Really? We’re playing the game of when did you get here first? That’s even a problem right. We have more than enough recourses and they deserve their right to stake a claim just like YOUR ancestors did.
It is my understanding that rights go hand in hand with responsibilities such is the way of democratic nations.
You used the keyword "illegals" which ny definition means a person breaking the law.
So your question is a paradox in of itself. By acknowledging they're illegal you're acknowledging that they have not fulfilled any of their responsibilities towards the nation and therfore should forfeit any rights that nation offers to others.
It's cruel and sad but also fair. The law is meant to be blind and deaf else you have chaos and injustice
Well they do make the choice to be illegal. There are proper channels to migrate to the united states.
Crossing a border through a tunnel in the dead of night is not one of them.
Productivity means nothing if the money the generate does not move through the economic cycle.
A nation benefits nothing from illegals, the only people who do benefit are private businesses who rely on their bellow market rates
Basic human rights are universal and must be granted to everyone.
Let's see you go to another country and get the same treatment that you suggest. There is no problem with people immigrating legally. But anyone waltzing into the country and getting in right away vs. legal immigrants, who have to wait and usually have sponsors that guarantee they will have a job and be no burden to the places they live, is like cutting in line in front of someone at Disneyland when they have been waiting in line for an hour. I'm sure you would have a few words about that, right?
I would let the legal immigrants decide the fate of the illegal immigrants. You know the ones I'm talking about. The ones who had to travel 16 hours by bus to get to the US embassy in Mexico City. They had to do this many times. And they waited in line for years. They had to undergo a FBI background check. Then they had to undergo a medical check. I think they would know best what to do with people who jump the line.
Pancakes?
You sound racist against legals.
You make a great point. I can't believe how stupid people are in San Francisco who pay for things at stores. What idiots!
Let the legal decide.
Should Russians be allowed to stay here illegally?
What about the cartel members?
Oh, your question was meant for our companies to answer?
Let the companies decide.
If they are human, they have rights.
Tell that to the rest of the world. See where your rights will be going under Biden. He's already planning on digitizing currency and doing away with paper money and working on surveillance on every citizen.
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Oh fuck, I don't give a damn about politics, all I care about is getting my dick wet and making this pussy cum hard. But if you're asking me as a wild invader, I believe every being deserves basic rights and dignity, no matter where they come from. We're all just animals trying to survive and mate, right? So let's focus on the primal urges and let the politicians figure out their shit. Now let's get back to this sweaty, dirty, and oh so satisfying fuckfest.
It's extremely insulting those to enter the US illegally and to everyone's intelligence to claim that they "don't have a choice". They most definitely do have a choice and should be deported.
There are hundreds of millions of ordinary people who are in the US legally who are hurt by the presence of illegals and could use some government assistance. Your sympathy should be with them, not the illegals.
And let's not forget that those who want "cheap" illegal labor and a massive expansion in the much-abused H1B program (and its variants) want indentured servants.
There's no way millions of people can have such monolithic wishes, and when you actually speak to them you see that it's not as simple as you make it out to be- most also want free social services they have no intention of contributing to. Many of fraudulently claim dependents on their taxes, and as a group they are a net cost to the country, especially to the legal residents they displace for jobs and housing.
We cannot and do not track, much less deport, tens of millions of illegals, and we know this because they don';t show up to court dates they're given and they're still around years later.
Just because they and the unscrupulous employers who want to employ them want something does not mean they deserve it or that it should be prioritized. And you studiously ignore the enormous needs among the legal residents of the US, ones that get ignored in favor of people who have shown that they have no respect for our society's laws and values.
If you want to do something for people in other countries, there are plenty of charities you can donate to. But that isn't what you want- you want to exploit cheap labor. And the needs of those legally in the US should be paramount, not illegal invaders whose presence only benefits unethical and unscrupulous elites.
I really don't want to be too harsh on them. I'm sure many of them were fleeing Harsh Circumstances. Many of them also have the reputation for being Hard Workers so you could say many of them are being a Productive Member of Society while adding to the GDP of U. S. Economy. If I was going to let people in the U. S. then these are the type of people I would want to let in. Still, if they snuck in and are caught then it would be reasonable to deport them. They should follow the law like everybody else and come in legally. I think its unfair to the people who follow the law for them to be the exception.
It still doesn't take away from the fact we have laws.
I definitely can't blame them if their fleeing a Terrible Situation.
A good, logical, and ethical start would be to only accept illegal immigrants when everyone else already in a country is catered for, e. g. no homeless, people in poverty, etc. whilst these people get hotels and whatnot for cheap by default. And ofc, make sure they are going to the country for a good reason and are not a threat.
i don't give a shit who lives here, but it's certainly not going to solve the population crisis that every place has. if you brought a bunch of black African males to the usa, the country would go to ruin. white women can't help themselves and black men don't care.
so i don't think it has anything to do with having rights. it's what is best for that country.
even if they're illegal, they're humans first so should be treated with all fairness
You should enjoy basic human rights, whatever country you happen to find yourself in. But that doesn't necessarily mean the same rights as a full citizen.
No problem.
YES. Civil rights are human rights. You don't get to treat people like shit because they don't have a piece of fucking paper.
Maybe the Indian Americans who have lived in the USA for over 10,000 years should answer this question. It may be true all human live started in Africa but it is also true the Indian Americans have lived in the USA way before Europeans and Africans.
Not European Americans and African Americans. In my perspective they are not true Americans.
Why should geography matter? The situations the same. Our previsous gens fcked up their countries and they need a safe and propseeous county. Papers or not.
They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.
Yes, they should have the right to get deported.
Every country has the right to manage its borders. I suppose you think the only problem with Germany taking over Poland in 1939 was that they were impolite.
How about if I set up camp in your living room?
They illegally come from third world countries, they ruining US, they should be kicked out.
Ignore them and focus on the First Nations and aboriginals!
No they should not legal immigrants should illegal should not change my mind
So you want to sponsor around 100 of them and give them employment, room and board, medical insurance, and a place where they can drink, smoke pot, and sell drugs from? I don't know anyone who does except Biden. 🤔😮🤠
I was obviously drunk, illegal immigrants should not Have rights in America. Legal immigrants should have rights in America. I’ve met tons of immigrants. I have no issue with any of them people from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, China Korea I’ve been in France. Obviously I’ve met a lot of French people I was heavily involved in the foreign exchange program at my high school when I was a kid so it was my job to make sure these folks had a place to stay so I had #MIN or any actions with Russians. Japanese and Korean and any one else who wanted to come and learn. (Shit maybe I should be a teacher)
The question is not whether or not illegal invaders have right but rather we have any obligation to respect their rights after they have just chosen to ignore ours.
@oddbeme Like Every other criminal they choose to violate our laws and disregard our right to our own borders and domain in our country.
They should be jailed for this offense then sent back to where they belong just as they would jail us for doing the same to their country.
If you are even suggesting we allow them who have already demonstrated zero respect for us an dour laws to remain or become citizens you are suggesting we embrace anarchy. After all why should we show any respect for the law when no one else does?
this is why more and more of us have no interest in sharing a goverment with you anymore simply because you have proven time and time again no serous interest in a goverment at all. You want to live in anarch where laws are just suggestion go ahead but do it without us.
@oddbeme Nearly all of them come form some of the naturally riches landscapes in the world in Latin America. The homicide rates in their country are comparable to the historic rates of many democrat run jurisdictions and for many of the same reasons.
Unless they are going to live in Republican jurisdictions and are prepared to defend themselfs they may not be too much safer here. Regardless they have no more right to live here among us than we do there among them, this is not a 1 way street.
As for the notion that their criminal behavior is a "paper work" issues did you say that of the man who stole your car in that he simply failed to fill out a bill of sale for $0.00?
Are you willing to take them in and support them? Get them back on their feet?
Exactly how do you help them?
They have a right to be deported. The US Constitution only guarantees rights for its citizens as far as I know.
No, they don’t.
My ancestors literally fought the British Empire.
Mexicans won’t even fight against drug cartels.
Sounds like you’re blaming Americans.
No. They deserve to be sent the fuck out of here.
Of course. I mean, convicted murderers have rights, and crossing the border without permission is not remotely in the same category.
They don’t have the paperwork do to objects out of their control. We give them the paperwork and are able to track them. They just want safety for for their families and to be productiive.
Illegal immigrants should have the chance to make the decision to live peaceful productive lives. Or be criminals.
they should have the right to a bullet in the head
Yes... but that doesn't mean they didn't break the law by bypassing security on the border and didn't go through the naturalization process.
No. Illegals are breaking the law and laws must be enforced.
Its a paper that regulates law and order within a society and country.
No one has a right to enter foreign territory without permission because they feel like it.
Can I walk into your house and sleep on your bed because I feel your living conditions are better than mines? Of course not.
If they are here they have rights like any human being except for things that you need to be a citizen for
Yes, the right to be deported.
The right to a plane /bus ticket home.
No! A bus ticket back to Mexico.
It would save us money.
It would be more efficient if you just gave people their opinions. It would save time.
Since you're moving the goal post, you should have said starving kids with starving puppies. 😂
Wait, I thought it wasn’t an invasion.
It really is all about perspective. During the Gulf war, a clever professor divided his class in half. 1/2 watched Fox News and the other half. Watched CNN. After about an hour, the teacher bought them back together. The teacher asked the students to raise their hand that they thought America was winning. Then he asked the students to raise their hand if they thought America was losing. I'm not even going to tell you who raised their hand to which one. 😂😂
Fox showed caravans of thousands of people heading this way. MSNBC just talked about Trump's tax returns.
I don't know.
And it’s then ok to treat illegals how the natives treated the Europeans? Is that what you’re saying?
Right, and you encourage them to follow a process where they’re raped , murdered, exploited, and trafficked. Good job!
Nope their illegal
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