Do you have to be either completely conservative or completely liberal in modern politics to have a discussion?

[BarryLiverstone]

Today I answered two gag political questions. When I answered someone who was conservative I was called ignorant and labeled a leftist. When I answered someone was liberal I was called a buffoon that trump wants.

Must you be 100% right or 100% left these days or are some people moderate in their political beliefs?

[God_of_Thunder]

People who are on the extreme ends of the spectrum, either left or right, are almost automatically guaranteed to label you a liberal/conservative if you disagree with even one of their opinions.

It's absolutely exhausting, trying to have a reasonable conversation about politics, anymore, but that's the kind of environment that politics has become. It's all become "us versus them" and "you're either with us, or against us".

That's a big part of what's wrong with the country, right now. There's no compromise. Our government represents liberals, conservatives, and everything in between, but the extreme wings want everything their way, at the expense of everyone else, because they only care about themselves.

[BarryLiverstone]

Yep you are right. Having a conversation and listening and learning the facts can be beneficial. But usually when someone starts defaulting to slander and insults and putting someone in a box that’s not good faith. Gaslighting and trolling seem to get more and more

[God_of_Thunder]

Yep, exactly.

Most of the time, people don't want to learn, anymore. They don't want to see the other side. They've got their opinion, and if you don't reinforce that opinion, you just get insults. They don't want a discussion; they want an echo chamber.

What's worse is that both sides do this; they constantly accuse the other side of doing it, and yet can't recognize the same qualities in themselves.

[NaultD]

As much as sitting on both hands gets done.

With the policies and law we make today will be written down as history and will define who we are as people. It's not about being a level headed person but to define a what a level headed person is.

As a left leaning person i don't believe we should hunt down and genocide homeless people or transgender people. The right clearly want to make a sport about it. What's being in the middle have to say?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ussCHoQttyQ

The zealot advocate will always be the people creating laws and power to change what is normal.

[BarryLiverstone]

You asked how a moderate would have a say on homelessness and trans? Probably that there are larger issues to focus on like the economy and freedoms. Let states come up with solutions for homelessness and let the feds get our economy moving again

[NaultD]

New Florida stimulus bill scalp bounty trans and homeless people for a $1000. That will get the economy up and running again. Hunt them down.

[NaultD]

Overtime this is how zealots create the standard moderate.

[BarryLiverstone]

Remember that you only lean left. Scalping for $1000 isn’t a very moderate perspective

[NaultD]

They are getting murdered in broad daylight like the choke hold in new york and Brianna Ghey murder where the police take a week to give a fuck.

I say that's pretty damn close.

[BarryLiverstone]

That’s horrible. I hate murder

[NaultD]

What's murder?

The right will say it's a righteous act. This is what we all need to do to make a balanced correct society.

Read the whole post again and understand what's going on.

[BarryLiverstone]

You said that Brianna Ghey was murdered and I said murder is horrible

[NaultD]

A right wing person killed her as if it was a righteous and justified. I his own mind was not murder but a public service. Florida makes a law for scalps as public services.

These are how laws are made. One courageous individual redefines tradition.

[BarryLiverstone]

Horrible, I hate murder

[NaultD]

You can either
A. Kill and scalp degenerates to be accepted by your neighbors.

B. Get scalp from your neighbors thinking public service is murder.

[BarryLiverstone]

Gotcha

[NaultD]

Got what?

[BarryLiverstone]

I read what you wrote

[msmissydc]

On gag that seems to be the case, somehow. You allways get pushed in one direction from the American spectrum here, even if you are something completly different that just doesn't seem to exists over there. I mean they only have two parties so that doesn't help.

In real political discussions that dont result in insults when one party doesn't know what to say anymore, that isn't the case. When you talk with people who actually know what they are talking about, its about input and arguments and not about winning against the other party. No one cares who you support policitcal, if you have an opinion you can support with actual arguments (even better sources).

[AmyHew1tt]

I don't think so. I'm between them, and I often wish someone would bring someone in the middle onto a talk show or a podcast just so I could see there are other people who share my opinions. They could also probably add some good substance as there are less extremes.

[mandyfire98]

Politics=hatred

That's what it has become. If you even try to talk politics you're going to get yelled at, screamed at, called horrible shit. It's the political climate now. Hatred and division.

[BarryLiverstone]

Which is very sad as politics is just about our society and how we relate as people. If we all hate each other then society fails. I tend to be an optimist and hope it’s the online culture of trolls that promotes hate and irl we can still love and protect each other

[mandyfire98]

Sadly I've witnessed it in real life.

[bota_selena]

I think both have pros and cons, can’t tell I am in one of it. If you’re conservative too much it’s not good or too much liberal it’s also not good

[BarryLiverstone]

Correct. Ether extreme seems like it’s dangerous.

[exitseven]

I am really a moderate conservative but democrats have gotten so crazy that it felt like I had to choose a side.

[BarryLiverstone]

in my opinion leftists are way out there. But most democrats are moderate and lean left

[exitseven]

that is probably true. unfortunately the press gives all the attention to the moonbats.

[BarryLiverstone]

Yep the press does that on both sides. It’s a money grab

[AngryCarl2]

I wouldn't say you're moderate. If you are it's a pretty clear indication of how extreme the American right has gone.

[exitseven]

@AngryCarl2 I used to be very moderate but it really seems that the country is headed in the wrong direction and it is getting worse by the day. There needs to be a serious course correction and we don;t have any time to waste.

[Anonymous]

Avoid political posts on this site. For the most part it is the same 5 to 10 trolls all jacking off to each other. No one takes any of them seriously.

[BarryLiverstone]

Is there a way to block anons? I’ve noticed several ask anon so like you say it’s best to avoid them. If blocked we wouldn’t even see their questions.

[linka_pat307]

I think talking about our opinions about politics won't change the fact , we are wasting our time just talking about things that won't change after being damaged

[NathanDavis]

I know exactly what you mean... and I would get called that all the time, lol...

[BeMuse]

Conservatives and Liberals are on the same team. Communists/Nazis are the opposition party.

[nateyoder23]

No there not. Your crazy. Liberals are more crazy and resort to violence and conservatives don't.

[BeMuse]

@nateyoder23 It doesn't matter how many accounts you make, you'll still be dumb at the end of the day.

[AngryCarl2]

Yeah, it's called polarization.

[BarryLiverstone]

So do you have to pick a side and go to the extreme?

[AngryCarl2]

No, only lazy or stupid people do that.

[BarryLiverstone]

Lots of lazy people here on gag then

[AngryCarl2]

Intellectually lazy, yes.

[Anonymous]

That’s why I don’t answer these questions