Opinion on Italy ditching gay pride month for family pride month?

[RyanEC]

Italy’s new Prime Ministry Georgia Meloni decided that June will be family pride month instead of gay pride month.

This makes sense to me because natural families are what keeps civilization and culture going. And because Italy has a low birth rate so it seems important to bolster it.

[lightbulb27]

I agree, glad to see it, is she available to sneak in the southern border and accept a posthumous US citizenship?

Families make socieites, not gay pride... although some gay people do. Credit to them, they have a right to their life, but back it down a bit.

I'm starting to think though..."gay" should take up weapons and such and seize some land, create their own country, kinda like isreal... just march in and take it and say "satan sent us", and they have a flag they can fight for. Maybe they steal a navy carrier, heck got Intrepid mothballed in NYC harbor, they can take that one... noone gonna try to stop them... whose gonna shoot at a bunch of gay people going woke woke? Barely have police as it is.

After 1 generation though, they will die out, so not sure it really pans out in the end...

There is Antarctica for the taking... sail in with walruses and penguins. It's yours... easier than taking Mars? Load up the carrier with lumber and build your houses. If ya really want a nation, that's what ya gotta do. Otherwise, take the flag down and use the one of your country... because a bunch of people paid a terrible price for that flag.

[BCA6010]

I'm still waiting to hear the justification for a very small minority of the population getting an entire month of arbitrary recognition just for existing in the first place, but I think this is overall a good idea. I'm not sure what Italy's primary schooling schedule looks like, but the month immediately after schools let out and going into vacation season is the best time for it.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Meanwhile soldiers who died in combat only get a single day’s recognition

[Siri137]

We need politicians like her where I live, and across the entire Western world. Instead we have "woke" idiots like Trudeau and Ardern, who deliberately set out to wreck their nations and turn them communist.

[RyanEC]

You live in New Zealand right?
At least Ardern is out even if her party is still in control.
I was surprised when she left because I though she was popular for taking credit for Covid not being too bad in New Zealand.

[Siri137]

When you lock people away in their own homes, effectively placing them in home detention, and force businesses to close and go under, saying that these measures helped to prevent the spread of a relatively mild infection, is rather disingenuous, don't you think?

[YesterdaysChild]

I applaud her. I don't think families have a day to celebrate. But they should.

[ShadezMcgee]

The only issue I see is now it is essentially censoring or dismissing gay rights and beliefs. Why not just make it a different month? All for the idea, but why not make a different month out of it. It looks more like retaliation against a particular group when doing it to an already established month.

[DextroShade]

Not being celebrated isn't the same thing as being censored.

[ShadezMcgee]

@DextroShade when you have a "gay pride month" that has been acknowledged and recognized and decide to overrule it with something else... yeah, I would call that censoring. This is literally taking away pride month and replacing it.

[DextroShade]

Pride month shouldn't even exist in the first place, because if being gay or Trans is just some accident of birth as they claim then it is pointless to be proud of it. Family is an achievement. Regardless, are Italian alphabet people forbidden from celebrating pride month or did the government just decide they would rather officially celebrate families instead?

[ShadezMcgee]

@DextroShade it isn't so much about pride as it is acceptance for not being shamed for their sexuality. That was the pride, not it being an achievement.

Now whether or not Italians are forbidding their people from celebrating the month in general is something I am not sure about, but I don't think that is the case. To go with that I believe families should be celebrated and promoted to have a month like I said in my initial statement. I feel they can do both which brings us back to the first thing I said. Why not use a different month and acknowledge it as a family month?

[Fuentes]

Gays shouldn't have even had a month. You don't think it's weird they have a month and Veterans have like one day? Lol they're not even a group of people it's a damn mental illness.

[ShadezMcgee]

@Fuentes it never made sense to me why certain groups get longer celebration over others. I do find it disheartening that veterans only get two days of acknowledgment (Veterans Day and Memorial) for the things they did and went through.

[EmmaMary]

Well at least some common sense has prevailed at last.

[FunkyMonkee]

Fine with me! Why do we even need a gay pride day? I don't know if they still do it but, when I was a kid, the local amusement park would have ethnic days every year!! Italian day, Polish day, Irish day, German day, etc.. Yet NONE of them EVER had ethnic pride days all over the city OR the country!! So, why do we need an an entire MONTH for gays? Especially now, since they get it ALL FUCKING YEAR LONG!!

[D_Bone_Steak]

I like it. Fuck all this gay, and child-humping stuff. I'd much rather see the family get celebrated than these degenerates.

I don't think any normal person is down with this sick twisted child loving stuff. It started with buttsex and now they're pushing for children. Draw the fucking line in the dirt already.

[Siri137]

Those pictures are REALLY disturbing, especially the one in the top right, where you can clearly see the boy's disgust on his face. That's the natural, normal reaction to such despicable deviance!

[D_Bone_Steak]

@Siri137 It's what's going on that most of us don't even realize is going on. Like I can mention drag queen story hour and most people know what I'm talking about, but if I mention the drag queen that was purposely showing their junk to kids... most people don't know. ... and the fucker got some jail time later for fucking with kids.

This eventually happens with every lefty movement. Take abortion for instance... the average normie is aware that the supreme court pushed it back to the states to deal with, but they are completely unaware that it was getting pushed to have already born kids killed (past 9 months) and have taxpayers pay for it.

You can imagine my shock trying to argue with one of these people how it's gone too far and they simply don't know what has been done thus far. It's like bike Karen... they know the story when the story lined up with their bias, but when the receipts came and yes... black man was trying to steal... their media STFU and they never learned anything different from the original narrative.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@Siri137 I can’t imagine living in NZ. I’ve heard its 10x worse

[Soteris]

Good way to ensure they are never re-elected I guess. Furthermore, it is irrelevant. Gay pride events does not need government support to exist. Overall, I think its a bad move both politically and morally. It is a sign of someone who probably dont understand politics quite frankly and should not be in a position of power.

[Siri137]

The Italian people support this move, so what's all this nonsense about it being a "good way to ensure they are never re-elected"?

[Avicenna]

@Siri137: In case you haven’t noticed, Soteris lives in a propaganda dreamland filled with narcissistic arrogance.

[Siri137]

@Avicenna In other words, he lives in Sweden.

[Avicenna]

@Siri137: Yes, one of those countries where people with an XY chromosome stand by and cheer while the people with XX chromosomes get assaulted and raped, then try to deny it ever happened.

[Soteris]

@Siri137 Well, its just pure math really. If we take a standard assumption that around 7% of people are homosexuals (at the low end) that means that the Italian government just alienated a minority the size of 7% of their voters. The problem for them however is that unlike black people or whatever, this minority is completely randomized.

That means it is much harder to suppress such as how Republicans in USA loves to gerrymander based on racial bias because they oppress racial minorities over there. You can't really do that with homosexuals since they are randomly placed around the society. It also means that unlike a racial group such as black people they are not concentrated into families meaning that unlike a black family where each member is black, a family with a homosexual has mostly straight people.

Without doing any math, we can then assume that every gay person has a mother, father and probably siblings if not even kids. This quickly starts to multiply into a very sizable group of people which are biased in favor of gay people because of their close family ties and therefore inherently becomes against the current Italian government.

Mathematically, they just made a whole bunch of enemies for themselves and what they got in return is.. nothing really. I mean, once again, pride month is primarily a community driven event so it does not rely on government support to be a thing. You just pissed off a major slice if your voters for literally no reason, good job Italy!

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Are you still going on about that debunked conspiracy theory regarding Swedish rape statistics? That was literally disproved like a decade ago. Get some new materials people, its boring disproving the same ol bullshit just because its the only thing you ever learned about Sweden even if its fake propaganda.

[Avicenna]

Thanks for the hearty laughs from your last two posts. You’re no good as a propagandist and you’re a weakling as a man (or what passes as one these days on some parts of Europe). I guess we can thank those cat ladies who neutered you. Pretending your country doesn’t have huge problems doesn’t make them go away. It’s not unique to Sweden, though.

Todays Sweden- worthless, weak and begging for US protection, mostly from those Republicans you arrogantly defame with BS. Grow some balls and defend yourselves and your women and children.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Oh please. Save me from a reality where you claim you actually know something about a country outside of USA, it is so cringe worthy.

Also, if I was actually desperate for American military protection then I would not come crawling to the GOP since they are literally the ones undermining and eroding your military. Never really understood where you Americans got the idea that the right wing was the pro military party.

[Avicenna]

Thanks for the further laughs. You are a parody of yourself.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Well that is nice, at least I have some human qualities. You on the other hand, is just a piece of human garbage. I mean seriously, what are you even doing here? You sure are desperate for my attention at this point.

[Avicenna]

I don’t think there’s anyone in the world that wants, much less needs, the “attention” of a deranged narcissist like yourself. But keep deceiving yourself- you’re just more of a laughingstock the more nonsense you utter. But you are a useful foil, since you amply and reliably display the dishonesty and lunacy of leftist propaganda.

And neither you nor your country could fight its way out of a wet palate bag. It takes a special kind of evil to cover up sexual assault and rape. I guess you just hate women that much. It’s sad and pathetic.

[Avicenna]

* wet paper bag

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Yet you can't deny the fact that here you are, yet again, wasting my time. Not to mention the fact that you have not even dared to point out a single falsehood in what I have said so far. I know you can't, but it sort of demonstrates which one of us is correct either way.

[Avicenna]

Get a life, Soteris. You obviously don’t think your worthless time is wasted here or you wouldn’t keep coming back snd trolling some more. I know a permanent dole recipient like you has nothing else to do, but it’s time for you to grow up.

Nor is anyone going to waste their time with your propaganda or rescuing you from your own stupidity and delusions. .

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Again, you are the one who came here. Also, I got plenty of things to do like for example right now I am going to enjoy a nice restaurant. Take care, and do at least try address what I said originally by the time I come back.

[Avicenna]

You mean you’re going to a food pantry for free food (I guess “nice restaurant” is an euphemism). Or maybe you’re dumpster-diving (some people do that in Germany).

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Dumpster diving? In Germany? You do realize that they have a good social safety net right? As in, you are never forced to dumpster dive. As opposed to America that is. I remember my visit to Nashville Tennessee vividly. Specifically how the beggers with their cardboard signs flanked my car as I was driving. How are you not ashamed of your country?

[Siri137]

Soteris, where did you get that seven percent figure from? It's more like one percent, with a whole host of wannabe queers who are narcissistic enough to not want to be left out of their parades.

[Avicenna]

@Siri137:, Soteris is known for making stuff up. His entire life is an alternate reality. Yet he thinks everyone else should disprove his wild claims rather than him proving them himself.

Soteris, just to show you how little you actually know about Germany, there is a significant amount of poverty here (and I know this because I’ve lived half of my life here and have relatives here). Is it common? Not that I’ve noticed, but I have seen dumpster diving in Berlin and Duisburg, and even in wealthy Munich, I’ve seen quite a few people fishing out plastic bottles from trash cans so they could return them for the deposits.

As for poverty in the US yes, there’s way too much of it, but why should I be ashamed of the effects of leftist policies I oppose? Don’t forget that those open borders policies you love import a lot off poverty and helps worsen or cause it among legal residents of the US.

There is a significant social welfare net in the US; however, some people don’t want to use it because it comes with rules (e. g., at homeless shelters) or they are trying to get money on the side. Mental illness and criminal records also play a part, unfortunately. But your problem is one of confirmation bias as well as naïveté.

[Soteris]

@Siri137 www.researchgate.net/.../301639075_Sexual_Orientation_Controversy_and_Science

I mostly just took the figure of 93.2% of men considering themselves as entirely hetrosexual and inverted it to get 6.8% being somewhere on the bisexual and homosexual spectrum which is fairly generous of me if I say so myself since I am personally of the opinion that these numbers are suppressed, in that people are not being honest with their own feelings but I digress.

Also worth pointing out that women are 86.8% entirely heterosexual so if we combined the male and female number we would get a much higher average, but again, I am being very conservative with my numbers because I do not need to argue for them being higher to still prove my point.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Ahahaha! USA has social safety nets? Oh please, tell me another joke!

Also, its not "leftist policies" that is the problem here. Poverty is not an economic problem but a social one but honestly, this is not even relevant anymore since not only does the Republicans not have social polices but quite frankly, you dont have any policies at all anymore. Thinking back to Donald Trump, I can't remember A SINGLE FUCKING POLICY he had. It was all just maga this and wall there. Nothing about how to actually run the country.

Because guess what? The GOP does not have any fucking policy anymore. Its just bullshit, all of it. So of course the country is going to fall apart if literally half your political spectrum dont have any policies on how to run the country.

[Siri137]

You wrote:
"I mostly just took the figure of 93.2% of men considering themselves as entirely heterosexual and inverted it to get 6.8% being somewhere on the bisexual and homosexual spectrum which is fairly generous of me if I say so myself since I am personally of the opinion that these numbers are suppressed, in that people are not being honest with their own feelings but I digress." - end
In other words, you're being extremely flexible with the truth here. Your "personal opinion" is not what anyone should be interested in, only the FACTS. When it comes to sexuality, there is no "spectrum"; if you're homosexual, then that's what you are, if you're bisexual, then you're that. Do you actually know what a spectrum is?
In any case, the source you use to try to prove your point isn't the most reliable or impartial, as I understand it.

[Soteris]

@Siri137 No, I am not being "extremely flexible with the truth here". First of all, even a spectrum is not really representative of the real world complexity when it comes to sexual attraction. It is however close enough to be useful in everyday conversation. Furthermore, I literally dont care what your opinion on this scientifically universally accepted fact is because it does not change anything.

93.2% of men considers themselves as "straight" by your definition and that means everyone else is something different and by your own definition and all of this is included within the umbrella of LGBTQ which the government in Italy just alienated. Which means 6.8% of men. Just like I said.

[Avicenna]

Soteris, believe it or not, you don’t know everything. And you clearly are so full of political bias that you won’t even listen to anyone else about anything. Whether it’s trolling or something else, you’re just talking BS. A few of us are simply too polite and keep communicating with you.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna Says the person who has never actually addressed anything I have ever said. Keep running from the arguments, maybe one day you will get back to it if the earth is round.

[Avicenna]

You’re like a small child with a big imagination who doesn’t listen. Someone off in his own little world, cheering rapists and then helping to cover it up.

Anyone who knows something about the US (which definitely doesn’t include you), knows the US has a welfare system. I’m told that even able bodied males are able to get some welfare these days, but I do know that the welfare system exists. It may be something different than what your country has, but it still exists.

You’re either wrong or way off about everything because you are biased, don’t listen or question your biases, are arrogant, and talk about things you simply don’t know about. You’re aEuropean far left but. They’re like that. I run into idiots like you all the time in Germany. They think they know better because they saw some propaganda piece in Tagesschau, Deutsche Welle, Spiegel, or somewhere else. You lack background knowledge to understand things, especially as regards the US.

Anyway, it’s interesting that there is a lot of poverty in Sweden:
amp.theguardian.com/.../sweden-has-a-poverty-problem-the-social-stores-offering-food-at-rock-bottom-prices

Propagandists tell us it doesn’t exist there……

[Soteris]

@Avicenna can't say its the smartest idea ever to continue to push the conspiracy theory that Sweden is the "rape capital" or whatever when I have literally explained to you that this is just a false narrative. It kinda just drives home how much of a loser you are that you can't even let go of something that has been demonstrably proven to be propaganda just because you at one point believed in it.

Also sure, I am not going to pretend that Sweden is perfect. Especially not after the right wing has gotten a resurgence and fucked with the politics of the situation and we have suffered back-to-back-to-back-to-back economic crisis because of USA being run by idiots. But the thing you are missing is that we are handling it. You are not. Even when Sweden is being strained to historical levels due to outside causes like Covid19 we are still far from reaching our breaking point. You, not so much.

There is a world of a difference between a system that works and one that has collapsed like yours.

[Avicenna]

You just can’t let go of your political bias. Who runs the US? The Democrats you worship and adore. As to your internal
politics in Sweden, I don’t follow it, but given your predilection for extreme partisanship and extreme political bias, it’s very unlikely that your partisan take on the situation is anywhere near accurate. But the blame for COVID lays with your beloved CCP rather than the fools in Washington.

Sweden did handle COVID much better than the US, but as I understand it, it’s because those in power listened to an epidemiologist who had developed a good model and gave it good inputs.

Your system has long been subsidized by the US (much as is the case in Germany and other wealthy EU nations). I’m actually a fan of some parts of the “Nordic model”, maybe even most of it. But different societies need different public policy.

[Soteris]

@Avicenna USA is a federation which means that the power of governance is divided. For example, right now the Republicans are controlling the house and almost pushed USA into a default because it was unable to perform its duties due to personal interests and internal strife. Another example is Senator Tommy Tuberville who has by himself stopped military promotions which has caused massive damages for the military just because he is upset about some policy in the pentagon regarding abortions.

At times like these its funny to see how you republican idiots struggle with the concept that USA is not a dictatorship. You dont get to do whatever you want just because you won the presidency or whatever and as long as one of the two political parties are literally sabotaging the country then shit is always going to suck no matter who has the majority control because there is always a million and one ways the minority can obstruct or sabotage the government.

Also why should I care about China in regards to Covid19? We needed a super power to step forward and deal with the pandemic, instead we got a child who stuck their fingers in his ears and pretended there was no such thing as covid19. Had USA been mature enough to leverage their resources and political power around the world we could have eradicated covid19 completely, yet here we are suffering from it still. As the saying goes, with power comes responsibility.

Also, no you have not subsidized us. If anything, Europe has been subsidizing USA. The economic prosperity that came after WW2 in USA came from Europe and at our expense. Now when that has been exhausted you are like a drug addict suffering from withdrawals and kicking up a hissyfit.

[WalnutButter]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/fcLj2CVC1VU

All this stupid "month" stuff should be gone.

[DarkLegacy]

A very good comment

[WalnutButter]

@DarkLegacy

Thanks. Get rid of it all.

[BCRanger10]

My opinion is...

[gorydetails]

Good for Italy. It's time for culture to promote decency, not degeneracy

[Tamera952]

Technically, civilization maybe …. but culture? I beg to differ on that one. I think it’s purely political & will have ZERO effect on Italy’s birth rate (I mean gimme a break). Why couldn’t they have both? They’re not mutually exclusive?

[Avicenna]

It’s about time a Western country other than Hungary did anything pro-family.

[Siri137]

Don't forget Poland. They're resisting this crap as well.

[Guanfei]

Good. Pride is nonsense now, it's used more to promote any trans crap and sexual practices in public than anything about rights.
It's been turned into a bullshit event to praise people who made up the most idiotic "sexualities".

[Anonymous]

I mean. It’s only gay pride month to gay people. I don’t give a fuck about if you are gay or not. Keep that shit to yourself and the gay people you want to fuck. I don’t care about the rainbow colored stuff the parades none of that. If you want me to not be annoyed by all the bullshit, keep it out of my face, social media, everything.

[Smashingdoozy]

I mean pride month isn't a government thing... They can't stop the pride month festivities from happening.

[RavVid]

I think there is not enough societal honor paid to families and a family pride month is a good idea.

I think it should exclude single parents. Doubtless there would be great howling and gnashing of teeth on that but it would be quite funny.

[slatyb]

The are only twelve months. She can June whatever she wants. Other people can still call it Gay Pride Month. Homosexuality is not the cause of Italy's low birth rate.

[DizzyDesii]

[misogynistic_pig]

Family month is another conservative bullshit made for submissive beta provider men and kept housewives. If she wants to increase the birth rate just make abortion illegal.

[RingOfFire]

Good for you Prime Minister Georgia Meloni !!! 👍👍👍

FINALLY someone in Europe bringing some SANITY back!

[RingOfFire]

You really have to shake your head.

Meloni said this:

"Yes to the natural family, no to the LGBT lobby, yes to sexual identity, no to gender ideology... no to Islamist violence, yes to secure borders, no to mass migration... no to big international finance... no to the bureaucrats of Brussels!"

And the press calls this "her far right political ideology."

If sanity is far right political ideology than you can count me in!

[Sirenboobzilla]

Not sure if simply switching what's being celebrated is going to help solve the low birth rates

[purplepoppy]

Scrap both. The problem with family pride month is it's just a way of rubbing it in the noses of those who don't have a family.