Can someone who's anti communist explain this?

[Buffotine1996]

I thought communism fails due to human nature then I found this.

[Anonymous]

Oh boy you’re so wrong it’s almost painful.

Number 1: They weren’t communists. They were a sect of Shia Muslims. Communist regimes are inherently opposed to organized religion. Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, and others in communist South American countries routinely attacked, imprisoned, disappeared, and murdered people of faith—be they Christians, Jews, or Muslims.

Number 2: Mecca was sacked by a Qarmatian leader, Abu Tahir al-Jannabi, outraging the Muslim world, particularly with their theft of the Black Stone and desecration of the Zamzam Well with corpses during the Hajj season of 930 CE. (Hmmm, not very peaceful are they? Seems like they are territorial expansionists. You know. Invaders and colonizers.)

Number 3: They were active from 899-1077. A period of 178 years. Hardly “enduring”.

Number 4: Considering that they were active over 1000 years ago, and that Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels did not write or publish “Das Kapital” (the foundational theoretical text for Marxism and Communism) I’d hardly call them “communists.”

Number 5: It smacks of desperation that you have to scour through the annals of shorty to find some obscure sect of people that didn’t even last for two centuries, and then try to appropriate their culture and history to justify your own failed political theory.

[Buffotine1996]

The people in the qarmatian empire literally didn't have to work and they could get interest free loans from the state to fix any of their life's problems, don't you wish we could have a state like this back? I bet you wish we did.

Also who wouldn't want to sack mecca and piss off the Muslims and desecrate their stones and kaaba? Right now I bet you the French would love to do exactly those things considering what they're currently doing in Paris right now.

[Opinion Owner]

Everyone has to work, pal. Everyone labors. Food does not just fall from the sky, crops don’t get planted by themselves, sheep don’t shear their own wool, and they damn sure don’t spin it into fabric. Or make clothes from it. Houses don’t build themselves, and irrigation ditches and wells for water don’t just appear by way of miracle.

Everyone works. Only commies think there is some magical way to get all of your needs met without breaking a sweat or getting callouses on your hands.

[Buffotine1996]

Citizens of the qarmatian empire didn't have to work a day in their lives in terms of manual labor, they had tens of thousands of slaves doing all that and again they can get free money from the government without paying it back, they were that rich.

[Opinion Owner]

@buffotine1996 Unsurprising. Communism has always made use of slave labor—except they just call them “counter-revolutionaries” or “criminals” and then they send them to Siberia to build a railroad. In the winter. With no shovel.

You’re only proving my own point, and refuting your own. Communism is a crap system. Capitalism may exploit people, but it doesn’t lock you up and send you to go work on a collective farm a thousand miles from where you were born at the point of a bayonet.

[Buffotine1996]

Was the United states prior to the Civil War communist since we used to have slavery? We still have slavery in the 13th amendment

[Opinion Owner]

Slavery in the United States was a fraction of the economy, practiced only in the South—not the North with its industries, factories, banks, and investors.

Let’s just write it all as a logical syllogism so yo can better understand:

Not all slave societies are communist but all communist societies have slaves. They just call them criminals or counter-revolutionaries then put them to heavy manual labor and drive them to an early grave.

Ancient Rome had a very large slave economy—far larger than the US. Were they commies? Nope. They had an empire, with rich senators, an emperor, and even corporations. You know. They wanted to make a profit.

[Buffotine1996]

Ok well the qarmatians basically had roman style slavery on steroids

[Opinion Owner]

Communists always turn people u to slaves. In order for communism to work you need every single person on board with the ideology, adopting it and practicing it, and believing in it. It does not allow for a diversity of opinions—it never has. It can’t. Since EVERYONE has to be the same, want the same things, and be satisfied with th same things.

This is impossible.

These people who won’t go along, or who even do something as simple as question the orders of their superiors, get labeled as counter-revolutionaries and criminals. They are trying to stop the great communist Utopia! I know, I know, the only cared and complained about how small their weekly bread ration was, but that means they don’t have faith in the system! They aren’t true believers! Why, they are just greedy capitalists!

Off to Siberia and with you! Get to work building a canal across the entire span of Russia. And get it done in less than two years. With big outside Helio or money from investors... because communism can do anything!

Yeah. Except keep millions from dying from its terrible policies.

[exitseven]

Communism only works with a government that has its boot on your neck. Evidently they have a big boot

[Christoff92]

Communist regimes don't really support theocratic relations.