https://news.yahoo.com/no-fingerprints-dna-sample-leads-143820987.html
Whether the Secret Service is lying or was told to lie, there is a lie here. Ordinarily I would not speak personally on these types of questions, but as a former Congressional staffer who has been in meetings at the West Wing of the White House and has been through that security process, the idea that the Secret Service cannot determine who left the cocaine behind does not pass the smell test.
Grant, that from security cameras alone, the WH probably could not determine who left the cocaine, but fingerprints and an extended investigation, at the very least, are required and this the Secret Service and the White House obviously don't want to do.
Throw in that it was revealed, in light of the discovery of the cocaine, that marijuana - which is illegal at the Federal level - was twice found in the White House last year. Throw in that after the WH Press Secretary said the First Family had not been in the White House all weekend - only to find out that they had been there most of the Friday of the weekend that the cocaine had been discovered. Throw in the President's stony silence on the issue. (Any other President would be demanding a full scale interview of each and every of the 500 people caught on video in that part of the WH that day.)
Put it all together and - honestly - this smells of cover-up. The obvious likely guilty part being Mr. Hunter Biden. The President's son has a history of drug addiction and criminal behavior. Grant that innocent until proven guilty is the rule - and it might all be an unfortunate coincidence that the appearance of illegal drugs at the WH is coincidental with the arrival of Mr. Biden and his family.
Still, were it not for the curiously silent President, there is no doubt that the investigation into this matter would last more than a week and go far deeper than the review of security tapes. As it is, the Secret Service basically spent a week on what must be judged, by the minimal time spent on it and the varying reports on where the drug was found, on a perfunctory investigation and then threw up its' collective arms and said, in effect, "Look mom, nothin' here."
Sorry. To repeat: As a former Congressional staffer who has been to the White House, that does not fly. The only conclusion that can be drawn is that the nation has elected a man with a son with a serious drug problem and who is, as a father, overindulgent as a parent and negligent when it comes to the law and national security.
Suffice to say, this reflects well on no one.
A fair point, though that being the case, that would almost give President Biden an incentive to investigate and reveal the cocaine user. After all, that person's credibility would be shredded - making anything he/she has to say against the President instantly questionable - and the President would be seen to be pursuing justice and following the law.
Grant, it would not necessarily work out that way. However, my hunch - and it is only that - is that the President is trying to protect his son.
You forget that having DNA or fingerprints is nothing if that DNA and those fingerprints aren't on file.
For instance, if __I__ had left the bag of cocaine, they would have identified me because, while I've never had my DNA checked, my fingerprints are on file - twice - first, from 1992, when I had to get a security clearance for a job and second, from 2018, when I applied for a Known Traveler Number with the Transportation Security Agency.
However, my wife has never been fingerprinted or had her DNA on file. If she had left the bag of cocaine, there would be no way to determine this.
>>>> Next time, think things through instead of being a conservative troll.
Fingerprints & DNA are important. Now you should think things through. Hunter is a drug user and is likely involved in selling influence. It is wholly reasonable that he will make more mistakes which land him in jail, booked, fingerprinted and having his DNA taken with a swab. The Big Guy won’t be there forever and once out of the White House others can probe the situation including any coverup. Your thoughts really are short sighted and not seeing how things will change. A Republican will definitely return to the White House and can even have testimonies from Secret Service and FBI as to what really happened. But we know. We know it is likely we are being lied to… again. So many lies that it has destroyed confidence in the government. Try to think things through as you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
I am not debating that DNA and fingerprints are important. They are - certainly so for forensics.
But, without a baseline for comparison, then you don't have squat.
This is what I asserted earlier.
Had I committed this crime, I'd have been caught because my fingerprints are on file twice with the Federal Government.
Had my wife committed this crime, she would not be caught because her fingerprints are not on file with the Federal Government. Sure, they'd have her DNA and fingerprints on the bag, but they wouldn't know it was hers because, when they run a comparison test, there would be no returns from their databases.
This is why I am a tad irked about this question; there was no option for likely what really happened: a person whose fingerprints and DNA are not "in the system" left that cocaine bag.
If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd suggest it was planted by a GOP-friendly operative to create anti-Biden drama. That would be a new low that I haven't seen since Swift Boaters and, worse, Lee Atwater in 1989.
The baseline comparison would be if the baggy wasn’t wiped clean of DNA and fingerprints. Why wouldn’t there be DNA on the baggy I ask myself. It was handled and cells are likely there but what if someone wiped it clean. Would a drug user do that? I don’t think they would.
I think they were careless and left it in the library. So who then wiped it clean? And why would they? That answer points to the Bidens. As an American I expect a transparent government and President. Why wasn’t the media involved early on? Why was the location of the find changed multiple times? Why was there a long delay in getting information out?
There should have been DNA on the baggy if not a fingerprint. Hunter Bidens whereabouts should be reported. We should have the videos to show who was in the area, was it Hunter at any time? But they don’t say that or share that evidence with anyone… AND the videos will be destroyed or altered, mark my words.
If the DNA was obtained then it would be the baseline and would rule Hunter out. The FBI could certainly get a used coffee cup or cigarette from this clod later on if they wanted to do their job. Now more damage to the governments credibility has been created. No one believes the government anymore and it’s the handling of things like this that make that happen. Hillary lost because the country felt she was a liar. Joe sucks too.
Alright, I am afraid that you don't understand.
The authorities need to have people's DNA and/or fingerprints on file - that is, in a database - so that they can compare with whatever is in on the evidence.
Whatever DNA or fingerprints are collected from the evidence is then compared against these databases. If there is no match, then that means that the perpetrator does not have their DNA and fingerprints in these databases.
It's just that simple.
It's not rocket science. (I know - I did rocket science 30 years ago.)
I am muting this question because I can't make it any clearer.
You don’t understand but perhaps that’s just on purpose. Just read what I said:
They could have the baggy DNA (baseline) and then get his DNA! Like they JUST did to catch a serial killer in New York by getting it off of a discarded crust of pizza:
nypost.com/.../
And as long as we are having a pissing contest, I spent my career in the Fortune 500 as an Executive, most of it in the Corporate Headquarters buildings of multiple large companies where the average intelligence doesn’t even get in the door much less thrive.
oh the shock (sarcasm) i called if over a week ago when someone posted on here, so they might as well just blame charlie sheen as i said lol
they are half right, can't publicly determine who left it..
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nevermind that no one in the biden family was in town at the time
nevermind it was found in a public space that is highly trafficked.
it obviously is some conspiracy... it's sort of a shame how much so many in this country have been gaslit to the point they are completely detached from reality
Perhaps you are right. But what is certain is that more than half of the nation does not trust government. That’s staggering. It was 54% that didn’t not trust government last year ( I just validated that). I understand that number has gone up. We are not gaslit, we have been lied to many, many times and we now go into a new situation like this expecting to be lied to. I just don’t believe a word they say anymore and 25 years ago, I was pretty much the opposite.
this isn't about trusting the government though. i agree that trust of the government is low (across the political spectrum) but this is a clear situation where news media and bloggers are informing POV rather than our own sense of logic.
why would hunter biden leave coke in a public space? how did he do it if he wasn't even in town?
it seems too many are operating on confirmation bias. if you believe biden lies, is corrupt, his son is a irresponsible junkie, etc, etc, then we just take this moment and fill in the blank right? We should always allow our rational brain to step and ask the critical questions and disregard our bias reporting or bias in our head
but again i agree and feel similarly that i don't trust government that much (dems or repubs)
“why would hunter biden leave coke in a public space?” For the same reason he left a laptop with incriminating pictures and emails of it… he is an irresponsible junkie using your words. And I do believe the Bidens are indeed corrupt. The cocaine thing is small potatoes compared to the rest.
Ummm it was not in a public space. Who's the one detached from reality?
What the fuck don't the Biden's leave behind? Illegal hand guns, laptops, diaries, classified documents, unpaid taxes, CHILDREN and of course, the authorities sweep it all under the rug. I just don't understand why the president, of the US, isn't outraged that coke was found in his (the people's home) and they have no clue who brought it. It also appears that pot was brought in on 2 separate occasions in 2022.
@Karen444 no there weren't. they were at the beach. the location changes twice. the first report did not come from the secret service or white house though so it was purely speculative.
TRY AND KEEP UP KAREN
the laptop was left in the white house? or it wasn't. so we can move on
No, the laptop wasn’t left in the White House. If you don’t know it’s history, then you are just too uninformed to even have a conversation with. It was an example of just how dumb and careless Hunter is since you asked why he would do leave Coke… which is he is a careless, thoughtless idiot who should be in jail.
the point was a laptop found a computer shop is a far cry from cocaine in the white house.
it's rational to think someone may eff up and leave the laptop at a computer shop but it would be utterly ludicrous for a person with the spotlight on him and knowing a political party is just waiting to eff up to bring cocaine into let alone leave it in the white house
@madhatters4 Far cry? No, it’s consistent for him to bring Cocaine to the White House. First, he is probably addicted so he needs it and he therefor needs to bring it with him. Second, the drugs are making him reckless. Third, he isn’t that smart to begin with… he just has a rich (which he shouldn’t be as it’s pay to play money), powerful Dad. And lastly, he is arrogant and thinks he can do anything without consequences… thanks, dad.
it's obviously a lie and a cover up. The cameras there can determine who farted by detecting the slight outward movement of a person's pants when they let one rip. No chance they couldn't see a bag of drugs. But it's the same shit they pulled when "someone" left "bombs" outside the Democrat offices during the "insurrection" and they claimed they couldn't see who did it on camera. Truth is, they don't WANT to see who did it, because they know who did it and they're protecting who did it.
they are obviously lying for the Bidens just like everyone else.
Imagine how it would of been if they found it when Trump was there?
Yeah cause here in America if you’re a democrat you can get away with anything
It's interesting that they say there are no cameras in the area where the bag was found. I would have guessed tgst every square inch of the White House has video coverage.
Of course not. The real question, though, is who makes federal law enforcement cover repeatedly for the Biden Crime Family?
If a small bag of cocaine in a high traveled area then it's possible they aren't lying.
I suspect someone purposely drooped that bag of cocaine to make Biden or son his who has a drug problem look bad.
Or is also possible the White House just has some dope heads that work there and one dropped it accidentally.
Somehow I can not believe that anyone using drugs would be wearing gloves to keep from being identified with fingerprints!
Hunter is living proof that drugs don’t make you that smart’
Oh no. I can’t even think who would they even suspect first to be doing cocaine in the White House? Maybe they should start putting cameras in there? Or keep a log of who goes in and out of there?
Or did they 🤔
There’s no area of the White House that isn’t monitored, except maybe the restroom, and that may be monitored as well.
“Just let them have their UFO hearings and they’ll forget about the whole thing. Maybe throw more federal charges at Trump too - like something January 6th related”
-White House Employee
Like I said earlier. Hunter is so reckless and stupid he will likely casually admit to doing this in the near future.
@Karen444 it’s actually sad that he was born into wealth and special privilege. He might of have taken responsibility for his live if he grew up with modest circumstances.
But the biggest issue about him is if daddy had involvement with his corrupt bs. Joe Biden already lied denying any knowledge about it. The connections keep getting more and more damning.
While Trump is anything from perfect the left spent years acting deranged over the Mueller investigation. It was in the news non stop and costed taxpayers millions of dollars. NOTHING came out of it. Nothing.
Joe Biden deserves the exact same scrutiny inch by inch. The evidence against him is much stronger too.
@Karen444 he’s literally a walking corpse. And his policy has harmed EVERYONE (hyperinflation) including liberals. But many of them are so stupid they will still vote for him. Especially if he’s running against Trump.
I wasn’t a huge fan of Trump’s personality but talk is cheap. He had good POLICY and policy is what really matters.
that sure was fast. they don't want to know...
Sorry, we can't say anything negative about members of your democrat party or the mods and admins, (A. K. A. the woke police), will erase this question.
All we have to do is tell them someone left it there on Jan. 6th and they'll do everything in their power to find out who it was!!
I don't care. This is just a political stunt. I wouldn't be surprised if every president had cocaine in the White House, GOP or Democrat. They've all had coke. I really don't care.
You really want to focus on coke in the White House when inflation is out of control, rent is too damn high, labor shortage and a bunch of other serious issues?
Cocaine in the white house is a serious issue? I guess my sky high rent and food bills will have to wait until we can solve your super important cocaine issue.
you forgot the lizard men and aliens at area 51
I'm not the one with crazy conspiracy theories.
Hmmm. Looks like others in the know, like a gay democrat IRS agent are pulling things like this into the light. I believe Biden is corrupt and so do tens of millions of others at the least. The polls say so as well.
nypost.com/.../
the number of Americans who believe in angels, demons and the election was stolen is also high. People are idiots who will believe anything and their beliefs prove nothing to me.
D: Law enforcement doesn't want to waste serious resources on a personal amount of cocaine that's not a threat to anyone in the White House.
The coverup is the issue and if its not a coverup then the complete lack of transparency is an issue as it erodes/destroys trust when there really isn't much trust to begin with. Its about something bigger than the cocaine its about our leader lying and coercing the Secret Service and FBI to lie in my and tens of millions of others’ opinion.
That emoji was meant to be option D. There are hundreds if not thousands of people in the White House at any given time. That weekend, that didn't include the Bidens. But I'm sure you're certain it was Hunter Biden (currently undergoing regular drug monitoring as part of his plea deal).
It was first reported in the Library… anyway, now the IRS is under scrutiny for interfering in the investigation by IRS Agents.
www.nbcnews.com/.../irs-whistleblowers-testify-house-oversight-committee-hunter-biden-prob-rcna95078
All this while actual investigators are prohibited from commenting; the court date is 26 July, after which they should be able to add to what they said before, which was that they weren't interfered with. (I might have made a mistake earlier; I guess the drug monitoring will start after July 26, but since tests can detect cocaine in a person's hair for months, he'd be remarkably stupid to be using now.)
" Weiss added that he would not provide the committee with additional information about the Hunter Biden case while it is being prosecuted. Hunter Biden is set to formally plead guilty in federal court in Delaware on July 26.
“At this juncture, I am required to protect confidential law enforcement information and deliberative communications related to the case,” Weiss wrote to the committee. “Thus, I will not provide specific information related to the Hunter Biden investigation at this time.” "
edition.cnn.com/.../index.html
It's almost as if Republicans know that they can get headlines now that can't legally be contradicted. In two weeks time, they'll be silent on the matter.
Classic example of "we have investigated ourselves and found that we did nothing wrong".
Donald Trump snorted Adderall for four years in the White House and Don Junior snorted cocaine for four years in the White House.
this entire article details proof of her claim: www.pbs.org/.../read-the-full-trump-indictment-on-mishandling-of-classified-documents
I've never thought of the Secret Service as being incompetent, but frankly this makes me fear for the safety of the First Family.
The secret service is lying for the Bidens, and the truth will never be discovered because it was turned over to the FBI.
The lying sacks of human excrement are lying to keep the bidens out of prison.
No. It’s pretty tough to fix responsibility for ownership when shit is found in a common area.
If it was in a public area. At first they claimed it was in the White House library, then the West Wing (the business offices of the WH) and then in a public area. Then no DNA, fingerprints or even video in a place that has a huge amount of surveillance. On top of that a known drug user came to the house with special access.
It was in an area accessed by hundreds of visitors who entered the West Wing that weekend for tours. Since it was a common access area and Snoop Dogg was not in the building, they were unable to identify the individual (s) responsible. I look at it this way, the White House could have easily squelched any info about finding cocaine since USSS found it during a routine security check, but didn't. But hey, people are going to believe whatever they want.
Whatever you say...
Lol I don't think Hunter Biden has to go through the same entrance as the peons, but whatever you want to believe go right ahead.
You are right. He would have had special access to hang out say… in the library. Face it, they moved the location albeit clumsily as they took to long and then put it in the West Wing and finally after some thought put it in a public place so idiots could say… but, but public space.
Interesting theory, but I think you give the Biden family and administration too much credit. They aren't that smart.
Well whatever the theory, the investigation has been closed since authorities due to lack of evidence tying the dope to anyone so it's now a nothingburger. Getting dope into the White House isn't a tough one, since Snoop Dogg not only bragged about getting it in, but he also bragged about smoking it in one of the restrooms. What an idiot.
3.5 seconds after the trade towers were hit, they knew who did it. We all know whose coke it was.
More likely its a police mattet that doesn't fall under their jurisdiction.
I love this maga supporters questions, you guys see a plot everywhere
Let’s see here, cocaine found in the White House which hasn’t been before. Hunter Biden is going to the White House. Hunter is a known drug user. And then voilà, cocaine shows up. The investigation finds no DNA, no fingerprints and nothing on video surveillance and the Secret Service and FBI have no credibility… we just don’t believe them anymore.
Imagine how you libturds would've reacted if Trump was president at the time.
@JoeMichael67 As for me, I would have said the same thing. I've never been one of those liberals who scream foul of everything Trump did. I found some of his actions positive, many negative, some scandalous and illegal, but when, for example, there was the phrase about injecting himself with disinfectant for which he was criticized by many, I have always defended him by saying that it was an inappropriate joke, but still a joke. And in 2016 I didn't vote for him or Hillary because she's really corrupt. In 2020 voted for Biden due to lack of better alternatives, he is certainly not my favorite president but we must be correct, otherwise the nation will be divided over nothing. You caught the wrong person
Nobody cares except petty conservatives. Care to comment on Trump's crimes?
Perhaps not yet, time will tell. And you can indict a ham sandwich which was famously said. The first time though they couldn’t even indict Trump. Biden and the Democrats are clearly corrupt. Nothing changes that. They are playing the system which has the American people losing faith in them… the polls show this. Your indictment is worthless.
😪 idont care
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