What outdated social customs should we as society get rid of?

[mandyfire98]

[ohsheeT]

There's a lot of outdated ones but there's a lot of new ones too that just are so freaking silly I don't understand them I don't get it

Whether you're going to date somebody whether your friends with somebody whether you're in a relationship with somebody if you see that they need help help them if you ask somebody to go out to dinner with you because you like them because they're your friend because they're your girlfriend or your wife what is so hard about paying the bill why does that have to be so difficult between anybody if I ask somebody out I'm going to pay for it if they asked me out I'm going to pay for it

If I'm in a relationship of any sort in the person lives with me that's the only title I want them to have lives with me lol they don't have to clean the house they don't have to do the dishes they don't need any other titles if they believe in something they don't need to have a title I don't care I don't want to hear it about the left wing the right way that's Thanksgiving talk

If there's a mess in the house and you're there pick it up I mean it's nobody's job except for the person that did it but things happen I don't mind picking up any mess out of my back and then I don't mind mowing the lawn I like keeping things simple

If a woman wants a man's job go for it you don't have to open your mouth just prove that you can do it show everybody you can do it and I will back your play 100% you do deserve as much money as guys do but don't try to act like a guy because it's not going to get you anywhere look at the women that have gone up in this world it's because they do their job they keep their mouth shut and they prove to their higher-ups that they're loyal they can do the job and they deserve exactly what a man gets they don't get on the radio they don't get in other people's faces we deserve this we deserve that no they did it on their own with Grace with dignity with a brain

If you have children and you see that child struggling with something I don't care if you're the man or the woman help that child teach that child if the kid has a dirty diaper change the freaking diaper how would you like to sit in it that long

Married couple if you get home before the other one start dinner you don't have to sit your fat ass on the couch and watch TV until your spouse gets home to let them do it
Yes I'm talking about guys they're not a f****** cook learn how to run bath water for your kid for your spouse or your girlfriend give her a break

As soon as I said that I could hear some guy say what about me what about us run your own f****** bath water put your own bubbles in it

That's the least you could do if you can't please her in bed if you're only thinking of yourself

People are walking away from relationships because they're too hard is what they say they're not too hard it's just everybody's too lazy everybody's too selfish

I think I'm just old school
If I go out any place with a girl and I like that girl why would I make her pay anything I'm trying to tell her I like her and that I'm capable of taking care of her

For all the guys that complain and b**** and moan about they want the girl to pay their half

Don't go out with a girl if you can't afford it it's that simple that way you don't have to b**** and loan

If you have to argue about anything to do with common sense or manual labor are doing the right thing to help your partner to help your friend to help your spouse out don't hang around with them stay at home where you belong that way you don't have to b**** in moan

I've been on my own for lots of years and people nowadays embarrass me LOL I should say l m a o totally embarrass me over the littlest things

So for me I took the long way the long answer again it
And it probably has nothing to do with your question how about just common sense how about that that's about the only answer I can come up with

[Lliam]

The idea that men are superior to women in all things. It leads to a lot of disrespect toward women and makes some men feel emasculated when they are bested by a woman.

[mandyfire98]

Agreed. This also causes massive insecurity and men will lash out and become violent sometimes if they feel "disrespected" by someone they view as beneath them.

[Lliam]

Thanks for the MHO, Mandy. :-)

[crystalline0909]

Carrying father's surname. Person is said to be the extended bloodline of father not mother in the patriarchal society.
Mothers have equally even contribution as of fathers in the genetic production of an individual. Yet no-one ever says they are carrying the mother's surname or family name.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

My mom hyphenated. So she still has her last name. Just with my dads last name, hyphenated. I don't hyphenate, though. I don't want kids, even though I'm an only child. My dads last name, will likely die, with me

[crystalline0909]

U r your mother's son and you don't have her last name. That is the whole point here. Your mother died change her surname that's different but she is carrying her father's name and your are carrying your father's name. Regardless the bloodline ends or not.

[crystalline0909]

Didn't*

[Jersey2]

With the father’s surname intact, people can trace back hundreds of years. Breaking that chain is not a great idea. Anyway, a family should have one last name and there is no reason to change it now other than it pisses off ultra feminists.

[crystalline0909]

I'm not am ultra feminist. I just called out a social norm liked it was asked in question. Why can't people be traced back from hundreds of years from mother's bloodline.

[Jersey2]

The mother passes on mitochondrial dna which doesn’t allow for the tracking. It’s beyond me but here is an article of the basics. If you wanted to see which country or perhaps even city your ancestors come from you would need your father or brother to take the test. Most mothers simply make the decision to use the fathers as there is no real need to change the tradition and one spouse has to change their name for one family name. Hers has been changed through the millennium anyway it doesn’t carry the same meaning. I know what city my ancestors are from and I know the original spelling of the name. Now my children know as well, even my daughter.

support.ancestry.com/.../Y-DNA-mtDNA-and-Autosomal-DNA-Tests

[crystalline0909]

Mitrochondrial dna is only in females therefore allows tracking female descendants.
Y-chromosome dna is only found in men so it allows tracking of make defendants.

So the questions remains the same why can't anyone carry mother's surname.
Ofc history as witnessed male supremacy. But why not is my question?

[LiamJHayden]

So the maternal grandfather's surname instead?

[crystalline0909]

Maternal grandmother, maternal great grand mother, maternal great great grand mother... fore mothers!..

Ofc this gonna take time as we all know through history.

Only possible in matriarchal society.

I'm not some psedu feminist. Equality to all seems more fair but it's just an observation.

[Jersey2]

The Mitochondrial doesn’t carry the information needed, it’s not a exact copy like Y DNA. Add in centuries of using the same last name and it is a good way to trace lineage.

[gothbxtch]

oh, a lot!!

father’s names being the only ones passed down, as someone else said. women being expected to cater to men. unnecessarily gendered words (“girly drinks”, “be a man”, etc.). men being expected to not cry.

[gothbxtch]

thank you

[9214xs]

You could probably add in different salaries based on gender.

[gothbxtch]

@9214xs yes TOTALLY wage gap!!

[9214xs]

To me it should simply be based on experience. If you got two managers, one has 20 years experience and the other has two, the one with more should getting better pay regardless of their gender.

[slatyb]

@9214xs Experience is overrated. After about two years experience it mostly comes down to general intelligence.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Just generally being OK with being fucked by the government. It's kinda a new thing if you really think about it but pay has gone up 20% in the amount of time the cost of living went up over 300% why are we just... Cool with that?

And what about what's being taught in schools right now. I think we all pretty much understand it's all propaganda at this point. I mean, they come out of school knowing more about CNN talking points than about math, or a trade or writing or history or of course, finances.

You know people used to just know what the difference between centralized and decentralized banking? It was common knowledge.

We'd all fight against eachother about things we'd realize most people actually see fairly eye to eye on if you stopped to get to know someone and open your heart to them before saying, "wait a minute, why can't I afford anything? Why is everything unfair? Why do i constantly feel like I'm at a job?"

Also, why is asking questions not a thing anymore? Does everyone think they know everything or are wale as a society so afraid of any kind of failure, questions are taboo now?

You want a properly old one? Let's stop arguing about things that make us different. Because the only people who win when the common people act this way, are the politicians and super rich. Seriously, every time you don't have a conversation with somebody about a disagreement or decide to be petty about one and oust them. You're not taking some ritgious high-road, you're putting money into the pockets of the same people who stopped the keystone pipeline so oil could continue to be shipped right across the great reef.

[kylee2437]

“Be respectful to your elders” it is insinuating that no matter how many times an older person has disrespected or talked down to me, I still have to be respectful because I am the inferior one since I’m younger

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I am respectful not because I am younger, but because I stand to gain a lot of things from them.

[kylee2437]

@the_shadow_dweller they’re some elders that can teach a thing or two, but some also haven’t figured out a sense of politeness in their years alive and it’s honestly stressful to witness

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

I was not talking about life lessons. I am talking about money, property, investments, inheritance.
Be good to them because they have such things.
My approach is completely a practical one with little to no emotions. But you can add whatever you like.👍

[kylee2437]

@the_shadow_dweller not every elder has that figured out but to each their own

[The_Shadow_Dweller]

Yes you are right.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Elders have to gain my respect. Respect is earned not given

[kylee2437]

@butthurrGAGpeoole1 right but it’s a rule majority of population has passed down because society told them to do so

[Provingdatruth]

No one gives a damn about whether some is older or not.

[kylee2437]

@provingdatruth this is a real tradition people used to stand by

[Provingdatruth]

@kylee2437 Exactly. Just like what I said, no one gives a damn about that tradition now.

[kylee2437]

@provingdatruth some elders still expect respect after they act like Karen’s so I don’t agree

[9214xs]

Respect should be earned not handed out so I agree. Just because someone’s young doesn’t mean they’re stupid and just because they’re old doesn’t mean they’re smart. Old people are often entitled.

[Billlewis]

This antiquated notion that men should be regarded as the leaders in society and in the household.

[nolabels]

I find the prudish U. S. attitude towards public nudity to be quite irksome.

The people that I know of who hold that view all have visions of naked people attacking them like hordes of zombies might do.

Ridiculous.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I don't squash your dreams, don't you squash mine :P

[nolabels]

@BoopBoopBeep
Hey man, am I squashing your dreams?
If so, it's not intentionally.

Am I not catching your drift?

😊👍

[BoopBoopBeep]

My zombie fetish :P If it's not going to happen what did i buy all this fake blood for?

I hope it's fake. I ordered it from overseas...

[nolabels]

@BoopBoopBeep
Lol.

Ok.

I was concerned that I had offended you in some way.

Cool.

[BoopBoopBeep]

nah brother we're good always

[Gochogirl]

Book banning. For one it just brings more attention to the books and the people who want to read it will just buy it themselves anyway. And also, it's just ridiculous to teach children you can make the bad stuff go away by pretending it doesn't exist.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

That's how republicucks feel about guns. If you try to ban them, they'll just try and get them more and more

[NathanDavis]

waste... so much waste in the sake of convenience and progress, consumption...

we produce just so much of everything, and in turn bring all that waste...

[B4851]

No elbows on the table.

There was actually a practical reason for it centuries ago, but it's not an issue anymore.

[slatyb]

It's like man-spreading at the table. It's an issue if you are sitting next to another diner.

[Jersey2]

What reason?

[Jersey2]

Oh, I see

[LordOfThePines]

Slut shaming. Sex is sex, it's an expression of love and affection. It does NOT matter how many people that may entail. One should not be shamed for expressing love, or even for simply enjoying themselves.

[JackCarter]

Woman having to take the husband's surname...

[Christoff92]

Going to agree with other GAG members and say Father's surname. Because we are bonded with both the Father and Mother's family bloodline.

[Agape93]

Tipping
Gender norms
Detrimental politeness

[BoopBoopBeep]

Alimony. You're not in traction. You can work.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

I have a friend who was recently divorced, but was also not workin because of the pandemic, she was getting my on alimony because she also has two kids. He owed her money, basically. However, she no longer gets either alimony or child support, as she got full custody, thank god

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 Child support I get if the parent can't be there (working overseas etc), but custody split 50/50 (like the creation of that child was) makes child support irrelevant. You pay when he/she's with you, I do with me, we split soccer/piano/shequan/ballet lessons down the middle.

Alimony, which is just for the ex spouse is utter garbage. No prenupt no ring.

[slatyb]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 Who got custody? If she got custody he would be liable for child support and possibly also for alimony depending on the circumstances.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

@slatyb She has full custody. She doesn't want his child support or alimony

And boop, you can't just assume a marriage is going to fail. If you go into marriage like that, you'll remain single, forever

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 I don't assume my car is going to wreck but I wear a seat belt. I don't assume I'm going to die today but I have life insurance. I don't assume I'm going to the hospital today but I have health insurance.

I'm not assuming anything is going to fail, I'm being a responsible adult who is securing assets built up long before another person entered the picture. Of all the women I've been close to, not one has balked at the discussion of a prenupt, and I have that conversation REAL early.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

I know lots of people who don't have insurance these days, and don't wear their seat belts, etc.. just because you do, doesn't mean EVERYONE does

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 Very astute of you. Yes, there are people out there who do things differently. A great many people in LA defecate in the street. I'll stick with my indoor plumbing, thanks.

You're talking about people who by your own admission, don't wear seat belts of have insurance. I'd say this history of bad decision making probably also means they don't have many assets to protect.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Or they're just extra careful

People who have "insurance" tend to be less careful

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

You're not going to win this argument dude. You lose

[BoopBoopBeep]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 Haha, that's not the consensus here old chap. You lost it before I could try.

[slatyb]

Alimony is reasonably if one partner have up their career to support the other in some way, or have you substantial resources to invest in there others career. Example: on partner works while the other and law school or medical school. The partner that paid the tuition is reasonably entitled to some part of the other's future earnings. Or a partner who stops working to raise the children, reducing their future market wages.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@slatyb Then those choices should be decided ahead of time, negotiated from positions of amicability, not decided arbitrarily by a court. "I put you through law school you give me 5% of your gross for life"... that's an easy contract. Same as wills and prenups, living wills, trusts, countless other examples. Ounce of prevention, and whatnot.

[slatyb]

But people don't do that. If there are considerable joint assets then the court can provide equity through asset division. They will award alimony when it's the only way to provide all equitable figure for both partners.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@slatyb "when it's the only way to provide"... no they award it because men just get f'ed

People don't wear their seatbelts they die in a crash. Don't put a seat belt on your assets, THEY die in a crash.

One of many reasons I would never have considerable joint assets not contained within a business enterprise and governed by the articles of incorporation or other similar document

[Jazzy54]

Not talking about family issues outside of the family. 🙄

[LiamJHayden]

Not sure, as I currently do not give much notice to what society expects.

[Dat-Alpha-Lion]

Opening the door for ladies. They can do it themselves.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

It's just a nice thing to do. Has nothing to do with women or men. I hold it open, if they're within a foot or so of me. If they're still at their car, I won't

[kylee2437]

Opening the door for everyone should be common courtesy. I open the door and hold the door open for men. Having manners is important

[9214xs]

Asking for permission to marry a women, she’s not an object.

[SoJust]

Well, we have to make our society from scratch from the very beginning

[CaptainSmartass]

Politics & wokery.

Simples...

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

So you're saying people shouldn't be politically correct, simply because you want to be able to be a douchebag?

[slatyb]

If there are more than two people in a room, there will be politics.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

@slatyb Always

[CaptainSmartass]

@slatyb I mean like the house of commons. We should ban the house of commons.

[Sparkie460]

That's a really good question. I have to think about that.

[Sparkie460]

How about we go back to physically repramanding children who are being disrespectful

[slatyb]

How about we treat physically assaulting children the same crime it would be if perpetrated against an adult?

[Anonymous]

That women cannot be responsible or held accountable for their actions.

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Or presidents (trump)

[Opinion Owner]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 if Trump was a woman a lot of his bullshit would be ignored and even praised

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

True, but, even presidents think they can get away with everything

[Opinion Owner]

@ButthurtGAGpeople1 like Obama had two US citizens murdered, Bush Jr the ilegal war in Iraq, Bill clinton perjury and sexual assault, Bush Sr negotiating with the Iranians during the Iran hostage crisis while not in office, Regan's ilegal invasion of Panama

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Trump got hundreds of thousands of normal human beings killed. All he had to do was say "don't let that boat dock"

[Provingdatruth]

I meant by that younger people don’t care nor abide by that tradition.

[exitseven]

We have to pay taxes.

[Tanisha69]

Salad forks

[ButthurtGAGpeople1]

Gender norms

[Karen444]

Chivalry.