Since when has the US government been playing Calvinball?

[goaded]

The Trump DoJ, 2020: You can't hold an impeachment inquiry without a full House vote.

McCarthy a couple of days ago: We're holding an impeachment inquiry without a full House vote.

Calvinball, never the same rules twice

(By the way, anyone who tells you the Democrats didn't hold an inquiry before the first impeachment of Trump is lying, and the whole world witnessed the events leading to the second impeachment.)

[DryGermanGuy]

At this point there is so much division and toxicity that the rule is more or less that there are no rules, the only goal is trying to to damage President Biden. McCarthy has been pushed and dragged into this nonsense impeachment by the scum of his own party (Gaetz, Taylor Greene, Boebert), lest he doesn't get thrown from his chair as speaker of the house. The whole thing is a vindictive waste of time.

[goaded]

I often wondered if this "one complaint and you're out" rule could be used by a single Democrat to remove him. The only problem is that that would just delay government work that the Democrats want to get done.

[goaded]

Maybe just before recess, and sit back and watch the Republican fireworks.

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, I don't know what to expect really, except it will be a classless shit show. :-/

[Avicenna]

goaded, TDS, RDS, and whatever else you have is dangerous to your health.

We all know how biased you are in favor of fellow Marxists. Maybe you should be concerned about people's rights being violated instead of trying to distract everyone from the many crimes of the Biden Crime Family and their associates.

[Friendlybro79]

Do you actually have evidence of the Biden's crimes? Because no one has produced any except that they have it and are going to show everyone... for over 3 years...

Before you get all BDS on me, if they produce it, and show us actual evidence, and he's linked to anything illegal, I'll be the first one to say he should be held accountable.

Hunters laptop has nothing on it to link Biden. Zero. And before you get HDS if he's guilty of crimes he should be accountable too. Which they are holding accountable for his gun possession drug use thing that prob a million Republican gun owners would call a infringement on their second amendment if it happened to them lol. That said I still think Hunter should be accountable to that crime anyway. The laws the law.

August 2023: Quoted from
thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../

I have no brief for Hunter Biden. From what I have read, he is hardly a pillar of the community. But, despite the drumroll of innuendo, I have seen no evidence that his father, President Joe Biden, was involved in any of his business dealings with Ukraine or China, and I have seen no evidence that he received a “sweetheart deal” to end the criminal tax and gun possession case against him.

The criminal investigation of Hunter Biden was conducted by Delaware U. S. Attorney David Weiss — a Trump holdover appointee whom Biden wisely declined to fire. Attorney General Merrick Garland said that he gave Weiss free rein to conduct the investigation and ultimate prosecution. “I don’t know how it would be possible for anybody to block him from bringing a prosecution given that he has this authority,” Garland said.

[Friendlybro79]

Also this is a from a few days ago in response to the house committees report

thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/.../

[goaded]

@Avicenna There's no evidence of a crime, let alone that the President was involved in one. If you're making unfounded accusations, you call that proof, but when confronted with massive amounts of evidence of Trump's lies and crimes, that's just unfounded accusations. Calvinball.

The Republican "star witness" made it very clear that Hunter was scamming people without the knowledge of his father.

[Friendlybro79]

@goaded exactly. The problem is, almost all republican politicians and many Republican voters, an allegation against a Democrat is irrefutable PROOF of guilt.

Reverse it and when the allegation is against Trump, it's fake news/ deep state etc. When there's evidence from the source himself (recordings and more for ex) that is used as evidence, to say allow a jury of his peers to actually be shown enough evidence to allow an indictment to happen, it's a witch hunt.

It can only be democrats are evil and all Republicans are victims of a "Woke mob" and other boogeymen. Why? Because they're very disillusioned and distracted by propaganda on right wing news. All the Republican politicians say is we have evidence and they can't provide it. Read the house committee findings it just points to more allegations without evidence.

When someone says another person did something that is an allegation. That doesn't show evidence or proof. Hey if they finally do show something then I will accept that because I'm not disillusioned myself. I don't look at politics as us vs them when we're all (avg citizens) being used as pawns.

[Avicenna]

Goaded, you say there is massive evidence against Trump, but you are a far-left European who sees everything through a partisan or ideological prism and does not understand the US or US law. You merely repeat Biden Administration talking points that have been issued to a compliant "press".
Far-left Europeans are known for their bias. You are not credible, especially in cases of political persecution where there has been prosecutorial misconduct and unethical behavior, illegal political pressure from the Executive Branch, and (in some cases) made-up "crimes" that don't appear in the criminal or civil code.

On top of that, goaded, as is typical for a propagandist, you've distorted and misrepresented whistleblower testimony, and in doing so made it clear that it's all about partisan politics for you. You are full of shit, as you always are. And it's not a good look for a foreign leftist to try to defend the Bidens against foreign influence peddling.

[Avicenna]

@Friendlybro79: You have already shown yourself to be a dishonest partisan who does not have an open mind and isn't interested in anything that doesn't fit his tunnel vision. No amount of evidence (or even a confession) would satisfy a rabid partisan.

The media and prosecutors have time and again played dirty with Trump and lied, distorted and misrepresented. They do not get the benefit of the doubt.

And as for trying to make us believe that the Ukrainians and CCP wanted to give lucrative business opportunities to a drug-addled, completely unqualified Hunter Biden because he duped them- you just beclown yourself. And why does the Biden Crime Family have so may offshore shell accounts? And why did the Saudis hire Joe's brother to be their fixer if Joe has no idea what's going on? None of these people are fools, so there was obviously influence peddling.

Joe Biden has been corrupt for decades. Find a NY Times article from circa 1996 "The Senator from MBNA". And here is a starting point for you on the influence peddling:

nypost.com/.../

But I know that no matter what, you will refuse to believe the Biden Crime Family are utterly corrupt pieces of shit.

[goaded]

"you say there is massive evidence against Trump, but..."
But there is. For everything, and it's not coming from "the compliant press", it's coming from court documents.

For example, what about the recordings of Trump showing people classified stolen documents that he admits he never declassified? They're audio recordings, but there were people there who will have to testify under oath to what they saw. If you think Trump was showing them building plans to prove that the government had plans to invade Iran, you're delusional.

You can call me names all you like, but I can show you genuine evidence in response. Which one is more important in a court of law, do you think?

[Friendlybro79]

@Avicenna I'm adding in my opinion here because you're neglecting that Trump has been indicted 4 times totalling 91 federal charges and the only way for him to be indicted is of the prosecution provides evidence to a Juries of Trump's peers. Those juries found that there was enough evidence to indict Trump. I'm not sure if you're a lawyer yourself but you can't deny that is how the law works. Far left far right moderate who cares. This is not about that. If Trump is innocent he will be able to prove that. It doesn't look good for him based on reading the actual indictments.

As for Biden. What evidence has the whistleblower into Hunter Biden shown, besides just his testimony, that he can link Joe Biden into anything illegal? If you know how they proved the testimony of the whistleblower please tell me.

If there is evidence against Joe then I'm sure this impeachment will happen and pan out right? Or do the Democrats control everything?

[Friendlybro79]

@Avicenna ok so this is how things works. I'm not accusing you of being anything. I know it works for right wingers but you don't get to just say I've proven or shown myself as to be dishonest when you can't prove that. See this is the problem. You say something and anyone that disagrees, or more likely asks for you to explain your standpoint, and then you make a claim that I'm dishonest. I'm following what the facts are as we know them today. You are proving incapable of understanding the difference between allegation, evidence, and actual proof. Tell me how inept, incompetent, and basically politically impotent are the Republicans proving to be if they are so powerless against the Democrats?

I'm not denying that there's possibility that Joe Biden hasn't ever done anything criminal in the past but if the Republicans had evidence to indict him for stuff stemming back that long ago, why didn't the Republicans ever do anything? They claim to be the party of rule of law so why do nothing with all this evidence they have?

Again to be fair, maybe if there is something they haven't divulged yet that is actual evidence to really impeach him and can prove he's tied to illegal activity, then I'll be like hey he's gotta go. I'm not being dishonest. You're not understanding the Republicans have made claims. Who stopped him all those years ago then and now from being accountable?

Deep state? See my first comment above lol. Maybe we can all agree that most politicians are dishonest and there's room to believe Trump and Biden have possibly broken laws... I can believe that but you have to have enough evidence to arrest someone.

I read your post article. What laws did Biden break with those excerpts? The articles I sent post date that article. They found nothing specifically said by Joe to be illegal.. As of now that is. Can you cite the law broken by what exact thing Joe said?

[Juxtapose]

Even if the Republicans are playing dirty I don't feel sorry for the Democrats one iota. It's richly deserved with how the Democrats are weaponizing the doj and blatantly breaking the law to persecute a former president which has never been done in history before like this.

You Democrats trivialized impeachments as a first resort rather than a nuclear option so fuck them and I hope they get every last bit of a smackdown the Republicans richly owe them.

[Juxtapose]

Just remember to give a percentage to the big guy and all those times Biden was calling Hunter and put on speaker during those meetings was surely about the weather!

[Juxtapose]

Fuck Biden, his family took money from foreign countries and got us entangled in a war we did not need to be involved in. He likely signed off on the Nordstrom Pipeline being bombed as well by the USA.

[goaded]

"Democrats are weaponizing the doj" You say, as Republicans are planning to fire 50,000 people who know their jobs and are loyal to the constitution and replace them with loyalists. (And no, that's not just Trump, that's the Heritage Foundation, who have billions in backing and have already taken over the supreme court).

The DoJ is not breaking any laws, and Trump is being prosecuted (not persecuted) because he's broken so many laws and is a danger to American democracy and therefore democracy around the world.

Of course it's "never been done in history before like this", you've never had a leader like Trump. Other countries have, Germany in particular, Ukraine used to (and it took massive protests and his ordering the shooting of protesters before he fled to Russia and the life he had been leading was exposed).

The Republican's "star witness", Hunter's business partner, explicitly said that the phone calls were small-talk, never about business. Hunter used them to imply he could make things happen, but he never could. He couldn't even keep the bribable corrupt prosecutor in place to keep him from investigating Burisma. (Before you repeat the lies, having an open investigation is not the same thing as investigating.)

[Juxtapose]

The Supreme Court was not taken over dude, the president chose the people in there as he is supposed to. I know that has a lot of consequences and believe me, I would not want Biden to pack the court. Thank goodness Trump got some people in there! The Democrats try to do everything they could to sabotage that effort too, they even wanted to increase the amount of justices so he could not get his influence that he was due. Rats!

He has not broken any laws, people compare January 6th to 9/11 and I saw the footage where people were being escorted in the building peacefully and then even thanked the Senate with a speech. People even remotely connected to January 6th are being persecuted horrifically and this whole debacle is a political hit job over a glorify trespass violation that Ray Epps and literally hundreds of other feds embedded in the protest tried to weaponize for the FBI!

Trump is great and exactly what this country needs to help kick the establishment in the balls. He certainly not perfect but he's the closest thing since Bernie Sanders I have seen as someone who is real. Poor Bernie sold out.

No, it was not small talk and you don't repeatedly put your father on speakerphone during business meetings to engage in small talk. He very deliberately leveraged his father's position and don't even get me started on "the big guy" and how he takes his cut. I suppose you also think Hillary Clinton is innocent when she literally smashed machines with a hammer to hide evidence?

[goaded]

"[Hunter] very deliberately leveraged his father's position and don't even get me started on "the big guy" and how he takes his cut."
Well, yes, he did, but that's neither illegal nor does it implicate his father. The witness, Hunter's business partner, explained it very clearly under oath.

Tell us, how does the president "take his cut"? By insisting his son pays rent and costs when he lives in his house?

It's amazing how much you're willing to ignore of what Trump and his family did. How much do you think someone "earns" from "investing" $2 Billion of someone else's money every year? They were shaking down whole countries to pay them money or buy off their debts, everything from renting but not occupying hotel rooms to buying 666 Fifth Avenue.

[Juxtapose]

It is illegal to pedal the influence of the vice president for your own gain while also compromising America's interests in the favor of your interests and the interests of a foreign power. Democrats were bitching and moaning about Trump and Russia which was a complete hoax and yet they ignore this? Hypocrisy.

Do you not understand how influence peddling works?

More DNC lies.

[goaded]

It's only influence peddling if you really can influence. Hunter Biden could not. Hunter did not compromise America's interests, nor advance the interests of a foreign power, because in reality he had no influence over his father.

Jared Kushner was part of the government (but only because Trump insisted he be given the security clearance he would have been denied at any other time); he's now offensively rich for life for doing favours for the Saudi murderers.

[OddBeMe]

And you can’t nominate a SCOTUS judge in an election year. Yet Trump nominates Barret in an election year. And she promises not to vote against Roe. And she does.

I could go on…

[exitseven]

And the defendant in a court case cannot talk about the case before the trial which is a violation of the 6th amandment.

[goaded]

Actually, the prosecution have far more restrictions on what they're allowed to say in public, it's generally limited to comments after the conviction and after the sentencing.

What Trump is trying to do is poison the jury pool.

[exitseven]

The jury pool is poisoned to begin with. He is just trying his case in the court of public opinion where he has an even chance of getting a fair shake.

[goaded]

No, he's not. He's trying to get one juror like you (who will have lied under oath to get on the jury) to nullify the jury.

Steve Bannon was convicted despite a MAGA Republican being on the jury (she literally left her MAGA hat in the car every day) because most people take their job seriously, which in this case is to weigh the evidence fairly. You wouldn't.

[exitseven]

Steve bannon is a shady guy, Trump is being tried and convicted before there is even a trial. Third is being done because Biden is losing in most of the polls and he is sinking lower every day. The democrats will not be able to print enough fake ballots to beat Trump because 11 states have tightened up their voting laws and the ones that illegally allowed unverified mail in ballots won't be able to get away with it this time.

[goaded]

No doubt that's why Trump pardoned Bannon, who was convicted of defrauding people like you.

[Sasahara]

Since the Republican babysitter let the Democrat gouverment pick what to play

[goaded]

"You can't confirm a Supreme Court justice months before an election!"

"Who cares if voting has already started for the election next week, we're confirming our nominee with 52 votes!"
Calvinball.

[Sasahara]

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