Who is more likely to succeed in America?

[OddBeMe]

If you had to put money on it…

College educated

Just high school

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Funny moat seem to agree yet in arguments about why economy is fcked this brushed aside…

[Drewtate]

Colleges have cobbled together all sorts of statistical evidence to back up the value of going to college and that may have been true in the past but there's far too many college graduates working minimum wage in Starbucks and McDonalds for it to be true any longer, colleges have become degree mills accepting kids that barely got their high school diploma and scrap by a degree. As college is a huge industry they will produce statistics and evidence to back up the value of college. Years ago all you needed was a college degree and you could walk into any good job in an office but a lot of those kind of jobs are gone so unless you've a degree in something like engineering, math, science etc a degree in women's studies isn't getting you a good paying job.

Also you might leave school with just a high school degree but that doesn't mean your education stops. There are plenty of trade schools that require a lot of education and skill. As an electricity or plumber for instance you can make good money and a lot of it is cash you don't pay to the IRS. But all in all you will make more money getting a college degree depending on your area of study and how well you do.

[msc545]

It's amazing the amount of time and effort people put into trying to explain why going to college is somehow not worth it. Unfortunately for them these are usually people that for whatever reason either couldn't or didn't attend college and feel poorly about it. They should feel poorly. A college degree is worth a lot of money for most people. Trade and vocational schools are nice, but they don't give you the economic power that a college or university degree will confer on you when you graduate.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 that's not what I said now is it.

[msc545]

I think that's what you meant. If I didn't think that I wouldn't have written what I did obviously.

[Drewtate]

@msc545 read before commenting.

[Dargil]

@msc545 Certain graduates succeed well. STEM's, medical, legal are some. Even MBA's are an exclusive club to exclude non-members. What do they actually know?

[Drewtate]

@Dargil exactly certain graduates obviously not those who majored in gender studies

[msc545]

@Dargil More than you do apparently.

[artgorgeous]

When you say college, you also refer to a university?

[OddBeMe]

Not really. “Higher” education really

[artgorgeous]

Then of course college gives more advantage. At least you get some basic skill. High school doesn't give any skill. It's a bare minimum to function in society.

[msc545]

The term college and the term university are really synonymous. The only difference I can think of is that a university is sometimes physically larger than a college but not always.

[DarkLegacy]

College educated, but that is the same in the rest of the world, they have more qualifications so they have more opportunities. They are also more likely to have more money.

[exitseven]

college educated people make more money on average. Ther is always exceptions.

[Dargil]

By what standard? Subsistence farmers and sheep herders can "succeed". So can plumbers, electricians and carpenters. Flyover people succeed by their own measure. College educated succeed by someone else's standard.

[Snakeyes7]

College, not because they are any smarter, it's because they got a fancy piece of paper.

Unlike trade school which is basically recession proof and will not be taken over by AI any time soon.

[msc545]

It isn't the piece of paper that counts. It's the enormous amount of knowledge and skill that it represents that is of value and it allows us to make a lot more money and live a better life than people who didn't put in the effort to get a college degree.

[Snakeyes7]

@msc545 The paper was used to signify that you have been trained on the matter but without the actual work experience, which you'd think would be more valuable in a workplace's perspective. You shouldn't need college for most jobs with the exception of STEM or law.

If you are a hiring manager, would you rather hire someone who has had 10 years of work experience with nothing but glowing reviews from their references and former bosses or someone who hasn't worked on the field for 4+ years to go to college, likely in tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, to learn nothing but the theory behind it all but never had to apply what they learned in real life?

[msc545]

In most professions you need a license and in order to get a license you need both academic education and practical work experience.

Work experience which you seem to be highly in favor of is not objective. Learning and things such as references may be affected both positively and negatively by personality factors, which are not predictable. Just because somebody gets along well and can get good references. It doesn't mean that they're good at what they do, and of course the inverse. As far as cost goes done properly, a college education is not as costly as you think and is a great investment. In most cases. There is nothing special anymore about stem as most college degrees turn out to be worth quite a bit of money in the end..

[Snakeyes7]

@msc545 That's why we have interviews. People during those interviews should be able to prove that they can do what will be required of them. Even still, there is also on-site training. If the information still isn't getting through then they aren't fit for the job.

[msc545]

Relatively speaking, interviews are brief and not always dependable.

[Snakeyes7]

@msc545 wouldn't trade school count as that educational experience?

[msc545]

well... maybe. Depends on a lot of things. Trades are viewed differently.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 I’d say trades are higher education. My plumber and carpenter makes more than me prob :)

[msc545]

It is not about how much a person makes at all. It has a lot more to do with how long it takes to learn, how difficult the work tasks are, and whether or not graduate school is a regular part of the curriculum.

By those measures plumbing and carpentry are not really "higher" education.

[OddBeMe]

@msc545 well…the economy kinda thinks it is. I’m not trying to create a class war. I’m trying to get across why our “recovery” is so slow: 48% higher ed grads.

[msc545]

Yes, it turns out we have too many lawyers. We certainly do not have too many doctors or too many teachers. And in fact, both of these professions have a chronic shortage of practitioners, mostly due to the very lengthy amount of school in the case of doctors or they're very low pay in the case of teachers. I don't think that higher education itself creates economic problems. The lack of higher education. Maybe what is creating economic problems

[Anonymous]

Trick question, it depends on their skin color, as long as they are not white they can get in as a diversity hire

[sundayflower]

Lmao bullshit

[Opinion Owner]

@sundayflower yeah diversity hire is a bullshit concept

[msc545]

A college degree adds about 1 million dollars to lifetime earnings on average.