First of all, I am a feminist, and I do not hate men. I am on the side of equal opportunity and am against it when women are made to feel like lesser-beings simply for being women. That is all.
I have been a victim of having opportunities stripped from me by men who outright blocked my chances to get what I want simply for being a woman, and I've been sexually assaulted, whereby a man used his power and strength to control me when I was trying to fight for my right to say no. I am smart enough to know not to punish all men for what some men have done to me, but observe that the problems like what I've gone through still exist for a lot women by some men today. We do have support from some great men, and that's what I champion for.
That said, I have no patience for women-hating from men, or men-hating from women. It's stupid to lump one entire quotient of people based on the bad behaviour of some.
Your option of toxic says it all, and that's why I selected it.
People who are toxic against one type of person, are likely angry about many things, not just men/women. I've noticed that these types are also quick to react to a late bus, a long line-up, a cold cup of coffee, or just about anything else that doesn't seem to go their way. They're so self-absorbed that they think all the shitty things only happen to them and can't recognize for one moment, the shitty things that are happening to others. Instead they minimize it or belittle it, hanging onto the belief that they have it worse. It's arrogant.
It's too easy for men and women to be angry at the entire gender when their bitter attitudes about each does nothing but attract more problems. They are running in a hamster wheel of hate. As long as they keep hating, the opposite sex will repel themselves from that person, which keeps making them hating. Since no one likes to feel alone, they'll round up friends or others to join them in their misery. And since no one likes to admit fault, they'll instead shame others (especially toward their own gender) if they show any adversity to their behaviour.
Since your topic is about men-hating women, I think this is why they behave the way they do. They've had negative experiences with just about everything in life and haven't had a clue how to deal with it, spilling into their belief that men are now the whole problem. They could just as easily go their merry way and be single and not care what men do, but to go out of their way to hate men and encourage it from other women is ridiculous since their problems are mostly internal and most of their issues have nothing to do with anyone but themselves.
The reason people think feminists hate men is because the very premise of the ideology is that we all live in a society that is run by men to the benefit of men at the expense of women. It sounds scarily similar to the typical war propaganda. In fact Nazis used the same exact strategy just change men to Jews and women to Aryans. That is where I believe the man hatred is coming from and I agree with you that a woman's bad experience with a man can lead a woman to fall for something like that.
If a society uses war propaganda against itself, it is suicidal because you would have people hating or fearing each other. Simply because feminism has taken root in most of the world's governments, especially western ones: the birth rate collapsed, more people are single than ever before, divorce skyrocketed and suicides skyrocketed (especially men because the breakdown of a relationship is one of the leading causes). All because the sexes are afraid of each other mostly due to feminist propaganda which tells women that they only exist to be victims and men that their existence benefits a society that harms women.
I think that the only reason our mainstream media has even dared to take note of the male suicide within the past couple months is because the governments realized that too many of their net taxpayers are killing themselves so they have an opportunity to sell a "cure" for it that will only causes more problems than it solves, like feminism. Feminists have been trying to tell these men that "toxic masculinity" is the problem but they are really just saying that it is their own fault because it is simply patriarchy backfiring on them, which sort of undermines the entire idea.
Sure there are woman-hating men but I don't think being against feminism on it's own should count. I think you should believe that certain horrible behaviors is innate to one sex to qualify, just like how it is easy to think that domestic violence is always perpetrated by a man but based on US CDC statistics, women abandoning men for other women will only make the domestic violence rates go higher than it already is, but no one of any sort of political status wants to address that.
@Snakeyes7 I read your points and appreciate your answer. This type of feminism is not helpful to anyone. If we were to simply concentrate on the issues that women still face for only existing as women, then the better off we'll be. However, I do think that millennia of patriarchy was both a blessing and a curse to women. Women could be secure, but women were also property. A lot of women for hundreds of years were given a lot of leeway simply for being women. But in the last half of the 20th century, there has been a blur with what patriarchy can do as a positive, compared to what it's still doing as a negative. We're still in the baby steps of how to handle it all.
But the squeaky wheels always gets the grease, so to speak. So many of the men/women who are shouting the loudest about what they think the other gender is doing that is so harmful is helping nobody.
I personally don't think the sex of the person who is in power has anything to do with the quality of their leadership. According to researchers from University of Chicago, European female rulers from 1480 to 1913 were 27% more likely to declare war than kings, especially the ones who were married (https://www. dailymail. co. uk/sciencetech/article-4454964/Female-rulers-27-likely-wage-WAR-males. html). I understand that there are exceptions, like being invaded, but I would imagine that leaders who care about their people would rather avoid war as much as they could. This isn't to say that women must not be in power, I mean to say that women are human and are just as capable of corruption as men are, though it might be possible that they express it differently.
So as a result, I don't get this whole idea of viewing leadership in a gendered lens like this unless you want to spread the idea that those who shared characteristics as the one in power benefit from that power, which never ends well.
I think the only reason people like going after the loud and man-hatey feminists are because they are the ones the politicians are listening to. They are the reason the Duluth Model which always assumes the man is the perpetrator in domestic violence cases, the US court case Hermesmann v. Seyer which decided that a man can be sued for child support even if he was raped (in the actual case, the male was 13 and his babysitter who "had sex" with him was 16) and the National Organization for Women (NOW) opposing joint custody as a default, are still around to this day despite being blatantly sexist.
feminism back in the day was nothing like it is today. back in the day it was about equality, equal rights not bringing men down but woman being accepted on the same level, these days its about man hating, dragging men. its a disgrace and nothing of what the movement was built on.
there are far more radical extremism attached to the word now and it was brought on by the delusional beasts that twist anything to fit their false narrative via social media.
these pseudo intellectuals
i especially enjoy it when a girl posts how feminist she is and she is a strong independent self-assured woman and then goes on that she doesn't need a man, yet lives at home with her parents, hmmm needs dad? a man? that supplies to roof over your head etc. lol or doesn't need a mans approval or attention yet is half naked or fully nude on here, social media and only fans -- uh yeah, sure you are a strong independent woman aren't you?
the days of true feminism is far and few in between
Look at her name, "guttergirl". I mean that kind of says it right there. She probably lost her virginity to her dad or uncle at 9. Started giving hand jobs to the middle school boys at 12. Was the village bicycle by 16. And Started stripping at 18. Now she hates herself everytime she looks in the mirror she hates herself and blames men for it. To which she's partly right. But only part in the guys that f***ed her up.
That's what makes women like this toxic is they really don't discern. It's best just to stay away from them. My only complaint is I think their should be legislation past to tame them. Like, "this one's feral guys it's best to just avoid her".
they're not even hiding it anymore
though I admit the amount of energy and mental gymnastics to keep up such a lie must be exhausting for them and it's quite impressive how they are able to dupe the vast majority of western society
but then again, not believing in feminism makes you a sexist, misogynist, incel, prude, pick me girl, sellout etc.
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Because you’re looking at the radical members of a group and generalizing it to mean all feminists, and also playing the definition to match your presuppositions.
Take it from another perspective:
Why are all Muslims blowing up buildings? (If you only looked at the radical Muslims, this is what you’d say, but then you ignore entire populations of peaceful people who identify as Muslim)
Why do all the republicans want to encourage war and genocide? (Same things- the radicals do not equal the majority, most often)
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@SamA_nold Do you believe what we live in a patriarchy, which from what I understand is a society built by men that benefits men at the expense of women as a result? From my understanding, that is the thing one has to believe to be a feminist.
@Snakeyes7 I don't think you have to be a feminist to believe we are in a patriarchy. I would say you need to be a realist. Men run shit, if you can't see that after a couple dozen years in our society, I think you'd have to be delusional.
@zeitgeist057 The idea is that when a man is in power all men share in that power and use it against women.
@SamA_nold Am I misrepresenting the idea of the patriarchy at all?
That is different from the first thing you said.
I think you are also missing a vital distinction here:
There is a difference between saying that men in general are benefitted under a patriarchal society, and saying that every individual man reaps the benefits of that patriarchal society in noticeable ways
@Snakeyes7 what you're saying is more antagonistic than an actual patriarchy. It's not about "men using power against women", it's simply about how the society is run and who is on top. There are many other forms of society, here are some examples:
Matriarchy: ruled by women
Technocracy: ruled by technical experts
Meritocracy: ruled by those best suited to rule (on merit)
Oligarchy: Ruled by a select few (upper class)
In these examples as well as patriarchy, it's not about being some evil power that destroys everyone else, it's simply about who has the majority of power and makes decisions for society. In our society, that role is by and large taken by men. There are women in the ranks of the powerful, but they are scarce.
What you seem to be describing is more like a slavery or totalitarian government run by men, an extreme case where women have no power and men have all the power, in which case you would be right, that is not what our society is like. Women are not slaves to men. But that is not what is meant by "patriarchy".
@zeitgeist057 If that is all feminists mean by "patriarchy" then why do they present it as if it is a problem?
@Snakeyes7 because it lends itself to inequalities, which is problematic.
@zeitgeist057 So wouldn't having women in power do the same thing?
@Snakeyes7 because feminism isn’t about having women in power over men. That would be a matriarchy. Feminism is about women and men having equal representation and opportunities. It is a push for women to be equal to men, not for women to be superior to men.
@SamA_nold Ok you already have that and then some. Why is feminism still around?
It’s still around because we don’t have equal rights entirely… we have more rights than we did previously, yes, because women didn’t have rights beforehand, but we are still not equal in select areas. And equal rights aren’t a thing everywhere in the world…
It’s like asking, why do we still have firefighters when the fire in this house has already been put out? Because there’s still fires elsewhere that need addressing
Ok let's begin with the west. What rights do men have that women don't?
And no, feeling safe when walking alone at night doesn't count because it is not a right. No one is entitled to any sort of feeling nor is anyone entitled to demand anyone else to protect them.
Let's go by what a right actually means: an inalienable protection that one has from state tyranny. None of which are given by the state and the state, therefore, has no authority to take it from you.
I suggest you get rid of that attitude if you actually intend to have a conversation.
The largest and most recent right that was taken away from women: the right to bodily autonomy?
As well, there is no guaranteed rights for women in the constitution apart from the right to vote. All previous right guarantors specifically mention only men. It’s why you might here people say women’s rights are largely theoretical. We have them because men “allowed” us to have these rights, but there is nothing constitutional that protects them from being removed or amended.
You’re right, no one is entitled to a feeling or has the power to demand someone protect them, but you do know what right people do have? The right to be safe and be able to walk without fear of danger or harm.
Your limited definition means you can deny any rights you want that don’t immediately contribute against a tyrannical government, so you are sitting here trying to determine what rights women deserve based on your own male privilege. That is why feminism is needed. Because of people like you who can’t insert a single sentence into the Google search box. Get off your high horse.
Men never had bodily autonomy.
You accidentally got a woman pregnant? You have no legal influence as to whether the baby gets aborted. If the woman decides to keep the child, you are still viable for child support even if you prove you are not the father in certain jurisdictions.
On top of that, don't women have birth control methods? The pill, abstinence, IUD, getting tubes tied, morning after (I think Plan B is another name for it but if not that is next on the list), and abortion.
Men either have abstinence, condoms or vasectomies as a nuclear option.
>All previous right guarantors specifically mention only men
Are you sure it not the old way of referring to "mankind" that we have largely done away with this day in age?
>We have them because men “allowed” us to have these rights
And here is my problem with the tyrannical patriarchy narrative. How do you know that it was all sex based? The only way you can say that "men" gave you these rights is if you believed that all men are a part of that government, which sounds absurd to me. I think both sexes suffered under the harsh environment that was planet Earth. Since women were the reproductive bottlenecks, we all had to make damn sure they were protected otherwise it would have been over for humanity since even one woman dying would greatly impact the potential growth a society had.
The vote was to compensate for a man's potential to go to war or already having been at war. Because they had so much more to lose, including their own property (the woman never counted as property, I have no idea where feminists got that idea from), men were given that responsibility knowing that they would be more careful with who they chose to be leaders.
Yes you heard that correctly, I don't think the vote was ever a right either (at least it never was for men). It is a responsibility and I think calling it a right greatly diminishes how important it is and how much power it gives the individual.
Also the 19th amendment didn't come out of nowhere, it was established in thanks to the increase of women's involvement in US wars starting with WW1. Prior to that, many women didn't want the vote because they thought they would have to fight in wars like men did to be allowed to do it and didn't want to take that risk. Thanks to the 19th amendment, women only need to reach the legal age while men still had to go to war (and still have to be registered as government property even to this day) to vote.
>The right to be safe and be able to walk without fear of danger or harm.
As I said before, that is not a right because feelings do not determine reality. What someone might feel in a current situation might not accurately reflect the true nature of the area they are in.
We, as a society, are also extremely vulnerable to social stigma, which is why false rape accusations are such a serious problem. So serious, that it was one of the leading causes of lynching back in the Jim Crow era as that was the fate of a black man if he was accused of a violent crime and was found innocent by a court of law and the people felt the need to take matters in their own hands. Emmitt Till was a very infamous example of this, though his was worse as the kid was beaten to a literal bloody pulp all just because a woman claimed that 12 year old wolf-whistled her.
There is a reason why we shouldn't base our judgment on hysteria and fear mongering but we do it anyway. Because of that, if a woman sheds a tear, human rights go straight out the window for whoever she points the finger at. This is why I think MeToo is just lynching culture trying to make a comeback.
>Your limited definition means you can deny any rights you want that don’t immediately contribute against a tyrannical government
Because they wouldn't be rights. Most of what feminsit consider "rights" either couldn't be realistically applied (because planet Earth is not a safe place for example) or they are tools that can easily be misused due to being uninformed like voting.
>male privilege
Ah yes, "privilege". The single word that has turned groups of people against each other for pettiest of reasons since time began. Especially since.
I implore you to tell me what privileges men have that are encoded in law and enforced by courts that women don't. I can name many that women have that men don't.
>Because of people like you who can’t insert a single sentence into the Google search box.
Oh you mean the word feminism in the dictionary? I way ahead of you there and even the dictionary makes the implication that feminism believes that men will always be the higher position than women no matter what women do which is delusional. Even if that was true, you cannot claim to be a movement for equality if you never bother to check the status of the other side of the equals sign is and assume it is always greater than what the other side is because you then risk soaring past equality which I think feminism has done after women they got the vote.
This is the ETERNAL question. Equivalaently - why do some men hate women? Humans are complex creatures and can't be summarized with one simple statement. The Science and Psychology community would truly like to know why and how these people reach their conclusions of bias. It has spawned a WHOLE field of study and revenue.
I said they are just toxic because they have no excuses for their behaviour whatsoever, they are just nasty bitter and manipulative women who should be avoided. It is rather pathetic they way hey carry on especially the hypocrisy, the self righteousness and this 'we are getting our own back on men nonsense;.
Why do men whine about women (it's not just feminists) hating them? People aren't obligated to like you, they can totally hate you if they aren't violent about it (like men are with women) Also most feminist are male boots lickers, it's not a feminism thing it's a men are horrible people thing.
No it isn't it is a women are horrible thing you feminazi hiding behind anonymity.
Like Wokesterism overall. it is a passing social trend because men are too nice to women. We let women become the monsters they are and its our fault. When real crises like war or financial collapse hit our society, they will come around.
It's weird because, the ONLY way they're ever gonna have more women on their side is to have men fuck them, get them pregnant and have daughters! Their defeating their own cause! It's like the snake that ate itself.
They have an ideology which is a new form of Marxism. That covers more than one of the above, but "they are very bad people".
I don't think you have the slightest idea what feminism means. I sentence you to read "The Stewardess Rebellion" to find out what feminism was about.
This tattoo is stupid. I'd get a "I love men" tattoo. It'd be a wayy cuter
Simple. If women can believe that they live in a patriarchy and they are all victims it absolves them of any responsibility or accountability for anything. This is rather convenient when one’s life goes awry, as it inevitably will.
As a feminist, I hate you all equally thank you very much.
It's impossible not to hate men. Look at what they do. I'm a feminist, but I don't hate men because I'm a feminist. I hate men because they are bad people. Not all men are bad, but most are.
So you hate men because some are bad, well i hate women because they have become toxic man hating feminazis. Hiding anon to slate men. Women are far worse
@DarkLegacy Women are not worse. Look at all the rape, vilent crime and war in the world. Who is responsible for 99.9% it? Men, that's who.
@Jkgordon I'm white and live in the US. What about you?
I don't know and don't care neither does most people as they aren't important and people have other important things to worry about.
Just stupidity and immaturity...
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They aren't feminists, they're sexist shit bricks.
Because men like you are a waste of space
Feminist=Cancer.
They seek power.
Because it attracts attention
Undercover dykes
all the above really
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