Do All Palestinians = Hamas?

[OddBeMe]

I’m going nuts asking this stupid logic Q…but apparently many of you right wing fcks don’t understand.

This would be like me saying, “All Republicans should be jailed just because of the Jan 6ers.”

Up to 2500 dead Palestinians, who I would bet, had nothing to do with the attack on Israel.

Yes all Palestinians ARE Hamas

No, that’s idiotic

[purplepoppy]

But they did vote them into power and I'm not hearing much condemnation of the Hamas attack from the Palestine community or their supporters. All I'm hearing is how it was justified because of Israel's behaviour in the past.

And yes I do think all republicans are as guilty as Trump. The evidence he's a criminal and a serial bullshitter is plain for all to see yet they're ok with this. You will be judged by the company you keep.

[OddBeMe]

Hamas is an extremist group…Palestine has a leadership org but apparently not very good one. Hamas ain’t it tho.

[OddBeMe]

Oh I was thinking the PLO or fatah had “de facto” control. But I do see you’re right about hamas being elected.

[goaded]

IIRC, Hamas was elected, then proceeded to kill all their opposition.

[OddBeMe]

@goaded ahh! Night of long knives. You damn Germans inspired them!

[goaded]

Both sides, it seems.

[Still-alive]

“ I'm not hearing much condemnation of the Hamas attack from the Palestine community or their supporters.”

Thats odd because it seems British media in particular seems to only allow Palestinian people to talk on their news programs only to specifically condemn Hamas’ attacks. They don’t seem interested in actually talking about how the israeli occupation itself has pretty much created an apartheid state…. They get shut out or silenced by pro israeli people.

https://youtu.be/nrj8gjHcSAE?si=NWqmYRKBOjd_gSJj

[OddBeMe]

@Still-alive people are like this here. No remorse for any lives. Or “all lives”. Of course we hate Hamas, dumbass. But israel is bombing civilians.

[strateguy632]

the "election" was more than ten years ago but does indicate who they wanted. and it is hard to notice the silence , but yeh, palestinian authority is not condemning, the way people want people to condemn israel.

[OddBeMe]

@strategyguy632 Netanyahu was just reflected. So all Israelis are now responsible for 4500 Palestinian lives.

[Anonymous]

Hamas are Palestinians, but not all Palestinians are Hamas. Palestinians chose Hamas to run their government, and more than half of Palestinians support Hamas. Innocent Palestinians are dying because of the terror group they support. You just can't make this shit up. But at least you got a jab in there about "Republicans" and Jan 6th.

[OddBeMe]

You say that, but Palestinians are dying because of Israel. That’s just logic. Israel didn’t have to target whole populations for bombing. And now mass deportations, which is a crime against humanity.

I am tacitly still on Israel’s side, just hating seeing the violence occurring that we Americans also tried in Iraq to no avail. It’s like a never ending cycle all because acting mature and treating this attack as a criminal act and arresting those responsible would appear weak to Netanyahu.

[Opinion Owner]

What would you do? How would you kill terrorists using innocents as human shields?

[OddBeMe]

Toughy but somehow we nearly did it in the early stages of the 9/11 response. We sent in special ops guys who decimated Al Quaeda and cornered Bin Laden in the Tora Bora mountains. But then Bush recalled them just as we were about to mount Bin Laden’s head on our wall and sent in the Halliburton funded military into Afghanistan. And Bin Laden slipped right into Pakistan and enjoyed a full life…for 10 or so years.

[Opinion Owner]

So what would you do?

[OddBeMe]

I just told you. Treat this attack as a crime. Surgically being in suspects and Hamas criminals. Use special ops to decimate Hamas as we did Al Quaeda.

But right wingers like big army wars pretending they’re general Patton. And defense contractors get their pockets filled.

[whirled_up_girl]

Only the Palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas 17 years ago. 2.1 million Palestinians live in Gaza while the other 2.9 million live in the West Bank which is governed by the Palestinian Authority. So clearly not all Palestinians of today voted for Hamas, in fact Hamas only won 44.5 percent of the vote which I mention in another comment. It's also important remember that out of the 2.1 Palestinians living in Gaza roughly half are under the age of 18. The certainly didn't vote for Hamas 17 years ago, many of them weren't even born yet. They however, had the misfortune of being born into that territory and will be suffering the consequences of Hamas. I abhor what Hamas did as much as any decent person would be it's important that people know the truth about how gained power, why they are still in power, and what specific region they govern.

[Opinion Owner]

@whirled_up_girl

When the Palestinians in the US were protesting, who were they protesting against?

[whirled_up_girl]

@anon Protests don't represent everyone in a group, you can't say all of a group of people are in support of Hamas because of a group of protesters.

[Opinion Owner]

@whirled_up_girl

I didn't expect an answer.

[whirled_up_girl]

@anon I'm not sure what your point is. Who protests against who doesn't change the facts. A majority of Palestinians did not vote for Hamas 17 years ago. Only 44.5 percent of those who voted in Gaza voted for Hamas. Roughly half of the current population in Gaza is under the age of 18. The 2.9 million Palestinians in the West Bank are governed by the Palestinian Authority. What have I said in any of those statements isn't true.

As far as I know they're are protest against Israel and actions of the Israeli government. I' don't know how that proves a majority Palestinians are in support of Hamas.

[Opinion Owner]

@whirled_up_girl

NPR says you're wrong, and they're a liberal group. Do you need a link? And will you provide a link to the contrary? Yes, Palestinians are protesting Israelis for killing Palestinians, and you will never hear them protest the terrorist group of Palestine that killed Israeli civilians.
The terrorist group they support is using them as human shields.

[whirled_up_girl]

NPR is saying I'm wrong on what? Feel free to post a link, because I haven't found a source to refutes that Hamas only rules Gaza, or that they only won elections with 44.5 percent of the voters in Gaza, not the West Bank.

[Opinion Owner]

@whirled_up_girl

I'm talking about support to this day, not the election from the past.

[strateguy632]

depends on the context. at this time the israel war is with those palestinian in gaza, so siding with palestinian NOW refers to those palestinian in war, hammas terrorism hence promoting terror. saying support p. a. is not relevant when the war is gaza. so this exposed the cover camouflage.

[Anonymous]

They voted Hamas in. Its like saying are the Democrats responsible if biden decides to bomb in Yemen

[whirled_up_girl]

No, and they were only elected to govern in Gaza 17 years ago, by a plurality vote with no elections since and the West Bank where the rest of the Palestinians live is governed by the Palestinian Authority which not Hamas.

[OddBeMe]

Very true. I actually didn’t know they were “voted” in but I’m seeing some obvious issues with the veracity of the vote.

[whirled_up_girl]

@OddBeMe A lot of people don't know they were voted in, or how and that there hasn't been elections since. It would be difficult as well to know how free and fair these elections were however international observers said they appeared fair. It's also difficult to even find information online about the results of these elections. In any case here is an article about it fanack.com/.../

They won the election with only 44.5 percent of the vote and turnout was estimated at 75 percent. There haven't been any elections since then so it's not a democratic process.

[exitseven]

No but how can you tell them apart? Do you kill them all and let Gid sort them out,?

[OddBeMe]

That would be ridiculously genocidal and a poor bet that a god even exists.

[OddBeMe]

And if god does exist I’d hope he wouldn’t like genocide.

[Sevenpointfive]

well if they aren't they better become one real quick. this isn't going away

[gorydetails]

Wait, don’t jews vote democrat? Why are you selling them out?

[OddBeMe]

Oh Joel…sweet deluded joel.

Who was the top Republican donor a few years ago, recently died…oh Sheldon Adelson. I’m quite sure the “Jews” are as split politically as America. Which means you’re right, majority vote Dem and idiots in Ohio and Missouri decide who’s president.

[OddBeMe]

But I’m with Israel on getting Justice for this attack. But this would be like the US army attacking all of Repubs because of Jan 6ers.

[gorydetails]

Show me on the doll where Jan 6 hurt you

[OddBeMe]

(Points to my heart)

[gorydetails]

Have you tried getting a life?

[OddBeMe]

You’re the one who stays on this site 24/7.

[gorydetails]

You’re projecting

[Anonymous]

Probably not.

Just like many Syrians and Iraqis have never participated in Isis

[strateguy632]

still they and abbas are not condemning the hostage problem or other terrorist parts. we know which side palestinian are.

[Opinion Owner]

@strateguy632 some of them might be you just have never seen it on the news

[Jerre]

A very small number of Palestinians are HAMAS