Do you realize that Ukraine can't win?

[Twalli]

If Ukraine manages to repel Russia and maintain independence, they didn't win. It will take years to restore their industry and economy. Currently more people in Ukraine make money through Only Fans than any other medium. That's because it's the only industry in Ukraine that wasn't damaged in the invasion. So, in this war either both can lose, or Russia wins.

[madhatters4]

the win is remaining a sovereign nation.

it's odd to think that because of the repair you have to do to your nation that you somehow don't seem value in winning a war. WWII would look a lot different if it had leaders with your perspective

[Twalli]

Win=/=survive.

[madhatters4]

i didn't say survive.

[Twalli]

Survive as a nation

[Soteris]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Ukraine has already won. Ukraine has already resisted Russia to the point where they are no longer able to overpower Ukraine. Russia no longer has a path to victory and even if we magically disappeared the entire Ukrainian army right this instance and let Russia occupy all of Ukraine they would still fail in their occupation just like how USA failed countless times in the middle east.

The war is the easy part, and Russia is failing at step 1. The occupation is the difficult one.

Also the Ukrainian economy is not doing great but its actually fairly undisturbed aside from farming and a few key industries. You can still go to a bar and get alcohol, watch a movie in the cinema, buy clothes in stores and whatever else you would associate with a normal functional economy. Russia does not have enough long distance missiles to disrupt actual life in Ukraine.

[Agagagagaga]

Do you try to write out the most retarded thing possible or does it come naturally to you? What I’m asking is, do you have to work at it?

[Soteris]

@Agagagagaga Oh, I must have said something truly controversial then? Like, how Ukraines objectives in this war is to maintain the independence of Ukraine and the fact that Ukraine still exists is a victory to Ukraine by default?

Or how you actually need to do something to an economy to actually destroy it which is something Russia essentially has not done so why would Ukraines economy be destroyed?

I see how it can be difficult for someone like you to understand that things only happens if someone or something do something first. Magic does not exist. If Russia wants to win the war they actually need to conquer and successfully occupy Ukraine and if they want to destroy Ukraines economy they need to do a hell of a lot more than blow up a few grain silos and limit trade by shipping.

[Agagagagaga]

Only an idiot would think that Ukraine is “winning@.

Have they lost a sizable amount of their territory? Yes.

Russia can freely rain down missiles wherever, whenever they want onto Ukrainians. Does that look like victory to you?

Hell if I know, but you obviously know nothing about war.

[Soteris]

@Agagagagaga Oh really? Are you talking about territory now? Lets just look at a nice little graph about that:


Well, would you look at that? Russia took a bunch of land early in the invasion but ever since they have been losing more and more ground.



Yepp. The graph is going down. Downward means Ukraine is winning.

And would you look at that!


Russia is occupying like 10% extra of Ukraine since the war started? And its mostly the empty undeveloped 10%? Well, I am sure Russia is happy capturing a bunch of farm lands or whatever.

But yeah, Russia is losing. Perhaps more than anything they are going to run out of equipment soon. Their equipment losses are insane and every time they enlist more troops they make the problem worse by requiring an even higher consumption of their old soviet stockpiles which are not infinite.

And yeah, Russia can technically "freely rain down missiles" on Ukraine. So where are they? Russia has not been able to achieve its goals of strategic bombing or whatever. It only uses like a handful of drones or cruise missiles each week which is not even close to enough.

[Agagagagaga]

Who has lost territory... Ukraine or Russia?

Ukraine. Ukraine got invaded. Ukraine has lost territory. Has Russia had any of its territory gobbled away? No? THEN UKRAINE IS LOSING!

Who has lost more soldiers? Ukraine... or Russia? UKRAINE.

Who has had more civilian deaths? Ukraine... or Russia? UKRAINE.

Whose country gets hit with missile strikes REGULARLY? Ukraine... or Russia? UKRAINE.

So who is LOSING THE WAR?

UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE UKRAINE

This isn't complicated. Even for a war-mongering chicken like you who has never picked up a rifle in his life. You cheer for a war that you are too much of a coward to fight in yourself. But hey, its just the Ukrainians and Russians who are being slaughtered and killed? Why should you care? Its not like you have any skin in the game. No, not precious you. You just like to sit on your plump ass and act like you know what you're talking about. You don't. You've probably never even been in a fight. Let alone a gun fight. Let alone a goddamn war! Pansy.

[Soteris]

@Agagagagaga Ahahahaha! Well that is about the most retarded thing I have ever read.

Where were you all those times Russia, USA and France lost wars in the middle east and Asia? Like for example, what happened in Vietnam? Did the Vietcong swim over to USA and start occupying Washington? No. That is not required to win a war. Neither is killing more of them than they killed of you. USA only lost around 58 000 soldiers in Vietnam where as the enemy side lost around 1.1 million. Likewise in WW2 Germany killed WAY more Soviets than the other way around and Germany lost BADLY.

You dont understand even the basics of war. To win a war you either need to break their ability to wage war or break their will to wage war, neither of which Russia has been able to do. Ukraine wants to and can keep fighting after all. Furthermore, Russia is the invader. The objective of the invader is to win the war, the objective of the defender is to survive.

Russia has not conquered Ukraine so far and there is no indication that this will change in the near future, which means they have not won.
Ukraine still exists and is still fighting which means that they by default is winning.

[Anonymous]

Everyone knows that's why everyone is sending weapons to Ukraine

[DryGermanGuy]

If Ukraine manages to repel Russia and maintain independence, they did win. They already caused Russia 250.000+ permanent casualties and the loss of insane amounts of hardware. It's common knowledge that destroyed towns, villages and infrastructure will have to be rebuild - which is a boost to the whole economy in itself. I don't even want to comment on your Onlyfans remark, that's just stupid and insulting.

[Dargil]

They may end up like the Koreas. A ceasefire with no details. Ukraine will fight a guerilla way like the IRA did against the Brits.

[exitseven]

As soon as President Trump is back in the White House he will end this conflict in 24 hours. Nobody "wins".

[Drewtate]

Russia has lost, the war has cost them too much and they've gained nothing.

[Astarlessnightsky]

No one wins in a war.

[SwiftyForever]

Oh yes they do