How do you feel now that the January 6th hoax has been exposed?

[Juxtapose]

[WhiteSteve]

Investigate it all they want and let me know what they turn up, but these videos are not compelling to me, presented without context. It seems to mainly focus on one like 15 second clip of people filing in. I have no idea what the gameplan is there, but they wildly outnumber the police, so it maybe was tactically fruitless to engage them.

I know the right wing doesn’t want to believe that their own people did this, prompted by their leader, but they did, and that’s who’s accountable.

Hold whatever investigations you want, it wouldn’t bother me, but the bottom line is this: EXTRAORDINARY ACCUSATIONS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY EVIDENCE. A couple YouTube videos won’t change what I witnessed on live TV in 2021. I feel like we’re just throwing the Occam’s Razor principle out the window. It seems FAR MORE LIKELY that disgruntled Trump voters were lied to about the election being stolen (that part has been disproven in courts time and time again, I have zero questions about the election legitimacy at this point) and acted crazy, as they already seemed primed to do, than it is that some nefarious conspiracy plot of that level was executed. Like I feel like we’re skipping the step of asking ourselves, “do I need to be delusional as fuck to believe this?”

[Juxtapose]

Literally the FBI has sabotaged civil rights protests in the past and the federal government has also had US citizens assassinated and arguably even US Presidents assassinated.

The CIA experimented with mind control using LSD and if successful would have enslaved the entire American population. But yeah, federal agents that were proven to be there it's just too much to believe isn't it?

[Juxtapose]

The crowds literally even shouted down Ray Epps as a fed and there are estimated to have been hundreds of FBI agents in the crowd.

[WhiteSteve]

Federal agents are law enforcement, which I guess we can’t slap a for-sure broad label on, but I feel pretty confident that most law enforcement officers are right-leaning people. I find it hard to believe that MAGA is this “silent majority”, yet they just don’t seem to have anyone who works in these key fields, the entire legal system from the cops to the judges are all anti-Trump liberals, right? The story always seems to be that some right wing person or entity was doing the right thing, but then some corrupt and evil Democrat interfered in some wild, convoluted, behind-the-scenes way, and that just seems way less likely than Republicans freaking out over not getting their way and just trying to bully their way into what they want by any means necessary. Like if Trump wins next year and Biden supporters do this exact same thing, I’d bet my last dollar that your energy about it would be totally different, that it would just be “those corrupt Democrats up to their old tricks again and being violent.” Tucker Carlson won’t say shit about conspiracies, it’ll be about how the “violent left” is a threat to America. I mean, just lmfao. This whole thing seems very self-serving to the Republican Party, and therefore, I can’t believe it unless a full and legitimate investigation uncovered something indisputable. Everything short of that is just words in the wind.

[Juxtapose]

Nancy Pelosi literally denied requests for reinforcements and deliberately let this happen. It was orchestrated by the Democrats.

They even blamed several podcasters for the events and couldn't even get information about them right. The whole thing is a farce.

[Juxtapose]

And did you miss the part where it was hundreds of feds involved? Law enforcement is not political, they serve whoever is in charge and right now it is the corrupt Biden administration. You don't become a cop by exercising your free will over your superiors.

[WhiteSteve]

Whose estimation? I just keep hearing these wild stats and theories.

Also, you guys are flip-flopping all over the place. For months, Jan 6th wasn’t a big deal, it was just a tourist visit. NOW, it IS a big deal, and Democrats did it? Where do we stand on Ashli Babbitt then? Is she still a martyr? Or was she just ANTIFA in disguise? There’s just absolutely no consistency in any of this. And not for nothing, a lot Trump supporters really have a certain “look” about them, and most of those people looked the part, you can’t just cultivate that style overnight if you’re a false flag actor. I’ll always require proof beyond a shadow of a doubt to believe something is a false flag operation, that’s one of the most wild claims a person could make.

[WhiteSteve]

Well, then I anxiously await to hear the results of a full-scale, non-partisan investigation of the whole event, and I’ll come back here and eat my words with no hot sauce when that finally is accomplished👍 Some guy on YouTube will not satisfy that. Republicans control Congress, so the ball’s in their court. Until then…. this one is owned by the Republicans, no matter what Tucker Carlson or Jimmy Dore think about it.

[ProbablyClueless]

You're aware that the government and left wing activists have actually admitted to this stuff about Jan 6th, right? Like, it's not a conspiracy theory. It's what has been formally recognized to be what happened.

[Part2603]

What exactly is the whole deal? What exactly is the accusation? "Insurrection"? What the fuck does that even mean? Pretty sure in order to have an "insurrection" you have to assassinate some people...

[Juxtapose]

@Part2603 apparently all you have to do is commit a glorified trespass violation.

Trump has already had to hide in a bunker during his term because of far left extremists but I guess that's not an insurrection huh? Meanwhile giving a guy with face paint a tour of the White House and even letting him speak is apparently an insurrection.

You really can't fix stupid.

[WhiteSteve]

@ProbablyClueless GTFOH. Where? From what legitimate news source?

[WhiteSteve]

@Part2603 Yeah, I don’t particularly care about nomenclature, but the point is that you can’t have a President lie to his followers about an election being stolen, suggest the time and place to assemble, and then just get to “see what happens”, hands-free, in an attempt to stall an official government proceeding of extremely high importance. I get that it wasn’t a full scale organized military operation, but you absolutely cannot have mobs of people overrunning and injuring police, smashing windows, scaling walls on behalf of a politician, that’s way different than standard protestors…. I don’t care what’s on tape inside, I saw all of that other shit LIVE on TV. That definitely happened. So just tell it honestly. I don’t know how much stock I put in these video clips. I’ve already seen that one of them is long debunked, the supposed “flashed badge” which is believed to be a vape, not a badge, and it was being shown to incoming law enforcement like “I have no weapon.” The guy is in prison right now for his participation…. pretty rough work assignment if he’s a Fed😂😂😂
www.reuters.com/.../
But I’m sure there’s some space shot conspiracy theory explaining this one away too. There always is.

[Part2603]

Pretty sure people have freedom of assembly...

[WhiteSteve]

@Part2603 If they were just standing outside with signs and megaphones that would be fine. I’d just be like “wow, these dumbasses actually believe Trump, who, political biases aside, just reeks of dishonesty and poor character.” But you’re Freedom of Assembly is out the window when you try to attack police who are keeping a major government building closed while a major political function is being conducted with the expressed intention of disrupting it.

[WhiteSteve]

Your*

[ProbablyClueless]

@WhiteSteve Glossing over whatever mental hoops you need to jump through to consider a news source "legitimate;" the FBI, DOJ, ANTIFA and BLM have all had operatives expressly come forward in courts of law to testify to their involvement in the incident.

Here is one such pillar of society: www.nbcnews.com/.../self-proclaimed-journalist-john-sullivan-convicted-charges-jan-6-riot-rcna125516

[WhiteSteve]

@ProbablyClueless ok, but where’s the part where he dressed up in a MAGA disguise? He’s an anti-establishment guy. He’s on the side of MAGA in that instance. Political beliefs aren’t binary, and only owned by Democrats or Republicans. There’s nuance to everything. Also, you aren’t off the hook for storming the Capitol just because “some guy in the crowd egged me on with a megaphone.” Just lmfao, you serious, bro? None of this what a “false flag” is. And bottom line, I don’t know if this guy voted for Trump or Biden or someone else or not at all. But he’s going to prison just like everyone else, BECAUSE HE BROKE THE LAW BY GOING INSIDE. I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand. Protest outside, zero problem. Enter a government building when it’s closed to the public is breaking the law and subjects you to punishment. It’s super simple.

[ProbablyClueless]

@WhiteSteve Him dressing up as MAGA is precisely what makes that a false flag. That's exactly what a "false flag" is. He's not actually MAGA, he hates Trump, but he pretends to be a Trump supporter to instigate trouble. https://www.britannica.com/topic/false-flag

And anyway, what's "so difficult to understand" is that the Capitol building is both taxpayer property and the police expressly escorted the protestors into the building. www.npr.org/.../capitol-police-suspends-6-officers-investigates-dozens-more-after-capitol-riots
At minimum, it would pretty tough to argue that someone has trespassed on property they were told they could enter.

[WhiteSteve]

@ProbablyClueless I’m saying, DID he even dress up as MAGA? Maybe he just had on regular clothes, I don’t know. Maybe it’s all true and he wore a MAGA hat to blend in, but it’s absolutely fucking insane to believe that everyone there was like that, or even a substantial amount. Most of us outside of the MAGAverse didn’t even know a gathering was planned to even show up to.

Also…diiiiiiid ya miss the part where they broke the doors down? It’s not like the police just were waiting with a red carpet rolled out like “come on in.” I don’t understand the ins-and-outs of government level security ops, whether it’s a “don’t set off violence when we’re outnumbered”, some kind of ploy to lure them in and trap them for arrest, I have no idea. I’m all for it if we ask questions to get those answers. But you have to have been eating paint chips to believe that there’s any way some grand sinister plot was going on where anyone said “let’s just let these guys rush the Capitol so they look bad”, when lives could potentially be lost, and were, on both sides. It’s out-of-this-universe crazy to believe any of that shit, I’m so dumbfounded that any human being could hear that and believe it to be true. Holy fuck. Holy FUCK😂😂😂

[ProbablyClueless]

Yeah, I mean the whole situation has flown far beyond calm and rational thought by this point lmao

The way I see it, there were probably some nutcases that were genuinely there for bad reasons, some were probably instigators, most people there were probably normal folks that genuinely wanted the election to be investigated; and Trump himself probably didn't recognize when the attitude of the crowd changed.

[WhiteSteve]

@ProbablyClueless oh yeah, I mean, I definitely think the majority didn’t show up that morning expecting things to go down the way they did, and they ultimately just followed the crowd, and I’m sure plenty who entered the building did nothing of particular trouble. I don’t have all the facts and figures in front of me, but I think the focus of prosecution is on the most troublesome actors in the event, whoever kicked up the most dust. I don’t think BLM (not that I think of them as much of an organized operation, more as a sentiment held by people) shows up expecting to riot, they show up to protest. But it only takes one idiot throwing a bottle of water at a cop, or one hardo officer to forcefully shove a protester, and now everyone’s in it as it flies off the handle. I get all that. I’m just saying the right wing would flip their shit if Biden tried this, or god forbid Obama, and we’d be talking about “I told you they were enemies of America!” But because it was Trump’s crowd, folks are trying to minimize it or dismiss it or claim it isn’t what it seems. I just think as a non-partisan precedent we should take it seriously. If it counts as an “insurrection”, I’ll give you that it was a weak ass insurrection as insurrections go. You just want to treat it harshly because a more organized one could have devastating consequences, and it could be anyone doing it, not just the side we might be rooting for the next time it goes down. I feel like Trump was slow on the draw with calming the situation, and didn’t thoroughly denounce it as he should have, but whatever, I’m just looking at it in the grander context of “what about the next time?”, you know?

[ProbablyClueless]

It's a marketing issue, and the Democrats are just a lot better at marketing. If Biden or Obama did the same thing, the Republicans would absolutely freak out, and they came pretty damn close with the George Floyd protests. It's pretty clear that Trump and Trump's people aren't exactly getting soft treatment. Especially when you consider that Democrats (who haven't seen any legal action for these statements) were expressly calling for civil unrest and violence for BLM. The Democrats, the media, and legal system are all throwing everything they've got at team Trump.

Jan 6 was a very serious situation that needed to be punished, but we also have to be careful about not over punishing. The reality is that not even the FBI considered Jan 6 to be an attempt to overthrow the government.

[OlderAndWiser]

I never believed that it was an insurrection. That is just more rhetoric from the left.

[OlderAndWiser]

Thanks for MHO!

[Lliam]

I was aware of most of the facts from early on because I don't get all my information from corporate news.

The claim that it was an "insurrection" was a joke. The term "insurrection" was an inflammatory propaganda term. Claiming that it was comparable to 911 or Pearl Harbor was insane to anyone with a functioning brain. And the claims that politicians were terrorized; running for their lives, was also a joke. Oh, and remember the false claim that six people were killed.

It started out as a peaceful protest march to the capital. There was no organized attempt to take over the government. There were some violent skirmishes with police and a couple of windows were broken. Much of that was instigated by agents provocateur.

But Trump wasn't there and he had encouraged the protestors to be peaceful and to respect the police. Trying to blame him is like trying to blame MLK for the Watts riots.

Entrance into the capital looked like it had been orchestrated by Democrats as a false flag to further demonize Trump and his supporters. But it turned out that the Trump supporters were not easily incited to violence and their behavior inside the capital was peaceful, respectful, and without violence or vandalism.

Compare that to Democrat supporter protests on inauguration day 2016 that involved violence, arson and vandalism. And that violence was publicly encouraged and supported by Democratic lawmakers and characterized as people exercising their first amendment rights.

[NaultD]

Remember this was a failed insurrection and failing to loot a bank they will still charge you with bank robbery.

Let's be honest here the largest missing piece of this insurrection was donald trump ability to walk with the croud. He chose to drive and his babysitters well babysat don to the white house.

Now imagine a world don just walk with the crowd. Cops aren't doing jack shit to don and everyone right behind him. They enter the capital building sit on every seat of the house of representatives and "count the electoral college" every vote is don and don is president until the military arrives. That is an uprising of government.

[NYCQuestions1976]

The tide is continuing to turn against the original narrow narrative that the far-left liberals and socialists in this country were trying to spoon feed the rest of the general population in this country, and the factual complete full story video evidence of what actually transpired on January 6th, which is finally being released so that the general public can independently see for ourselves ALL the events of the day.

Both the bottom line and fundamental differences are this: Non-far-left liberals and non-socialists had a regrettable day of bad behavior, further twisted and persecuted by the Democrats in the government. Far-left liberals and socialists unapologetically behave badly every day, and are routinely ignored and forgiven by the Democrats in the government.

[Sasahara]

Nothing in particular, its similat to what I thought, but its highly unlikely sjws will belive the truth, at best they will move on when they get something new they can blame on the Right. Remember back when Trump’s wall was such a horrible waste of money? I have heard more complaints from right-leaning people leaning about leftists not complaining about Biden’s promise to build a wall than I have heard leftists complain about Biden’s wall 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Anonymous]

Do you really think any of the Lefties in this site will even bother to watch the footage?

Nope.

[Juxtapose]

It's not about them, it's about showing the undecided people who are low information what really happened.

[Exterminatore]

Good points from both of you.

I like your style Jux. Educate the masses as much as possible.

[Exterminatore]

I knew it was bs from the start. What I didn’t know about were the feds in the crowd.


There was no reason that is legit not to have released the video evidence for us to see from the start.

[Soteris]

It is very telling that people like you tries to pretend that January 6th never happened as we all remember it. You, as a group, fucked up and is now desperately trying to find excuses. If anything, this is very self incriminating behavior.

[Juxtapose]

You're just a foreigner who has no idea what is happening in America.

[Soteris]

I would say that you are just a Russian employed troll but quite frankly, its getting harder and harder to distinguish the American right wing from people literally employed by hostile countries to sow propaganda.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah of course you would swallow that far left narrative that was already debunked. It's the Red Scare all over again only the Democrats are doing it.

[Soteris]

Oh really? You want to talk about the red scare? Ooooooh! Socialism! Spookyyyyy!

Honestly, the fact that you have swallowed the red scare, hook, line and sinker and yet dare to bring it up is the height of irony. But sure, ill remember this next time you try to accuse someone of being a socialist or a communist as if its a slur word.

[Juxtapose]

Communism literally has killed hundreds of millions of people but okay dude xD

[Juxtapose]

There's a reason why the system only works on paper.

[Soteris]

So tell me, how does an economic system genocide people like the soviet union did? I am very curious about what you actually think communism is.

[Juxtapose]

Communism does not work with human nature so you have to have a very strong government to enforce it and that is where everything goes wrong.

The only way Communism works is in small communities of very like-minded people.

[Soteris]

Well that is a load of unsubstantiated rubbish and it also does not explain where the genocide comes in.

[Juxtapose]

It is not unsubstantiated it is fact. There is not a single successful communist system in place unless you count small hippie communes.

It all turns into some authoritarian bullshit where, as usual, the aristocracy of society thrives while everyone else suffers.

[Soteris]

Even if its a "fact" it is still unsubstantiated unless you provide the evidence, which you have not done. You simply told me "Communism does not work" and that was that. Not very persuasive if I am going to be honest.

Also you neatly made my argument for me quite frankly. "It all turns into some authoritarian bullshit" AKA its no longer a problem with communism, its a problem with implementing it which is completely different.

[Juxtapose]

You cannot implement communism because of human nature. You asked me for a study or whatever but I am straight up telling you there is not a single communist country that is not an authoritarian hellhole.

[Juxtapose]

And this is a website where we give opinions. If you want to look it up then do it yourself.

[Soteris]

So you are basically going "Trust me bro". can't say my trust for someone like you is particularly high. I mean even if we are just going by statistics, you have been more wrong than right so even if I did not know you were wrong in this case I would hedge my bets against you based on pure math.

[Juxtapose]

No, the progressives and the far left are wrong on pretty much literally everything.

[Soteris]

Dude, ever just thought that everything you know is wrong?

[Juxtapose]

After what the left has become it would take me closing my eyes and bashing my head against the wall repeatedly for me to eventually start praising Joe Biden and the woke, progressive left. You have to be brain damaged to support the deep state.

The Republicans are not angels too, just think of the Bush years. But I am a liberal and I hate fake liberals. Woke sjws are not for liberty they are communist authoritarians.

[Soteris]

Well first of all, American liberals are not actually liberals by the standards of the rest of the world. The American Liberal is more or less a perversion of what it is supposed to stand for.

Furthermore, Biden is not actually that popular among Democratic voters. He is not being hailed like some messiah or whatever, he is just the least bad option that was forced upon the Democratic voters by their rubbish political party and everyone is aware of it. Had the Republicans actually supplied a strong candidate of their own (or even a mediocre one) then even Democrats would probably choose to vote for the Republicans rather than the Democrats.

But the Republicans have not supplied an alternative. Their politicians are genuinely awful right now at all levels which just lets the Democratic establishment get away with whatever candidates they want to present since its basically a free win regardless.

[Juxtapose]

1. There is virtually no representation for American liberals. It's mostly these woke retards who have taken over the left. A real liberal would be much closer to the founding fathers.

2. Bernie Sanders was a thing but the deep state threatened to prosecute his wife and then he fell in line. Funny how that happens, huh?

3. Trump and Vivek are wonderful.

[Soteris]

Whos fault is it that there is no representation for the American Liberals? Liberalism is a right wing free market capitalist ideology, it has no real place on the left wing in the first place. Also no, the founding fathers for example approved of slavery which is entirely irreconcilable with the core beliefs of liberalism among many other things.

I also love how you think Trump, who is a man without an ideology outside of enriching himself and Vivek who has ran such a bad campaign that he is in single digits right now are somehow "wonderful". Lets remember that Vivek is just another nameless face in a long line. The only reason you support him, and not for example Mitt Romney, Rand Paul, Ron Desantis or everyone else is because you simply dont know enough about him to form a negative opinion.

Its the same song and dance every time. Another faceless Republican politician is brought forward because the previous one crashed and burned and everyone is so excited for someone REAL and COMPETENT to finally step forward and take charge over the burning car wreck. Few months later it turns out they are just the same as the old politician and everyone forgets about them. Over and over again, an unending supply of faceless, nameless and spineless puppets being supplied so that you will maintain faith in the circus.

[gorydetails]

The shitlibs don’t care. They cry and clutch their pearls about Jan 6. Truth doesn’t matter. Only feels.

[Drewtate]

I was glad to see all those congressmen and senators get a taste of their own medicine

[Jamie05rhs]

I've known this for a long time now. But I'm glad that the evidence has finally come out. (I'm sure people probably still won't listen, though.)