Native Americans are the ONLY TRUE Americans?

[Anonymous]

They call them “native” just to avoid calling them Americans.

Everyone else came from elsewhere.

If I go to Italy and give birth to a baby, I’m not Italian, if my baby grows up and they ask him what he is, when he says “Italian” they will ask no, but where are you “really” from?

he will say “I was born here in Italy”

then they will ask “but where are YOUR PARENTS from? “

And he will say Mexico. And they will say “Ahhhhhh” so not a real “true“ Italian just went to be “born there” type of thing..

So native Americans are actually the only TRUE Americans that people from other countries who decided to say they “discovered” America , now want to put a title on the real Americans to take the American name for themselves, and labeling real Americans “native Americans” while they call themselves “Americans” with nothing in-front of it

what are your thoughts?

[WindAtMyBack]

That's just playing games with words. If you want to get technical about it, there are NO natives in the US or anywhere else in the Americas. Nobody knows for sure where humans came from, but they definitely didn't come from anywhere in the Americas.

They probably came from Africa, or possibly Europe or Asia - maybe all three. Humans were pretty well establish on this planet long before they migrated to the Americas. Even then there were probably three different groups, several thousand years apart. One went straight down the west coast, one swept across central US and Canada, and one across northern Canada all the way to Greenland. Plus back migration - crossing from the Americas back to Asia.

People like to play games with words, usually thinking it makes some kind of point. But in this case that's like trying reduce a few hundred thousand years of human history into a single word - "native". It doesn't work that way.

Most words need context to have meaning. Same with "native". When people use it, it's usually understood what it means. Most words have different meanings. You can't take the meaning of a word from one context, and try to apply that meaning to a different context.

[Asker]

I'll stop you before even finishing reading the first sentence. THEN THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO LABLE THEM "NATIVE AMERICANS", your entire argument falls apart on the first part of your comment so no reason to read the rest. they were labled "NATIVES" for a reason. They re the authentic americans but whites who stole the land wanted to claim that NAME so they gave THEM a label to seem like they are going them "recognition" ... That's that.

[Asker]

giving*

[WindAtMyBack]

Not reading is the reason you don't know anything and make such lousy arguments.

[Asker]

you stated there is not such thing as something that exists. 🤯🥴🤡

[Asker]

no*.

[slatyb]

Pretty much they are.

[Anonymous]

If you're in the country legally, and you took the citizenship test, you're an American.

I don't know why you want to make more of it than there is. But for some strange reason, only natives and Africans are allowed to define what type of American they are. If I said I was a German American, someone would call me racist for saying the truth.

[Daniela1982]

Everyone came from the Mideast originally. Everybody in the Americas came from there so none of us are really Americans.

[abc3643]

Not exactly.

Migration into the Americas has happened multiple times which subsequent migrations either wiping out the previous ones or intermixing with them.

For instance, in the Arctic, we think of the Inuit as being Native Americans.
Except they weren't the first.
Before them was the Thule culture from which Inuit arose.
But the Thule culture replaced the Dorset culture who had already been living in the Artic.
And the Dorset had replaced and even earlier culture in the Arctic.

So, "Native Americans" are really "those people who are descended from people who lived in the Americas before the "discovery of the New World" by Columbus in 1492. But those "Native Americans" themselves are descended from people who migrated prior to Columbus.

That makes them really no different than the rest of us: Humans who lived in the Americas now whose descendants migrated to the Americas from elsewhere.

[Asker]

people who are referred to as Native Americans are the ones that came to the land first and created their entire life there. Columbus didn't discover anything, hence the recent abolishment of that wanna be holiday. He arrived to a discovered land which he falsely believed was "India" which is why many ignorant people call real americans and they're type of "LOOK" Indian, when they're anything BUT!. Real Indians while still having dark toned skin don't look at all like natives not even in the type of tone of tan they have, it's complete different color that anyone can tell who is a person from India and how is a real American. Those people who migrated there DISCOVERED IT and lived there, it was their home they are the TRUE AMERICANS.

[Asker]

autocorrect ugh

[abc3643]

I don't think you understand what I wrote.

So, instead of using America, let's use a hypothetical example.

From 1969 to 1972, Americans walked on the moon.

Of course, we know in reality that they left, but suppose there have always been subsequent Americans after 1972 who lived on the Moon having moved there from the USA.
Eventually, there'd be babies born on the Moon and eventually a whole culture of people living on the Moon who are descended from Americans.

Meanwhile, the Soviet Union does the same thing... They have their own multigenerational colony and culture on the far side of the moon.

And then the Chinese and Indians do the same thing.

So, now, the moon has multiple cultures of people dwelling on the moon who are descended from the various nations on Earth. Many of these people spent their entire lives on the moon. Some are new immigrants from Earth.

OK, then, one day, a large colony spaceship of advanced extraterrestrial aliens from Delta Pavonis 4 arrives on the moon. They decide to take over and, with their advanced technology, are easily able to do that. So, they move the humans to reservations they set up on the moon, but otherwise they have completely taken over.

The liberals among the Pavonans call these humans "Native Moonicans". Of course, the humans now referred to as Native Moonicans are a little pissed. "We are the Moonicas and you are just invaders!"

200 years go by and an even MORE advanced advanced civilization shows up from Zeta Reticuli. The Reticulans easily take over the moon and relegate the Pavonans on the moon to reservations. Of course, now the Pavonans on the moon are all pissy that they are treated like... well... the Pavonans treated the humans.

Of course, among the liberal Reticulans, both the humans and the Pavonans are referred to as "Native Moonicans".

So, who are the "Native Moonicans"?
A) The Pavonans?
B) The Humans?
C) Both?
D) The Americans?
E) Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin from Apollo 11?

You tell me.

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[abc3643]

My point is that the migration of people to the Americas is really not much different than the migration story I wrote above and it's been happening for 10s of 1000s of years all over Earth.

Using your logic, you aren't even human because you are a member of Homo sapiens which wiped out all the other "Native Human" species that came before like Homo neanderthalensis (the Neanderthals). So, are THEY the "TRUE HUMANS"? If so, what are you?

And, by the way, before the Neanderthals, there was Homo erectus...
Are THEY the "TRUE HUMANS"?

What's the story?

Honey, the history of this planet is replete with migrations, interbreeding, genocides, and extinctions. Saying somebody was "native" somewhere is something of a misnomer when you look at the 2+ million-year history of the genus Homo (the human genus).
If anything, the only "Native Humans" were some species long ago that arose in Africa. Everybody is just descended from them and their descendants who migrated elsewhere.

[NamerOfStars]

That doesn't make any sense. "America" didn't even come into existence until centuries after the majority of the Amerind people had died off. It's less accurate than calling English people "British", even, since they're still mostly genetically British. For that matter, since reservations are technically sovereign property, they're not Americans at all; they're self-governing.

And if you want to be thorough, NOBODY is American; at least nobody human. Humans are African animals, after all.

[strateguy632]

clever! i enjoyed that.

[rigmarole]

Native: relating to or describing someone's country or place of birth or someone who was born in a particular country or place.

Everyone born in America is technically a Native America. Get over it. It doesn't matter what race you are, if you were born in America you are Native and thus a true American.

[Asker]

no that's bullshit ESPECIALLY in America, YOU CANNOT call yourself a Native American if you are from somewhere else, especially Europe, which is PRECISELY WHY they labeled them NATIVE AMERICANS to distinguish them and give them recognition, the same reason NATIVE AMERICANS have special rights over any other person as you falsely want to claim all are "native Americans"

some bullshit you wrote. Almost 99.99999999% sure that most of you trying to call some bs like what you just said, most of you are WHITE europeans descendants who want to claim you're a TRUE American when you're not. is it difficult to accept this is and will always be their Land?

[rigmarole]

Learn English and try again. You're stupid ese...

[Asker]

I know English. I just type fast plus autocorrect does it's own crap and changes some words and I can't be bothered to delete deleted to go fix some typos. You're just butthurt with what I said and resort to try to insult some "spelling" . UGH the epitome of ignorance. 🥴🤮 wanna be "American"

[rigmarole]

If you knew English, you'd known what Native means. I provided the definition at the start of my post and you still tried to argue against the truth. If you knew Anthropology and Genetics, you'd know many historic tribes of America came from Europe as well. There is no way around it. You're wrong. Get over it and get an education.

[rigmarole]

www.sciencenordic.com/.../1393344

[Asker]

yadda yadda yadda, more BS written by more wanna be americans to keep claiming the name by something THEY wrote to feed to the sheep like you. "we wrote it so it's true", type of thing. cringe.

[rigmarole]

I actually have Calusa heritage, you're just an uneducated communist pushing anti-colonialist propaganda. You sound dumb as shit and can't refute facts with counter arguments.

[Asker]

imagine resorting to insults 🤯🥴🤡.

[rigmarole]

That's all you do clown. You can't actually challenge the facts presented.

[Asker]

you attempted to convince that EVERYONE is a native. 🤯🤡🥴 That's enough to discredit anything else after that. That's all.

[rigmarole]

Learn English clown. The word native has a definition and I provided it. Truth kills all your propaganda.

[Joshydavid25]

They can't be "TRUE" Americans become they didn't come up with the name America.. People have came to new lands and conquered them for a millennia.. The Natives were also conquering the lands of "Other Natives" and without the Europeans the the warring tribes probably would have wiped the many others out.

[AviatorTom]

Sorry to disappoint you, but I was born in America. I didn't come from somewhere else. And so did millions of other Americans.

Plus, your logic is flawed. Native Americans also came from somewhere else. History shows that they crossed over from Asia via a land bridge to Alaska, tens of thousands of years ago.

[strateguy632]

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/native-people-americans-clovis-news

also anyone who earns citizenship is American, born or doing process.

the word native doesn't mean real nor true, the OPPOSITE it separated native FROM American, the real American.

[strateguy632]

to illustrate, one species of triticum is aestivum called wheat to distinguish from 26 other wheat species with a specification. similarly adding the word native separated from real American without and not needed specification

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

The definition of an American (i. e. a TRUE American) is someone who was born in the USA; there is no deeper meaning than that.

One of my all time pet peeves is when people talk about countries like they're ideas or conscious entities; they're not. They're geopolitical constructs.

[Avicenna]

Native Americans are descended from people who originally lived in Siberia and they never called the places where they lived America. By your reasoning, they aren’t Americans either.

[ibodi]

I just think about her about it

https://www.youtube.com/embed/shPJjp0cPX8

[Staximus]

Native Americans are the only true Americans, but supposedly even they are immigrants from Asia

[888theGreat]

No , America was not named America until Pale Face came

[Asker]

that's why natives American's are called native Americans? DOUBT.

[NathanDavis]

Native Americans also came from somewhere else... either by sea or ice, so...

[Asker]

But the land was discovered by them so they are the true Americans and lived there for all their life u til someone came to to say “THEY “discovered” it”

[NathanDavis]

when the Europeans showed up... Native Americans had already stolen so many lands and also slaved many other people so... that's just how it goes, human nature, unfortunately

[Asker]

if that were true, then the "Americans" who are actually europeans who came to steal the American's lands, wouldn't HAVE to put labels on them to make them feel "special" as a sort of compensation, nor would they have special rights over any other person, but they did, and they do, because europeans who came to steal know what they did and what you say is just what OTHER europeans under the label of "American" has WROTE down in "history" for People like you NathanDavis, to read and be educated by what THEY want you to believe.

[NathanDavis]

Canada alone has "sacked" more gold from Latin America in the last year... than the Europeans ever did in 300 years...

[NathanDavis]

even today, greed makes way... I am not denying that

but your approach about what is "true" American or not is just wrong

[Asker]

but it is. they shouldn't be labled "NATIVE" they are just American, real ones. any other would be where they are from with American attached like African American, Mexican American, Italian American, etc. what we referring to as "natives" are the ONLY one who should have "American" without any other label attached to it. people like you don't just want to steal their land but also their title, sheesh.

[NathanDavis]

Native Americans did also steal lands and took titles and culture and what not...

if you actually understood more of history you would realize that the Aztec Empire was actually from the Northern territories, and could very possibly even be from somewhere in the modern USA originally...

they just went South, took the land and culture, knowledge and then proceeded to slave everyone else they could and called themselves the Mexica people...

and then, Spain showed up and did the same... but it was not Spaniards alone... thousands of other tribes also fought them away to recover some of their original lands

[Anonymous]

Actually there are no "real Americans" there were no people till the clovis people settled north America 13 to 13.5k years. Ago.

[KrakenAttackin]

Bullshit. You don't want the narrative changed? Don't be conquered.

[RedInnocent68]

Well, they are ‘native’.