Are you separate from your beliefs?

[OddBeMe]

Or are they your identity?

I think, or at least try to, be able to change based on evidence and reason. Not saying human issues like laziness don’t affect me.

Yes

No

[CozyCoffin]

Our beliefs about the world and our actual experiences shape our values, which in turn form our identity

It is possible to change, but it must be your effort to change or experience that changed you.

I believed I could find a companion, marry her, and have children. I no longer believe that after so many years of failure.

[OddBeMe]

Maybe, but like beleif in climate change should follow facts not your identity.

[CozyCoffin]

Example?

[OddBeMe]

The entire fucking Republican Party doesn’t believe in climate change. Why?

[CozyCoffin]

Money

[OddBeMe]

Sure the leadership and politicians. Why their voters? Why can’t Repub voters look up climate science on NASA’s website? They’re paying for it.

[CozyCoffin]

Lotta people would much rather tune in and shut down.

[OddBeMe]

Agreed. But does that mean it’s their identity then? Or just laziness? Seems strange the entire voting bloc has “shut down” on doing their homework.

[Zestyassmf1997]

It depends on the belief. Certain beliefs I do think are essential to who I am as a person., others not so much. For instance my morals and ethics are critical to who I am as a person.

[OddBeMe]

I agree some do make our personality or personhood.

[Juxtapose]

No, I am one.

Being against rape, senseless murder and the restriction of any of the freedoms in the Bill of Rights whatsoever is anathema to the core of my being. I will fight with everything I have to stop what I care about from being destroyed.

Evil is real and it is all around us. You better be real yourself and have strong convictions to stand against it.

[Juxtapose]

I should have worded my second paragraph differently because the first line makes it sound like I am for those things actually. I can't edit it so here is the clarification.

[OddBeMe]

Evil isn’t real, that’s a religious term. there's good and bad we never reach 100% on either side.

[Juxtapose]

No.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/evil

[Sevenpointfive]

beliefs change but morals stay. i'm really only here to change your beliefs

[OddBeMe]

I won’t believe in a giant Jewish conspiracy. Sorry. They’ve been pushing that BS since WW1

[Sevenpointfive]

it's not a conspiracy anymore

[OddBeMe]

Prove it.

[Sevenpointfive]

i shouldn't have to. common sense does it for me. if you choose to be brainwashed then so be it. i hope one day you'll think for yourself

[OddBeMe]

No you’re making a claim and it requires evidence for me to beleive.

[Sevenpointfive]

ok. let's start with jesus.

[OddBeMe]

Prove he existed.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't believe he existed

[OddBeMe]

Then why bring it up? Waste of time. Show me some organized Jewish world domination. Sorry they’re good business like blacks are good at bball.

[Sevenpointfive]

i see you haven't been introduced to the book. and i'm not talking bibles

[OddBeMe]

What book? The Protocols of Zion? Been debunked for over a century.

[Sevenpointfive]

well someone wrote it. a century?

[OddBeMe]

Yeah since Christ we’ve been hating Jews. And no evidence of world domination. More evidence people were abducted by aliens or were reincarnated.

[Sevenpointfive]

well christ was a jew too. and usurpery is debatable as domination.

[OddBeMe]

You mean “usury” dick for brains?

Why is fine for gentiles to lend money but Jews it’s suddenly a crime against nature. Funny that all the Nazis stole, raped and looted across Europe…which was what they claimed the Jews were doing.

[Sevenpointfive]

i actually meant usurper. but usury works too. but you brought that up. so you know it's real. if the jews had a failed war against germany that's on them. i hope it happens again. i hope you don't want biden to protect you

[OddBeMe]

The Jews never had a country until 1949. So “war” isn't what the Holocaust was…

[Sevenpointfive]

they still don't have a country. they never have. 1949?

[OddBeMe]

Israel…?

[Sevenpointfive]

if i laid out all of my proof. you'd still say prove it. so fuck you odd. i don't want to talk about it with a stupid idiot.

[OddBeMe]

If you laid out facts id call it facts. But I’ve studied this and there is no proof. You just point to Jewish sounding names in Hollywood (omg!)

[Sevenpointfive]

"The Jews never had a country until 1949. So “war” isn't what the Holocaust was…"
then why do you think it happened? I haven't read Mein Kompf

[OddBeMe]

It’s funny you hate them so much without knowing anything about them. Hitler was an antisemite and then domino effect of perfect storm: he becomes unquestioned leader. Jews lose property rights which Germans gobble up (now they’re implicated in the crime). Jews have nothing and can’t support themselves. Where do they live? Concentration camps. Run by the Nazi party’s own SS- meaning the Jews are stateless without any citizenship or documention.

Then Russian invasion happens and Germans conquer 1000s of kilometers of where Jews live the most: Eastern Europe. Former Soviet collaborators want to prove to their new Nazi overlords they hated Soviets and so volunteer to do anything.. like mass murder millions of Jews. Which happens.

I actually think the number of Jews killed was closer to 11 million and total number killed closer to 15-20 million. Just by mass murder, not even counting the war.

[Sevenpointfive]

if the holocaust happened, you mean. well, those genocidal fucks certainly learned how to do it

[OddBeMe]

The Nazis kept meticulous records. you're welcome to research. If you care to.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byshmwes2

[Sevenpointfive]

what was that test for being a jew, even if you could prove you weren't? in front of the soldiers... i can tell you one. but i'd like to hear your answers

[OddBeMe]

There was none. If they thought you a Jew, you were one. Funnily enough a German soldier got the Knights Cross award that allowed his half Jewish wife to be relabeled “Aryan”.

[Sevenpointfive]

i'll look that up later. but you can't fuck the jew out of people. just like you can't wave a wand. i'm obviously talking real jews and not converts.

[OddBeMe]

Interesting. Are Jews a “race” or just a religion/culture?

And I fucked the Christian outta my wife luckily. Kneel stand, can’t do that shit

[Sevenpointfive]

they probably are a species but i guess laymen call it race?

[NathanDavis]

I have conviction... not beliefs

[OddBeMe]

“A firmly held belief.” This answers nothing.

[NathanDavis]

look at the basis of it... not your "My First Dictionary"

[OddBeMe]

So you think everyone’s guilty? Your Catholic! Got it.

[NathanDavis]

we are all guilty of something, yes... I sure am

[OddBeMe]

Still offers nothing to this Q but thanks.

[NathanDavis]

I gave you more than the simple Yes or NO you asked for

[OddBeMe]

After a long back and forth you gave me “guilt”. Is that all you have in your identity?

[NathanDavis]

you came out with that nonsense, not me... lol

[OddBeMe]

Look I’m not gonna lie I feel like this is pulling teeth to get a fckin answer. I like talking to you. But Serisously conviction. You didn’t mean guilt. You meant belief but in some stupid way.

I think we all have “sacred” beliefs ingrained, but (hopefully) most of our beliefs are change with the facts.

[NathanDavis]

people can believe in anything and still go against their beliefs when convenient...

I don't do that... my convictions are from principle not from convenience, sure... I've might have contradicted myself at some particular point of my life, but I own it... I don't go around preaching about this

[OddBeMe]

I doubt that, we all have cognitive dissonance. The better of us realize it and fix it, meaning change our beliefs.

I bet you believe in upholding every aspect of the constitution but also want more religious power in govt.

[NathanDavis]

you sure like to assume a whole lot about me... lol

[OddBeMe]

I’m just betting. I can afford to lose.

[Kingofkings1992]

Your beliefs are your identity

[OddBeMe]

That’s a problem because then you’re less liked to change in face of new facts?