Why do many people blindly support the Ukrainian government?

[bingbongbangbung]

I know Russia isn't exactly a liberal utopia, but Ukraine is considered to be one of the most corrupt countries in the West and maybe even the world. And also the fact that there are neo Nazis within the ranks of their government; sure, it's nowhere as bad as Putin claims it to be, but it still is somewhat of a problem. I'd say both sides are as responsible for causing and escalating the conflict, and while Russia did suffer major losses early on, the tides have turned and now Ukraine is suffering greatly even with the stalemate. NATO and Russia are both clearly just sending in old weapons and equipment that were gonna be destroyed anyways.

If it weren't for NATO backing up Ukraine, they would've been destroyed already back in February 2022. Ukraine is as guilty of persecuting Russian minorities in the current annexed regions, as much as Russia is responsible for ignoring the sovereignty of Ukraine by invading them to engage in this war. And regardless of the history of the Soviets bringing in Russians to Ukraine, or Ukraine's previous government being replaced by the alleged puppet administration led by Zelensky and his oligarch buddues, it's hypocritical to point fingers at Russia but ignore Ukraine and vice versa.

I can understand Ukrainians and other Eastern Europeans being supportive of Ukraine, but almost anyone else is simply virtue signalling, brainwashed, or are corrupt. Sorry but posting a Ukrainian flag on your car or profile picture when you do nothing else to support them does absolutely nothing to change the conflict. The sanctions at first did impact Russia, but they managed to evade them with China, India, Saudi Arabia, etc., while many businesses merely sold the rights to local businessmen. As soon as the conflict in Israel and Palestine arrived, both the people and politicians suddenly downplay and/or move on from Ukraine like the conflict magically ended.

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Anyone who resorts to personal attacks because they can't refute my arguments will be blocked

[RebelinSteel]

This comment, NATO and Russia are both clearly just sending in old weapons and equipment that were gonna be destroyed anyways. So you consider M270, Storm Shadow, Scalp, Javelin, Brimstone, NLAW, StarStreak, Martlett etc etc all old weapons that were going to be destroyed.

It was the Ukrainians that did that initial beating of the Russians in the first few weeks of the latest part of the war. NATO has been training Ukrainians since 2014 and some back in 2012. Pretty much all training was carried out in country converting the Ukrainian forces from old soviet type tactics to how NATO units operate. This was one of the main reasons that the Russians were so heavily defeated in the opening month.
There is a very simple way to end the war, Russia leave Ukraine. It has been a global embarrassment for them, their forces have shown how poor they are, their weapons and tactics not suitable for a modern war against another country with modern weapons.

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As soon as the conflict in Israel and Palestine arrived, both the people and politicians suddenly downplay and/or move on from Ukraine like the conflict magically ended.

Funny thing logistics were still moving, training in the UK, Poland etc is still on going. Politicians are still visiting Ukraine, aid is still flowing, arms are arriving. Individual countries, UK, Germany, France have put in place 10 year security guarantees this year, other countries are also going through this process. This is all after the conflict in Israel started, it was January and February this year.

The next big problem is Transnistria, who are going to call for a referendum to break away from Moldova, this is purely a Russian attempt at breaking away part of Moldova. The Moldovans and Romanians may then get involved invading Transnistria, this time the Russians will be unable to assist in defeating Moldova.

[bingbongbangbung]

1. Just because NATO gives a few new weapons doesn't disprove the generalities; exceptions do not automatically mean what I wrote is wrong
2. Russia still hasn't left nor is showing any signs of depleting their weapons and supplies anytime soon, and if they wanted to, they could easily bring more troops and use newer weapons but won't (same reason NATO chooses to hold back)
3. Promises/treaties much like laws and regulations mean nothing if they're not properly enforced, and most of NATO is backed by the USA in funding, logistics, supplies, and might
4. No idea what you're talking about and the politics of Moldova are irrelevant to Ukraine

[RebelinSteel]

Item 4 first, try learning something, it is immensely relevant, which underlines how little you actually know of the conflict.
Item 1 it was not NATO it was individual countries, also your comment on a few is utter bollox, again showing just how little you know about the conflict. There are a lot of new system delivered, the vast majority being new weapons and systems that are current in the countries that supplied them, most militaries cannot afford to keep old systems in place. Again showing how little you understand about other militaries.
Item 3, those countries making those treaties have a lot at stake, they understand what happens if Russia claims the Ukraine which is why training Ukrainians has been in place for 10 years.

Item 2, Russians are using T-55 and T-62 tanks on a modern battlefield, they are running out of modern tanks. The Russians are buying shells from North Korea and Missiles, they are buying missiles from Iran as they are running out of them (those old SAMs are shooting down a lot of Russian missiles and UAVs and also a lot of Russian aircraft, 7 this week - SU-35’s and SU-34’s.

[bingbongbangbung]

Your comment is full of bollox; learn to write properly instead of using run-on

[bingbongbangbung]

Also NATO is running out of weapons and supplies too; since you don't back up any of your claims with any evidence, I don't need to do the same.

[bingbongbangbung]

You're gonna have to try harder than play with semantics, attack me personally, strawman my arguments, and parrot the same MSM propaganda. Blocked.

[genericname85]

the answer is very simple. cause propaganda workds. or in other words: cause the media told them to.

[Anonymous]

Because the media controls the minds of morons.

[bingbongbangbung]

Just had a moron come here and claim Russia made Ukraine corrupt and anyone who disagrees is a ragetard; usually I'd just remove their answers entirely and block them, but I think it's in public interest to still see those comments so I just blocked him

[Opinion Owner]

Only one guy on this site uses the moronic phrase "ragetard." LOL
I know who he is, and he's the biggest loser on the planet.

[bingbongbangbung]

And who would that be?

[normalice]

It is only considered to be corrupt because Russia controlled it for so long.

[bingbongbangbung]

No it's because Biden and other corrupt politicians do shady shit there

[normalice]

Nope. It's because it was controlled by Russia and now Russia wants control back so they brainwash ragetards into thinking there is any justification whatsoever.

[bingbongbangbung]

Nope 👎

[bingbongbangbung]

When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

[vindaloo]

Exactly. And "Biden and other corrupt politicians do shady shit there" was the first slander, ragetard.

[AngryCarl]

Because they're the elected government. And in any case...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/pWdd6_ZxX8c

[Drewtate]

The Biden regime started the war in Ukraine