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If Trump is right the President has total immunity, does that mean Biden can order the Department of Justice to go after Trump, and Biden has full immunity?
Technically yes, it falls upon the agencies following the criminal orders, not so much the president who gives them as the president is accountable only to congress. This is true for the practical reason that a president would not arrest himself regardless.
The real problem is when they do abuse such power go after opposition, or worse people who had voluntarily stepped down from power. In the first case your breaking democracy, in the 2nd case your giving all future leaders a sold reason to break democracy.
You cannot do that while congress is mantaining the largest and most powerful standing army in the world under their direct command. That is asking for a dictatorship.
Trump is wrong. No president or former president has immunity. That includes Biden. Most importantly, it includes Trump.
@msc545 Biden can have stolen classified documents in his possession and nobody says a peep. The democrats want to kick President Trump off the ballot and put him in prison for having documents that he was legally entitled to possess.
If you have control over the DOJ I guess you can pretty much get away with anything.
This is from the Presidential Records act passed in 1978/
"Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President."
Trump was able to take records with him before he left office. Trump said that after he left office the FBI came to examine what he had and told him to put a better lock in the door which he complied with.
Then they waited until Trump was not home before they made a pre dawn raid on the former place of residence. This does not fool hardly anyone.
@exitseven Treumpo lies - constantly and maliciously.
Biden is a war criminal backed by propaganda. How many innocent people have to die because of that old shrivels man that just wants to fill his pockets and empty everyone else’s while he is bombing people through others? You can’t compare the only reason anyone can post something like what you posted here is if you’re been reading and consuming way too much pro western PROPAGANDA instead of real news. At 55 you’re also probably too old to fix because you’ve been consuming propaganda for most of your life.
TRUMP 2024
Yet you didn’t answer the question
It’s ridiculous. Trump being I devoted and all these things are simply ridiculous. They have nothing and trying so desperately to find sir thing to find him guilty of. They even resorted to the hooker stuff to get him guilty of something, anything! and still nothing. Democrats are being desperate at this point. They can only count on their propaganda and the consumers of it like yourself to continue their fake narratives.
Jan6 for example was not an insurrection. And the footage proves it was democrats opening the doors and breaking the windows to then say it was the protestors when they went in 🤯, but they didn’t play that footage for us, they instead only posted when they already went in and say look what trump told them to “do”
Insurrection was what Biden and Obama did in 2014 in Ukraine which is what started the civil war in Ukraine. THAT is a real insurrection where the pro Nazi regime was installed instead which was always the agenda to provoke Russia but it didn’t work for so many years until after 8 years of hell finally Russia said enough!
Biden is a sick old man.
Your questions is just as stupid as the propaganda it spreads. You want to forcefully input your erroneous information into a voting outcome that will just assure your propaganda fed mind that you are correct and therefore heaving some piece of mind for people voting in the exact outcome you want. It’s ridiculous.
What they’re doing to trump is not just, period.
That doesn’t mean Biden shouldn’t pay for his war crimes and all other things that he IS guilty of. Meddling in other countries to fill his pockets and then feeding you skewed lies for you to support his agenda while innocent people die is fucking sick.
So trump did not say presidents have immunity for all of their actions?
So are you, boyo. (RIGHTY propaganda, though Biden may be abetting war crimes in the Israel-Hamas War.)
May I have whatever substances you're ingesting, laddie?
@handsomelad70 you mean a dozen of reality rather than the bs western propaganda spreads? Most people in the states both dems and republicans consume it. Trump is pretty much the only one from the entire ball of politicians that actually cares about bringing up the country rather than bombing innocent people around the world to fill their pockets.
It saddens me that the president confuses his sister and his wife. He gets confused. He doesn't know what day it is He's controlling the shots. Who voted for Biden? Own it. Be honest. Who wanted a brain-dead president in the primary? No one. The deep state installed him, and you are too busy hating Trump.
Do you agree with Trump presidents have absolute immunity: even Biden?
It saddens me that Biden and Kamala won't debate anyone in the next few months. Stupid is the new normal.
"Pro-Nazi" Ukraine regime? Zelenskyy's JEWISH !!!
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Yes. If Trump is correct then the President can use the secret service to kill his political rivals and also legally refuse to leave office after his term is up.
@OtterMan68
Reading all these replies, I am fucking amazed how well you phrased this question for these people to dance around it like this. You are truly an inspiration.
yep, either they agree Trump is right, and Biden can do anything he wants, or they have to admit Trump is wrong.
Trump, Biden, Obama, Ray-Guns, NO President is completely immune from U. S. law.
No, The secrete service can simply refuse to follow such orders for fear of being arrested and prosecuted if they attempt it.
Trump has already promised to weaponize the Secret Service if re-elected.
@handsomelad70 Trumps legal argument for why he can't be convicted for the crimes he did during his presidency is that the law does not apply to the president. If the law does not apply to the president then he can "break" the law whenever he wants such as killing people and refusing to follow the law (stepping down after his term).
This just goes to show how stupid Trumps legal argument is, because you can't have a democracy like this.
@Soteris Technically speaking the president can simply replace any agent who refuses said orders until he find someone who does.
Their being a "civilian" is entirely non-relevant. Legals speaking however such agents could still be arrested by any other criminal by the States following such order.
The States however would be unable to practically popes a large federal army and stop such abuse. This is why maintain such a large Standing Federal army, be it U. S. military, FBI, ATF, EPA, etc.. rather than keeping it distributed in the National guard among the State is soo dangerous..
That means at this point after Mara Largo raids demonstrating such abuse, we are as likely to see a dictatorship as congress is unlikely to disband such armies who will eventually be used by a president who refuses to give up power out of the very real fear of what would happen to him if he did.
Thou both Biden and Trump may be too old to care, a future president will not be.
@goaded Again this is why it is soo important that States are the only one to hold the domestic power. Anyone guilty of violating federal law can be pardoned by the one president, but nobody guilty of violating State law can be pardoned by anyone but the State Governor where the crime was committed If the State's constitution allows said Governor to do that.
So the President would have to be in cahoots with the governor and even then it would be easy to avoid and hard to hide.
If the President orders someone (probably FBI) to commit such a crime. The State can arrest them for such an act, only the State's Governor could pardon them.
@goaded Its true there are a few States that would go along with, which is why Trump and other republicans should probably should stay out of states like New York.
Said state's already weaponized injustice system doesn't need the cooperation of the president to persecute them, nor given how slowly their 'justice' system works in the time frame of an election does it really matter if they are eventually vindicated. The broader problem for everyone not just politicians being a the lack of a right to a speedy trial.
That said a State which is soo entirely one sided is also not a state said Republican can win in a general election and as such there is no point in going there.
Trump's mistake was assuming New York Still had some basic interest in equal application of the law on said economic issues just to protect their own financial creditability.
New York's zealous hate and political extremism has told everyone doing bushiness in said state about the risks thereof, as such more and more people are starting to withdraw.
That several hundred million dollars they took from Trump is going to cost New York dearly in lost business opportunities. Even the govern had to go out and try and back-peddle telling other businesses they would never do this to any of them. Which is to admit what they did to Trump was not justice but pure political persecution.
@goaded The only thing Trump is dangerous to and has betrayed was the permanent Washington elite agenda of which he had no obligation or duty.
Thus far the charges against him make no sense. Nobody can 'insurrect' against anything they lead least of all do so without even participating. A president uniquely is incapable of improperly handling classified documents because what is proper is defined by what serves the President's agenda.
The New York trials were both shams the legislator even had to change the law just to arrange.
That democrats have gone too such extraordinary extremes to wage lawfair upon their enemies is what really convinces people they are the ones who don't care about the law.
@monorprise Says the man who wants a re-run on the civil war.
Trump engaged in insurrection against the United States. The law says the office of the presidency peacefully goes to the winner of the electoral college vote. He tried many ways to stop that happening, up to and including violence.
There's recording of Trump admitting he hadn't declassified the documents he was showing to people with no security clearance back when he was still president. If he had a winnable case, he wouldn't have spent the last year or more playing courts against each other to avoid a trial. Something he's helped greatly in by judges and justices he appointed who should have recused themselves or refused to consider the question of total immunity.
@goaded I'm not sure I know anyone who wants to re-run what you call the "civil war" There are many people who believe we are headed towards an actual Civil War. I use to think that would be for freedom, but now after the Raids on Mara Largo it seem quite likely it will be to simply take/ retain power in avoiding the now dire consequences of losing it.
Both Conflicts are feared, not in any way desirable. This is why I keep mentioning how many people died in the war between the states and the likely economic and political consequences of a real Civil war. A war that today is unlikely to end given the modern lack of honor.
Not even the Biden administration honestly believes Trump engaged in a insurrection which is why they made up every other charge but that one. An insurrection requires more than mere words and escorted supposed trespassing in what was until then "The people's house".
@goaded If that is all they were looking for it would have been far easier for them to simply negotiate for the documents as is required by the presidential records act and was done with every other president.
Clearly they were looking for something else not covered by the same. Something very much more general with their rather general warrant.
@monorprise OMG. How do you suggest you "negotiate" to get back things that are rightfully, lawfully, yours with someone who is deliberately lying about having them?
"In May 2021, the National Archives began asking Trump and his staff to return all missing presidential records."?
Eight months later "The Archives soon determined that 14 of the boxes [of 15 finally returned] contained classified documents and referred their discovery to the Justice Department".
Hence, the "subpoena in May [2022] that required Trump to return all remaining classified documents in his possession".
When they had evidence that he didn't, and lied about it, only then was there a totally legal and very productive search of Mar a Lago.
@goaded The same way they got the 15 boxes, none of which they were really entitled to. Nor can you say they had any classified information given the orders of the original classification authority on the matter. All your own document claimed was they had classification markings which means nothing to any president.
@monorprise More bullshit. If they weren't entitled to the documents by law, Trump could have simply refused to hand them over and gone to court. Of course they're entitled to government documents. Nobody else found in possession of documents refused to return them, lied to the authorities about them, or showed highly classified documents to random people.
@goaded They didn't give Trump a chance to dispute that they had any right to the documents that was part of the presidential records act process they were in the middle of.
Instead they just issues a very General warrant in violation of the 4th amendment to raid his house and look thou everything there. We have no idea what the democrats running the FBI were really looking for with such a general warrant at the head of the Republican parties house.
This is the first time this has happened to any president and the fact that he was president and thus original classification authority at the time the documents were taken is extremely important
@monorprise Bullshit. He had 18 months before there was a search of his premises that turned up tons of documents he had no right to, and the warrant was specific, look:
Try dealing with reality for a change.
It never happened to any president before because no other president since Nixon (because of whom the law was changed) had stolen so many documents or refused to return them when discovered, or hid them, or lied the to FBI about having them.
@monorprise OMG, there was no negotiations with any president (or vice president) since Nixon or before Trump because nobody knew they had the documents, and as soon as they were found, they not only returned them, but allowed their properties to be searched in case there were any others.
Oh, and they never included battle plans for invading foreign countries because everyone else generally respected the rules.
at least Trump is not sniffing on kids hair like Biden!
Maybe the Trump supporters learned from leftists like yourself that dodging your questions okay in your opinion, or can we expect you to answerr any questions you "answered" without actually answering for example this one
Why do progressives think they are the sole arbiters of virtue?
@Juxtapose Is that you? (The answer to the question Why do progressives think they are the sole arbiters of virtue? ↗ is "They don't.", by the way.)
@goaded Not Juxtapose. Just someone who went looking at Otters answers and found one he didn’t answer. If you look at the Juxtapose account, he is 35yo. My account says 25-29.
Doesn't matter anymore supreme court just shut down removing him from the ballot for 2024. So presidency will be between biden and trump. That being said for the most part the president is actually immune to most legal offenses while they are in office. However once they leave office they can be charged for those crimes. In addition certain crimes can lead to impeachment which still has yet to result in a president being remove from office.
Nobody is above the law. SCOTUS knows this has to be their answer, otherwise a president can legally throw them into prison, or worse.
There's no excuse for their actions delaying Trump's trial.
@monorprise Lincoln threw the SCOTUS into prison?
Why am I not surprised that someone who claims the South did nothing wrong thinks Trump did nothing wrong. You love quoting the constitution, does it say a president can be held responsible for crimes committed in office or not? Does it say an impeachment conviction is necessary for that, or simply that an impeachment conviction doesn't exclude it?
Biden runs the DOJ. He has complete immunity for everything. He can lie, take bribes, steal an election, and kill americans and nobody will prosecute or arrest him. The fake news will lie for him as well.
So you agree with trump: presidents have total immunity. Did you vote in the poll?
So if Biden orders Trump’s assassination, Biden has immunity
This also means that Biden can just say "No" once his term is over and remain the president indefinitely. The only thing that could theoretically remove him would be congress but considering Biden could just assassinate anyone who would start a vote against him then he would just be president for life without breaking any laws. Them is some good laws you got right there.
@exitseven
Joe Biden should and can be impeached for his crimes. Your right however and that is why President's can't be prosecuted by courts as they are not only the prosecuting authority they hand picked said courts as well.
@OtterMan68
Seems to be completely neglecting this is why there exist a power of impeachment by congress, a power that extends no further than taking them out of office for the same reason you can't go after former presidents.
If a serving president feared his successor in seeping down they would particulars if they really are not lawful refuse to step down. This is why what happened at Mar Largo has basic doomed America to dictatorship unless this practical power is totally abolished.
Sooner or later a president will refuse to step down out of fear of the same.
@monorprise It is obvious that we have a two tier justice system. If you are a democrat you can steal classified documents. take bribes from foreign countries. ignore Supreme Court rulings and create an invasion and there are no repercussions. If you are a Republican if you spit on the sidewalk you get an automatic prison sentence
Stop being an uneducated drama queen. The two-tier justice system exists insofar as justice for poor people differs from justice for rich people. And that's hardly any news.
@DryGermanGuy Democrats can get away with everything. Jan6rth protesters are still being arrested for basically walking through the Capitol after being ushered in by the Capitol Police. There are many who have been locked up for years without even be charged with a crime. You would never see a Democrat being treated like that,
Oh, I'd like to see even one of the many "who have been locked up for years without even be charged".
And maybe, just maybe, the average Democrat is not a gullible, impressionable, misguided cult-member, ready to do his master's bidding without thinking about the legal consequences?
But hey, I have heard the GOP has unearthed massive evidence for Joe Biden and his crime family receiving bribes from Ukraine and other countries? The whole truth will come out any minute!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4reCW916G78
@DryGermanGuy they have been languishing in a black hole someplace unable to seek counsel. Bidens first dog is there too.
If POTUS has it, then Biden has it. I personally believe nobody has it. So if Trump wins the SCOTUS case, he just gave Biden full immunity. Biden could order Seal Team 6 to assassinate Trump and he couldn't be charged for it. That's what full immunity truly means. Plus the case will be decided when Biden is still POTUS, so even if Trump wins and wins the election, he might not live to be POTUS again.
Biden is immune from being prosecuted from holding classified documents. Because he’s deemed “too old” yet he’s somehow capable of running our entire country? Make that make sense.
So you agree with Trump that presidents have total immunity
I don’t agree with shit. The law is the law, if you have legitimately committed a crime. You should be held accountable.
And not get away with shit based on your affiliation
So trump is wrong. Got it
your mistake is "total immunity" trump hss immunity for certain categories and equally biden but biden action differed.
Yeah Biden has immunity until he is impeached. He can even parted himself unless it is an impeachment process.
And yes I voted.
Look if Biden can't be charged like Trump on documents then what in the hell he he doing as President
Impeach the old bastard
The two events are not equivalent. Trump took classified documents and that alone probably would not have gotten him in trouble. What actually got him in trouble was his refusal to return the documents when asked to do so to the point that the FBI simply raided his place in Florida and retrieved the documents themselves. Biden, on the other hand took some documents but when asked to return them properly did so. That is the difference and that is why the justice department declined to prosecute Biden and why the justice department is prosecuting Trump. Anyone who can't figure out the difference between the acts of these two people is not thinking clearly.
If he was, Nixon would never have resigned.
Trump doesn't have immunity.
both trashy
Go after trump, how?
Order DOJ to prosecute him
For what? And if Trump has immunity what would be the result of the action?
So Biden could order trumps assassination and be immune
You mean like how Obama assassinated an American citizen and didn’t go to jail?
Do you agree with Trump that presidents have immunity for their actions?
According to trump, Obama has immunity for that. Do you agree?
Was Obama arrested for murdering an American citizen?
So you agree with Trump: Obama has immunity and can’t be arrested for that.
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