Isn't it sad that if either of the two likely US presidential candidates actually ran against a decent candidate they would probably lose badly?

[zagor]

One is old and slow-witted and never was very smart, and the other is a horrendous corrupt individual who is despised by most of those who were in his previous administration. We've had four years to come up with better choices, and failed disastrously.

[strateguy632]

a very ignorant question because u. s. has primary election! each DID "run against" and defeat other candidates! not just each other. biden won and trump won.

oddly the so called liberals who protest and make constant fusses about the "mysoginy and male controlled" world in empty words, but in action refused to support democrat lady president candidate "Marianne Williamson declared her candidacy in March 2023." biden won 4, but she still trying but the liberals prefer the white male. hypocrits.

at least conservative don't whine about male control.

meanwhile in action conservative trump had very inclusive diversity in cabinet lady and minority included. so action of trump better than deeds of liberals!

[zagor]

Really? Who ran against Biden in the primary? Marianne Williamson is a fringe nut. The Trump nuts dominate the GOP now, apparently completely devoid of judgment and ignorant of the reality of the man. A lot of qualified people were deterred by the fear of offending Trump or Biden and thus ruining their political future. And the money required to run in a single state primary is insane.

[FunkyMonkee]

I wouldn't count on it! Look at how many good ones dropped out BECAUSE Trump is the best! Ron and Vivek are pretty damn strong contenders but, the masses want Trump back! Kennedy would be a MUCH better choice than Joey but, the idiots want more chaos and the destruction of the country and Kennedy wasn't about to give them that!

[zagor]

The masses that rejected Trump by over 3 million votes in each of the last two presidential elections?

No, the suckers want Trump back. The cultists who don't care what he says or does as long as he "owns the libs".

[FunkyMonkee]

The suckers are the ones that want Joey back!! THOSE are the REAL cultists! You'd have to be a first class, mentally deranged super moron to want Joey for another 4 years!!

[zagor]

Yeah well Franco looks bad unless the alternative is Hitler.

[FunkyMonkee]

Franco's not in this race and if you don't want another 4 years of Hitler, you better vote for Trump!!

[zagor]

I see, so Biden is the one who made money charging the government for the secret service staying at his properties, who incited a mob because he didn't like the results of an election, who continually got in twitter wars with celebrities, who confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, who lies every time he opens his mouth, whose members of his own administration made public how ignorant he was of world affairs and resigned en mass, who is supporting a murderous Russian dictator and has openly admired him and the leader of North Korea.

Do you even listen to Trump's speeches? He can barely put together a coherent thought. He is the one who needs a cognizance test.

[FunkyMonkee]

You must not get the news where you live! Biden is the one who got millions of dollars from his crooked son who sold meetings with his father (then, vice president) to people in China and Ukraine. I think they call it, "influence peddling".
Biden's people DID start the mob on Jan. 6th! His name is, Ray Epps!! It sure as fuck wasn't Trump's people!!
OOOOO!! MEAN TWEETS!! HOW HORRIBLE!! MOM, where's my crying towel and puppy?
Joe confused his wife with his sister; the leader of Egypt with the leader of Mexico; thinks Kamala is the president; can't remember when his own son died; can't even walk off the fucking stage without cue cards in his hand that TELL HIM TO and, EVEN THEN he fucks it up; he keeps talking to and shaking hands with people that've been dead for decades, most likely, some of the people that voted for him 3 years ago!!
Yeah, that's Biden! Motherfucker lies every time his lips move!!
Yes, there were quite a few of Biden's people that know how piss poor his knowledge of world affairs are and resigned!!
Yes, Joey IS supporting a Russian dictator and he wants Joey to win again this time because he KNOWS he can't get away with his shit with Trump in office! Besides, Joey's making million off of him, too!!
Yes, I do! Obviously, YOU don't!!
LMFAO!!! Again, you're talking about JOEY!! Before every one of his "speeches" some guy announces, "LLLLLLet's get ready to MMMMMUMBLLLLLE!!" And that's WITH cue cards in his hands and teleprompters!! Someone asked him a question and he yelled, "MY BUTT'S BEEN WIPED!!"
Obviously, you missed that, too!! Trump TOOK a couple cognizance tests and passed them ALL WITH FLYING COLOURS!! What's Joey hiding that he REFUSES to take one? A couple weeks ago,. they ruled that he's not mentally fit to stand trial for his crimes! But he's mentally fit to run for president? If you think HE'S fit to run for president then, you have NO ROOM to complain about Trump being President!!

[zagor]

Who in Biden's cabinet resigned? Let's see, for Trump there was a Secretary of Defense, Secretary of Interior, a couple Chief's of Staff. His own butt-kissing VP admitted Trump was wrong on Jan. 6.

And if you believe that Ray Epps was behind Jan. 6 you're really too far gone to have an intelligent discussion on the matter. Read the accounts by the Secret Service about Trump's actions on that day. Read about Trump's comments on Kim. Look at the pictures of him beaming at Putin.

So Hunter Biden is a coke-sniffing douchebag who namedropped his father for his own benefit. That puts him right up there with Don, Jr. and Eric.

[FunkyMonkee]

All of Kamel Hairs' people.
I don't have to believe it, there's video!! If you believe Trump was behind it, where's YOUR proof? I don't have to read those accounts, I saw video! I've also heard from some of the guards.
Kim who?
They just a deal that would help the world! Of COURSE he was "beaming"!! Promises made, promises kept!! How many has Joey kept? NONE!!!
You've obviously been snorting too much of Hunter's coke!!

[zagor]

The proof WAS HIS VERY PUBLIC SPEECH. His comment about hoping Pence would do the right thing, which he in fact did do, it just wasn't the thing DT actually wanted done.

[zagor]

The person whose public statements are most damning of Donald Trump - is Donald Trump.

[FunkyMonkee]

I saw his very public speech! He VERY CLEARLY said that he wanted everyone to be peaceful and go home! Ray Epps, on the other hand, was stirring shit with his antifa thugs dressed up as Trump supporters!!

[FunkyMonkee]

You poor baby! I think you need this REALLY badly!!

[zagor]

He didn't say that in the rally, he said that AFTER shit was going down and he was being pressured by his aides to defuse the situation.

[FunkyMonkee]

Oh, is THAT how CNN edited the video together? I saw the original version! He and HIS followers were IN FRONT of the capitol and there was NOBODY scaling the walls behind him! It wasn't until Epps got his antifa thugs all riled up that the shit hit the fan!!

[zagor]

Uh, Trump DIDN"T GO TO THE CAPITOL. He apparently wanted to, but was dissuaded by Secret Service. The rally was near the Washington Monument, not in front of the Capitol (well technically in front of it but over a mile away). So any video you saw of Trump was while he was riling up the crowd; when the actual incursion occurred he was on his way back to the WH.

[FunkyMonkee]

Right! He told them from his basement!
Riling up the crowd by passively telling them to peacefully go home. Right!

[zagor]

So... what do you see in Trump? His speeches have become even more disjointed and bizarre this go-round. Foreign leaders mock him behind his back. Everything he does is for his own personal benefit - actually that's not true, it's for the feeding of his ego, even when it is against his own best interest. He is mentally ill, having a severe narcissistic personality disorder that is there for all the world to see.

You can bitch about Biden all you want - he was stupid long before he got old - but I will take a cranky clueless old man over a sociopath any day.

[FunkyMonkee]

Again, you're talking about Joey.
I see the results that we got with Trump! All you see of him is what CNN tells you to believe!
What do you see in Joey? He's FUCKING UP OUR COUNTRY!! And you want FOUR MORE YEARS of this shit? He can't even form complete sentences!! He shits his pants in front of foreign dignitaries, He has to have crib notes to tell him where to stand, which side of the stage to leave, when to sit and who to call on when it comes time to answer questions and the people asking them have to have them handed to them BY Biden's staff!! HE is the sociopath!!

[zagor]

No what I see of Trump is what HE tells me. That is the problem.

[FunkyMonkee]

Again, Biden!
And, you can ALWAYS tell when he's committed a crime because he ALWAYS blames it on someone else! Especially Trump! If Joey accuses Trump of something, you can bet your nuts, JOEY is the one that did it!

[zagor]

So you don't like Joe. And Trump is the only other US-born citizen over 35?

[FunkyMonkee]

Yes, anybody with a brain hates Joey and how he's destroying our country!
When did I say anything even close to that about Trump? You must be reading my comments through your CNN filter.

[zagor]

Trump was the worst President in history. He was absolutely clueless about the job and showed no interest in learning.

[FunkyMonkee]

Right, kid! Obviously, you never learned a thing!

[DryGermanGuy]

Yeah, I agree. I seriously don't get how the Democrats could have failed there, given the fact that Biden originally announced to be interested only in the one term, to remove Trump from office. They really should have been able to promote some contenders in the public. I always liked Admiral John Kirby, for example.

[strateguy632]

but not even one democrat governor nor senator was any good. they couldn't find any good one.

[DryGermanGuy]

As an absolutism this is not true. The real question here is, who wants the office enough to fight through the primaries and and then the general election? For whatever reasons, no other high-level Democrat was raising his or her hands for 2024.

[handsomelad70]

That's because the greedy donors of both parties want a quiescent candidate who'll bow to their whims rather than someone who'll do what's best for their compatriots, hence two of the worst possible presidential candidates in the world's wealthiest-ever nation, and its thir-most populous, with more than one-third-of-a-billion people.

[SotiCoto]

You mean the decent candidate would lose?
Because American politics are a two-party system in practice and nobody ever votes for anyone else because they're afraid of throwing away the vote... and in doing, continue to perpetuate a system where the same old useless bellends end up in charge every four years.

[Anonymous]

One is an excellent candidate and was an outstanding president and well over half the country knows it, the other is not just "old and slow-witted" but has been outright senile since long before the 2020 South Carolina primary, yet everyone in the news pretends he's not.

[zagor]

Neither has been a good president. Biden has made terrible choices on border issues, Trump - well just look at what people who were in his administration say about him.

[patois]

If that's what you think, then field a "decent candidate". I guarantee they would still lose.

[zagor]

That's because the primaries have been dominated by those who cater to the wing nuts in both respective parties.

[patois]

It doesn't have anything to do with catering to the constituency. A much larger game is in play.

[zagor]

What, the Trilateral Commission?

[BoopBoopBeep]

If they were a decent candidate they wouldn't be in politics.

ba-dum-DUM

I'm here all night folks. Tip your waitress

[zagor]

Yeah not many want to go through that shitshow.

[art84]

I never vote for other candidates so it doesn't make a difference. No way would the decent candidate win against the two Presidental candidates who are more likely to win.

[zagor]

Well that's a product of the ridiculous duopoly.

Pepsi and Coke may fight over market share but they unite in keeping the field to themselves. When was the last time you saw RC in a restaurant?

[Anonymous]

“Despised by most those in his administration” = people who worked for Trump for a few months and then decided to write a book about it and pitch it on MSDNC.

🙄

[zagor]

Really? Do you think that many people of such a diverse group took those jobs just to write a tell-all book to make money? Or is it perhaps more likely that they took the job expecting the POTUS they worked for to have half a clue about, well, pretty much anything, and were so disturbed by the incompetence, inattention and ignorance of the Chief that they felt they were unable to do the job they were hired to do?

It's not like he's out there saying brilliant things; most of his speeches remind one of a petulant, illiterate 6 year old. I fail to see why anyone would be led to support him - I can see maybe voting for him in 2016, when he was politically an unknown quantity and some optimists thought he would rise to the responsibility of the office, but he has proven to be a train-wreck in that position and now basically openly advocates treason.

[OtterMan68]

yes, both Biden and Trump have dementia and won't last 4 years

[DryGermanGuy]

Biden does not have dementia, he was just completely checked out at Walter Reed hospital. On Trump the verdict is still open, with signs he could have dementia. His father died from Alzheimer's disease.

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