Is it just easier to hate?
”People who are coming from parts unknown, countries that you’ve never heard of.”
“Languages that nobody in this country speaks. We don’t even have teachers of some of these languages,” he continued.
“Who would think that we have languages that are like from the planet Mars?”
Mostly because its a group without a face, in other words its a group that you do not know and can't inherently feel empathy for. Conveniently, every immigrant you happen to know is always "different", you take them out of the box of other "immigrants" and put them into your other groups of people that you know. You commonly hear people who are anti-immitrant talk about their immigrant friends like saying "they are one of the good ones" or whatever, never as part of the overall group of "immigrants".
But that is not why people choose immigrants in particular to hate, that decision is made mostly by politicians or people who wants to gain some kind of authority over you. There are many ways to unite people such as being charismatic or having a good plan. Those however are difficult and require a lot of work as well as some sincerity on your part. Another way to unite people is to unite against something or someone else. This is much easier since it matters much less what or who you are, as long as the thing you are uniting against is bad or scary enough then they will not ask any questions or demands from you.
As such, people looking to exploit others or are incompetent or lazy tend to gravitate towards the "unite against others" option. It gives you a lot of freedom to break morals and such without any blowback.
Once you understand this simple truth it becomes childishly easy to notice the signs in real life. How politicians love to frame things as "invasions" or "wars" for example. Or how they keep explaining things to make you scared, like bringing up drug gangs or whatever. Fear becomes a very important message because fear makes you fall in line and stops you from asking questions.
Why is being pro-immigration so popular?
Most people aren't anti-immigration. They're anti unfettered immigration. The population of the UK is 68 million. It was 60 million 20 years ago. The last two years, each year has seen a net migration figure of 700000. This is outrageous for a small island. House prices are through the roof and this seriously depletes the standard of living for the population. It means a hugely significant chunk of your salary is going towards the basic necessities, rather than any, you know, joy, that rather antiquated notion. Services and infrastructure are seriously impeded, too. My town 20 years ago barely had any traffic. Now it's extremely busy. They want to build on what remains of the green spaces, the last bit of sanctuary from the mechanical cold insanity of this world.
There are serious cultural and integration issues, also. Most the immigration is from certain aspects of the world. There is a clash of values. Freedom of speech has been severely eroded in the last few decades.
You import the third world and you become the third world, it's pretty simple.
There is such a catastrophic failure of policies, that it's clear to see this is what the powers that be want. A highly divided 'global' population. Far easier to control, all very convenient for globalist forces.
Its an election year. Sides pick topics they think will swing votes then spread falsities about said topic loudly, as frequently and as far as possible. See how many people will believe half the spin. This is expected anymore.
It's going to be a long year.
Upside to everything.
Keeping people fearful makes them easier to control.
There are caravans….. CARAVANS….. filled with drug dealing rapists, heading our way right this moment, dontcha know.
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Most people I know are not anti immigrant. Both my wife and I are the grandchildren if immigrants. Mist people I know are against Illegal Immigration. They are against the crime it brings and the coat tontaxpayers to have tob support millions and millions of people who usurp facilities and services that should be spent on working people, veterans and the elderly. The federal government spent nearly half a Trillion dollars in 2023 on illegal aliens. State and city governments have spent billions more. They are on track to spend more in 2024. This will never end until we have a responsible person as President.
I've never met anyone who is anti-immigrant. I'm sure they're out there at klan rallies or whatever. I know a great many people who are very adamantly anti-illegal immigrants. From a blended family of immigrants, pretty much the whole of both sides is like "Where do I go volunteer to build that wall?" because people who respect the law and follow the process tend to dislike it when someone breaks the law to do something important the wrong way when they had the integrity to do it the right way. My roommate is Mexican from the lower peninsula. Got his USC 22 years ago. He asked me why we just don't mine the border. I said the javelina would set them all off prematurely. I was kidding. I'm not sure that he was.
Once again to correct the attempted manipulation you people keep trying to do. It is not anti-immigrant it is anti- ILLEGAL- immigrant. Illegal is the operative word because people who enter illegally tend to commit crimes like the young woman who was murdered by an ILLEGAL immigrant that Biden let into the country.
Because they cause problems like anyone else, but they are a bit worse because theyre harder to find and punish.
Always has been:
Anti-Irish
Anti-Italian
Anti-Chinese
Anti-Jew
Anti-Mexican
Same song different verse: They don't conform! They stick together! They're dumb! They're criminals! They're commies!
yep, the "Know Nothings" opposed Irish and Italian immigrants in the 1800s
Because all those illegal immigrants bring their issues with them.
didn't the Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc do that?
where in the original post, is the world "illegal"?
GOP hypocrisy: End chain immigration! Melania Trump's parents become citizens after Trump is elected. They become citizens thanks to... CHAIN immigration!
GOP wants to shut down all immigration. Trump made it harder to come here legally.
The GOP is anti-immigrant, and considering 99% of them are descendants of immigrants, they are hypocrites.
can people who drive over the speed limit be model citizens? People who jaywalk? People who blow yardwaste on the street?
And where did the original poster say "illegal"
should we have the same immigrations laws we had in 1789 when our founding fathers ratified the Constitution?
so what laws can you break and not be a terrible person?
@OtterMan68 Maybe she belives anti-immigrant is popular because of illegal immigrants.
Perhaps you can point us to were in the original post the word GOP is, or are your replies mentioned GOP just as invalid as her answer mentioning the word "illegal" in your personal opinion?
@Sasahara I'll wager a Coke every anti-immigrant poster is a Republican. The GOP hates immigrants. This is why they made it harder to come here legally when Trump was president... except for his in-laws.
@OtterMan68 I did not make a wager with you, I was wondering were in the original post you found the word GOP. If you expect her to only use words found in the original post, one can expect you to hold yourself to your own standards, right?
@Sasahara The GOP loves chaos at the border. They run on it. They blame Biden, and they won't do anything about it until after the Nov election.
They said "no Ukraine aid without border bill!" Then the senate passes a Ukraine Aid/border bill law, but the MAGA nuts and Trump say "No! We need chaos at the border as an issue to run on!"
@OtterMan68 You are still not pointing me to were OddBeMe worte the term GOP in his original post.
@OtterMan68 You wanted @veles to point out to you were the original post mentioned the word illegal. Why are you unable to hold yourself to the same standards you expect of others and point out to me were in the same or the same original post you found the term GOP?
@Juxtapose you are right
@OtterMan68 If you can hold others to "why can't you just say "I'm right"? You can't prove I'm wrong; therefore, I'm right. Stop deflecting and denying.
Man up and admit you can't prove me wrong." hold yourself to that same standard
@Juxtapose @OddBeMe and whoever else got a notification for the last reply, Is the Biden/Harris administration a gigantic failure? ↗ Otter wrote "why can't you just say "I'm right"? You can't prove I'm wrong; therefore, I'm right. Stop deflecting and denying.
Man up and admit you can't prove me wrong." If he has the nerve to say that someone else he might as well be held to the same standards he hold others.
@Juxtapose no biggie. The short version is: I’m diagnosed with aspergers. In most ways I’m normal, except I can get extremely petulant on very spesific things, including arguments. Thats not an excuse, thats the explanation of why I do this.
I refuse to let Otter not answering me here go and and bring it up whenever Otter holds other people to other standards than himself. I do it pretty much every time I notice him asking someone to link or quote something for him as evidence. Today he made a argument he very well could have used against himself here. So since he have a tendency to ignore it whenever he ask others for evidence of something and I ask him to finaly tell me where in the post he expected Veles to have found the word illegal he found the term GOP, so I decided to try to tag him here again. Usually I just link this question and he ignores it. And even if he ignores it like usual, it won’t stop me. So I apologosed to you and Odd for notications.
@Juxtapose because we’ve seen them. They’re all the fucking sake.
I appreciate that you've welcomed your home to be housing for illegal immigrants. You are truly a caring person.
so you don't help the less fortunate?
@OtterMan68 I'm thanking those who are in favor of illegal immigration for taking these families into their homes. Looks like you are one also! Good job!
@OtterMan68 he and ilk seem to think this is a good argument. When simply asking if they’re against helping people…they have no answer.
Why not just make it easier to come here legally? Let's go back to the way it was in the late 1800s when my ancestors came over.
when I see someone in need, I don't ask for their citzenship papers
You two live in this magical fantasy world where the illegals streaming over the border (by the way more have come over under the Biden regime than the population of almost 30 states) are the huddled masses yearning to be free. The reality is that they're child sex traffickers, gangbangers, drug runners, prisoners released from central American jails, Chinese and middle eastern single men of military age.
They are streaming into the country unvetted, the ones claiming asylum are taking resources and spaces that the brown Americans you supposedly care so much about.
If you want easier legal immigration, seal the border and deport illegals first. Then we'll talk.
You can't sell something you don't have. Keep it out of the country and it can't be purchased.
Mmm…so Prohibition worked just fine? No issues?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cGat1xI8G8
I just stated that keeping the fentanyl and child sex slaves out of the country prevents the supply. You posted a clip about prohibition where the supply was poorly prevented. Thanks for proving my point.
you really think fentanyl is coming into the US with illegals? It's being brought in through ports of entry. Check the facts.
@OtterMan68 If only we had control of the border, we could probably reallocate resources to the ports of entry.
let's ban guns. If banning drugs makes drugs go away, banning guns should make gun violence go away!
Prohibition has NEVER worked!
@OtterMan68 I never said ban drugs. You lefties really have a hard time staying on topic. And I get it. You can't bring yourself to be against illegal immigration because 1) you like the idea of destroying the country 2) You like poor people you can exploit. But you're against all the problems that illegal immigration is bringing to this country. So every time this discussion comes up, there's deflection and a change of subject. Guns have nothing to do with this discussion. And they're constitutionally protected.
Will preventing illegal immigration slow the flow of drugs and sex slaves into this country? Absolutely. This is a 100% fact.
Anything else you chucklefucks bring up to deflect the conversation is nonsense.
you really think securing the border will really cut back on the fentanyl crisis? It's a demand issue, just like alcohol, prostitution, guns, etc.
As long as there's a demand, there will be a supply.
@OtterMan68 I don't think people are demanding fentanyl. And securing the border will cut back on the fentanyl coming into the country. without a doubt.
And even if it doesn't - it's not the only problem we're importing with an open border.
I like the part where people like this think their house is a good analogy for the country. Honestly, if I had a house the size of USA then I would not care one iota if "illegal immigrants" came into it because quite frankly I would never see hide nor hair of them in my entire life living there. Of course, that is simply just me poking fun at their stupid analogy and has nothing to do with my opinion of immigration laws.
is no one demanding pot? Heroin? Cocaine? Prostitution?
Are people only doing those because of supply?
@OtterMan68 Would reducing the supply of heroin/cocaine/prostitutes increase or decrease their usage?
If there is demand, someone will supply it. Go study what happened under prohibition. That led to organized crime taking over the traficking of alcohol, which lead to violent clashes with police and other bootleggers.
But people did drink less during prohibition, but prohobition brought a lot of corruption and government overrearch.
Was it worth it?
@OtterMan68 I never thought I'd find a liberal who is a proponent of child sex slaves streaming into our country. But here we are.
I have no problem knowing I'd find a MAGA person who thinks there's simple solutions to complex problems.
@OtterMan68 Securing the border isn't a simple solution, but it's a necessary one to prevent child sex slaves from entering the country. Sorry it's a controversial statement to you. You know, not too long ago, even the democrat party was for secure borders. I guess times have changed now that you've all gone off the rails.
how many child sex traffickers are using "open borders" to bring in children? What stats are you using?
@OtterMan68 I'm using statements from border patrol agents who identify that children who come across the border with phone numbers are written on their arms are just dropped off when the person who answers the phone says "yeah I know him/her".
How many children need to be sex trafficked annually before you'll have a problem with it?
Why are those children being brought here: DEMAND! Attack the DEMAND!
Demand causes supply. Study ecnomics.
@OtterMan68 So how many children need to be sex-trafficked before you want to stop their import into this country?
I'm not stupid. I know you can't shut down all illegal immigration , so I'd attack DEMAND. No demand, no supply. Why is that such a hard concept for you to grasp?
The GOP opposed the border bill. Why do THEY want an open border. I'll answer it for you: they can run on it until November.
@OtterMan68 The "border bill" didn't stop illegals from crossing and had billions for Ukraine and Israel. Explain how billions to Ukraine helps the US border.
Child, you think people are dumb enough to buy your shitlib propaganda?
GOP said "no Ukraine aid without border spending," and that's what they got, then then changed their mind after their Master Trump said vote no.
True or False: chaos at the border is good for the GOP as they can use it against Biden and the demorats>
@OtterMan68 Well I guess that depends. The Biden administration has been saying the border is secure and there is no crisis since he assumed office. They've taken no action to secure it over the past three years. What they've also done is sued Texas for trying to put up physical barriers to prevent illegals from entering.
Seems the only reason it would be something to be "used" would be because the American people understand that an open border that imports the dregs of he world is unsustainable. I mean, even black people in the inner cities are starting to get fed up when their schools and community centers are being taken over by illegals. The illegals certainly aren't being housed in country clubs.
what has the GOP in the senate or house done to secure the border? What bills have they introduced?
They don't want a secure border before November.
@OtterMan68 So wait, are you stating there's a problem with our open border or not? Because up to this point you've stated that child sex trafficking across it is not a problem, and that someone is racist if they want to secure the border.
I'm saying the best way to fix it is make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration harder.
Also, Texas Representative Troy Nehls is refusing to back any sort of border deal because he claimed it could help President Joe Biden’s slumping poll numbers.
“Let me tell you, I’m not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden’s approval rating,” the MAGA Republican told CNN.
@OtterMan68 That didn't answer my question. Is the current situation at the border (that has been going on without change for three years) acceptable or not?
No, and it's a shame the GOP wants it that way until the election. If we made it easier to come here legally and harder to come here illegally, that would be best, but the GOP wants chaos so they can run on it
@OtterMan68 Ah, so there's no problem at the border but is a problem that republicans won't pass a border bill to fix something that's not broken
Congratulations. You've talked yourself into a circle and win today's award for the stupidest shitlib on the site.
@odd
where did I say there was no problem?
@OtterMan68 You're fine with the children and drugs streaming over the border. You've stated several times.
I want to cut off the demand, which causes the supply. I bet you think the war on drugs is going great, don't you
@OtterMan68 So you want to do nothing. Good policy. Why do you have locks on your doors? I mean all you have to do is convince everyone in your town to not want to steal your TV, right?
yeah, you got me. I literally posted "let's do nothing." Yep. I leave my doors wide open when I'm not home because welcoming people into the country, my state, my county, my city, and my neighborhood is EXACTLY the same as letting people into my home. You got, Tucker bot
@OtterMan68 God you need to work on your reading comprehension. You want to stop demand. So start with your town. Get people to stop demanding your shit.
@OddBeMe ok, let’s try to use our intellect. I know this is going to be challenging for you. You’re going to have to identify the people in the US who want to fuck children (aside from you looking in the mirror) and *somehow* convince them to stop wanting to fuck children.
OR
You could stop children at the border from going further into the sex trafficking ring.
Which one makes more logical sense?
@gorydetails
First of all, other people do NOT mean it in that way. Secondly, that is STILL not a good analogy nor does it have anything to do with immigration, illegal or otherwise. You are just trying to intrude on my personal life as a means to score cheap political points. What you are saying literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation.
And yes, I have offered other families to live in my place since the war in Ukraine happened, but that is besides the point. You are arguing in bad faith and doing a pretty poor job it too if I might add.
@Soteris Are you getting jealous I said someone else was the dumbest shitlib on the site so you’re trying to take the crown back? And you 100% proved my point. You cunts don’t care about immigrants. you just want to virtue signal about it. Because if you did actually do something it would be - in your words -intrude on your personal life. You just want other people’s personal lives intruded.
*rolls eyes* As if you have issues wasting tax payer money. How much money do you spend bombing the middle east every day? How much money are you giving away to various medical industries rather than have free healthcare? But suddenly when it comes to immigration, which is probably the most economically stimulating program the government could possibly fund, you suddenly found the bottom of your wallet and started bitching.
Shame on you. Damn hypocrite.
I can't be arsed to comb through our past conversations but you are an avid supporter of the GOP so that just comes as a freebie. Congratulations.
Point is, you dont actually care. You never did, especially since immigration (including illegal) is one of the few things that actually GAINS the government more money than they spend on it. It is an investment and you are just too fucking stingy to pay the investment because it might benefit a brown person. Pathetic.
@Soteris You're a complete moron. I absolutely care about children being sex trafficked, illegals being exploited, fentanyl, terrorists, Chinese nationals, and gang members streaming into my country.
You're the one who doesn't care about these things and spouts bullshit like it "gains the government more money" You're an idiot.
Yes, yes. All those buzz words that means nothing. You never actually looked into any of those did you? Your ignorance on the subject just highlights further how little you actually care. It is all just buzz words for you. Things you hear from your favorite asswhipe on the right and then regurgitate like the good little sheep that you are.
Let me give you a hint. All of that is propaganda and has little to nothing to do with immigration, illegal or otherwise. I can't honestly respect your opinion if you dont have one.
@gorydetails
You know what? I am feeling charitable today. How about we take ONE of those things you listed.
"children being sex trafficked, illegals being exploited, fentanyl, terrorists, Chinese nationals, and gang members streaming into my country."
And we will look up the real statistics and facts on it as if its not braindead propaganda. I will even let you choose, or ill just use a dice and pick at random. Make it good.
I am just going to be honest with you, its super hard to get accurate data on this one. Best I got is this:
bjs.ojp.gov/.../htdca22.pdf
Which says in one year, 2020, that 529 people were charged for "Sexual exploitation and
other abuse of children" AKA trafficking in the whole of USA, not just the border. 97% of those were US citizens and 72.3% were white. Again, hard to say how much the border had anything to do with this.
Point is, its a fairly minor issue that can be resolved by just having a functional police force. This is what they are for after all. It is not something that justifies the whole country to selfcombust and freak out over.
That was not the question. I merely entertained you to look into ONE of your pointless buzz words that you think is so critical for the nation that you need to elect a government over it and freak out over the border.
If you need to freak out over child sex trafficking, then I would point out that there are probably more children being killed in school shootings. Would you be in favor of doing something against that? Perhaps gun control? My guess is no, you do not care. Just like how you do not care about the children being trafficked. You simply use them to score cheap political points and to freak out over the border. It is so transparent and pathetic ultimately.
It is propaganda. Plain and simple. I mean for starters, the solution to the border, trafficking and all, is to open it up and make the process of gaining citizenship in USA much simpler. Yes that would increase immigration but it would also remove much of the criminal element to it.
So you are saying that you (and others) bringing up child sex trafficking is NOT for a political cause? Its especially telling when you bring up both children and rape since both are subjects that are sensitive to society and therefore ripe for usage in propaganda. It is literally as standard as propaganda ever gets. Pretty sure every single dictator used the exact same argument as you do. "Think of the Children!"
@Soteris It's to stop children from being fucked by pedos. Is it an example of how being in support of mass illegal immigration is a horrible policy? Absolutely. But how the fuck else do you show something is a shitty policy? If there were no ill effects to society then it's not a shitty policy. How fucking obtuse can you be?
Yeah, no. I dont buy that for a moment. I mean honestly, if that is what you meant then you would have talked about stopping pedophilia in general rather than child sex trafficking on the Mexican border. One is orders of magnitude larger than the other but you want me to believe that you are seriously concerned about the smaller one.
You are so fucking dishonest that its sickening.
@Soteris This topic wasn't started about pedophilia. This topic was started over immigration. Why would I bring up irrelevant topics?
It's an indisputable fact that sex trafficking victims, fentanyl, terrorists, gang members, Chinese nationals, and terrorists are streaming over the US border illegally. In addition to God knows who else. To the tune of 5 million since Biden came into office.
You tried to call it 'propaganda'. I've yet to find out one thing I've stated that isn't factual.
You're trying so desperately to sound intelligent. Unfortunately, you're in an ideological cult. So to you, you can't claim that child sex trafficking over the border is bad, and then admit that a secure border would prevent these things... because DUN DUN DUUUUUUUN then you're RaCIsT!!! OMGOO!!!
All of this proves what a bunch of clowns you leftists are.
You, according to yourself, brought up child sex slaves on the border because you think pedophilia is a problem. I point out that you only think pedophilia is a problem when it is in regards to the border because that is the only thing you have complained about. It was never about pedophilia with you, it was only ever the border and everything else just serves to move the conversation to the border.
That is what I have been telling you. You dont actually care.
Also things can be propaganda while still being true. Not that I am saying you are saying something true, but you can't claim you you are not spouting propaganda by hiding behind a supposed "truth".
look ok. there is a line that even legal illegals don't tolerate.
i guess that's what we're dealing with now... nothing makes sense anymore
you don't need a classroom to free think
I'm sure if trumpers saw him say "we shouldn't let people from mars into the u. s." they would go nuts
It's all about "keeping people who don't look like him, or them, out". It's all based on white nationalism
It is just stranger danger weaponized by a political party that has no policies to run on.
People are anti-illegal immigration. It's a felony offense for a REASON.
Immigration isn't the problem, illegal immigration is the problem.
indeed
to hate is so easy
in a sane world, we'd make it easier to come here legally and harder to come here illegally, but the GOP wants to shut down all immigration.
No one wants extra baggage
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