Did we handle 9/11 correctly?

[OddBeMe]

Was reading about the Reichstag Fire that gave Hitler considerable powers. I wonder if there aren’t parallels.

Yes

No

[msc545]

No, of course it wasn't handled correctly. We subsequently attacked both Iraq and Afghanistan two countries that had absolutely nothing to do with this. We ignored Saudi Arabia which is a country that arguably did have something to do with it. We didn't bother attacking Saudi Arabia because at that time they supplied a lot of our oil and of course oil was the most important thing in the world at that time. There is also a persistence suspicion that Bush arranged the whole thing in order to prop up what was his dull and failing presidency prior to that event.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah I read Bush was asking about Saddam day after inaug. 9 mos before Sept. Then we looked the other way when Cheney poured billions into his fave company Halliburton.

[ProbablyClueless]

No, but honestly, I'm not sure there was a right way to handle it. How the hell could anyone in the American public have known how dark and counter productive the war on terror was going to get? People still didn't know the truth about how Vietnam started (which was really our first crack at the war on terror), and 9/11 was too close to home for us not to respond.

[OddBeMe]

History.

[andreasderjuengere]

Look at typical "American" 'disaster movies': the common paranoia of U. S. culture is about being attacked on their own ground.
Osama B. L. saw that quite correctly.
And the predictable "panic" about it was the result.
But in fact, only a replacable building group had been affected.
Where personally, I see the Pentagon as the major target... which somehow was fucked up.
But the response - a publicity stunt - was efficient enough ( politically) to produce a picture of being the poor innocent victim.
...
Nothing is ever handled " correctly" when politics are involved; it's always filthy.

[tremendousfern]

9/11 was handled exactly how American and Israeli intelligence agencies planned to handle it. There's a reason why Mossad agents were seen celebrating the twin towers' destruction that day and why they were released back to their own country.

The war in the middle east was needed to destabilize the region to destroy Israel's enemies and expand the American sphere of influence in that region.

[DryGermanGuy]

Please get counseling.

[tremendousfern]

@DryGermanGuy You can type out fun little quips as much as you like, but it doesn't change the facts. There's a whole FBI investigation that was released as part of a FOIA request (heavily redacted of course), news blurbs about those agents, photos that the Mossad agents took of each other posing in front of the burning buildings (again all heavily redacted).

Ignorance is one thing, but why be smug about it?

[DryGermanGuy]

Yawn. 🥱
Please send me the link to all these mighty morphing Mossad rangers.

[tremendousfern]

@DryGermanGuy Sure

One of the pictures the Mossad agents took of themselves on 9/11 that was released by FOIA request:



An FBI report on the men - I would especially pay attention to the part on page 34 that says that the men are visibly happy in nearly every photograph:

archive.org/.../

A compilation of news reports on the Mossad Agents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QZLviQpoT8

[OddBeMe]

Yeah this was a depressing and embarrassing incident in NY policing. It’s been debunked.
www.nytimes.com/.../...ht-in-net-of-suspicion.html

[tremendousfern]

Yeah, it was just 5 good Israeli boys caught celebrating and filming the twin towers collapsing, employed by a fake moving company, in a van filled with no moving equipment, thousands of dollars of cash, foreign passports, fake IDs, and airline tickets to multiple destinations around the world. Definitely not Mossad, completely debunked. If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

[OddBeMe]

Celebrating? One witness, a half mile away says she thought they were dancing and taking selfies. Maybe they were just fucking immature and taking pics.

[tremendousfern]

If you're not going to bother reading anything I say, then there isn't any point in further discussion. The FBI report says that the photos they took of themselves show them expressing joy in nearly every one.
Also, it blows my mind that you could read: "employed by a fake moving company, in a van filled with no moving equipment, thousands of dollars of cash, foreign passports, fake IDs, and airline tickets to multiple destinations around the world"

all that and still be stuck on your narrative that it was just a "few rowdy immature guys having a good time! LOL Boys will be boys!" Everybody knows that ex-military Israeli nationals working for a totally legitimate moving company would just have tons of cash, plane tickets, and fake IDs lying around in their moving van. Nothing to see here.
Really illuminating that people will claim to be open-minded until they're confronted with something actually outside of their world view and immediately the mind closes.

[OddBeMe]

I’m only asking what is probable.

[tremendousfern]

My claim: Mossad had foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, here's irrefutable evidence they were present filming the event that day and celebrating
Your claim: I don't know... kids these days? amiright?

[OddBeMe]

That’s not evidence. I can show you 28 pages of the redacted 911 commission that pointed to Saudis. Not Israel. Not that they didn’t benefit from our response in the mid east.

[tremendousfern]

If photographs and an FBI investigation isn't evidence to you, then there's no point in continuing this conversation.

[OddBeMe]

There is no evidence that they were Israeli spies. It was investigated mostly because of the the 24/7 meia

[DryGermanGuy]

This whole investigation is nothing but overreach and overcompensation for the agency's previous utter failure. Nothing more than being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Foreign tourists making happy pictures on vacation? Jeeez, what a profound revelation. But my main argument against this is, Bin Laden and his senior commanders are on record admitting that they are the culprits!!! Why would they do that?

[OddBeMe]

@DryGermanGuy similar to Putin blaming Ukraine for the attack on the Moscow concert attack. Even tho ISIS took credit immediately.

[Daniela1982]

Well, Bush sat in the classroom and was not very fast to react or leave to attend to an emergency when his country was being attacked. He was too busy playing Dard Ass with the kids. Of course Biden would probably be doing worse. He would slowly walk out into the bathroom because he thought it was the exit. But that was the worst reaction a President could have.

[Snakeyes7]

Dude we have many of the same parallels going on right now.

Covid, Climate change, J6, Ukraine, Israel. All of this shit is making the politicians think they can just fuck around with the American people thinking we don't know what they are doing.

Ok, maybe they are right about you.

[OddBeMe]

Maybe but I’m not electing politicians just based off what they call fetus. Maybe vote for people who care your list.

[Snakeyes7]

Why would I do that? I just got through saying that they use that list and many more that I didn't mention, including abortion, to gain powers they don't deserve and have abused, are currently abusing the citizens with and will continue abuse the citizens in the future so long as we keep falling for it.

In case you haven't noticed, this is far from a new thing for the US. It has been happening since prohibition and who knows how far back in history it happened before then. It's pathetic to think that we still haven't learned this lesson.

[OddBeMe]

Oh I thought you cared about climate change, J6 and world peace.

[Snakeyes7]

Saying that I don't care about those things is like saying that the average German citizen at the time didn't care about the damages the fire caused. I am sure there were many of them who were like you who thought that massive spike of power was completely justified and they paid the price for being so foolish.

The left likes to say that the right are the uneducated ones yet when it comes to hearing what who they deem to be a right winger says, they pretend to have the reading comprehension level of a third grader if even that. Go back to my previous comment a read it again as it answers your rebuttal before you have even made it.

[OddBeMe]

Well…yeah but you right wingers just fall straight into anti intellectual bullshit. Hence Trump.

[Snakeyes7]

Your intellectual content just calls your obstructionists names that have always had a bad smell to get low information people to hate them without having any understanding as to why. Needlessly creating a divide as a result because the other countries that used such methods totally didn't devolve into genocial maniacs. oh wait.

Also a simple economics book is too right wing for you because it does nothing but talk shit about how socialism doesn't work without even mentioning socialism.

[OddBeMe]

Oh no, simple economic books call for massive liberal Keynesian policies. We’ve only had Hayak for the last 40 years (reaganomics) and we still don’t understand why the middle class is disappearing.

[Snakeyes7]

No they don't. The entire study of the law of supply and demand goes over how things like price controls and taxes can fuck over businesses. It is the forcing of businesses to sell things for far cheaper than they can afford and eventually go bankrupt because they can't pay all of their expenses. You cannot play God with the economy or else it screws everyone over.

Also, the only thing Reagan did differently was create the Laffer curve which just says that you can't tax too high nor too low so there is a sweet spot to get the most money out of it.

And get out of here with that "erasure of the middle class" shit. The only reason we are seeing an erasure now is because the federal reserve has printed out 8 trillion since Covid while they are still extroting us for our taxes.

If you're looking for the origin of trickle down, Herbert Hoover is your guy. The reason HE failed was because he STILL wasn't Lasseiz-Faire. He doubled all government spending, established the federal farm board (FFB), told employers how much to pay their employees and deployed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.

The shit we are going through right now has fuck all to do with capitalism. If we were operating under capitalism, we would have no corporations because corporations exist off of government bailouts which is not a product of the free market.

Take Meta for example. The only thing Meta has done that people actually care about anymore is Instagram and ever since Zuckerborg took that over, every new project has been a swing and a miss. Why are they still a thing? They should have gone out of business long before the name changed to Meta but I guess the government finds them too useful to let that happen.

[OddBeMe]

Everything you wrote is complete bullshit. If you’re interested in truth and not politics, do your homework.

[Snakeyes7]

Really? ALL of it? You mean to tell me that the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act wasn't a very common thing that we learned in history class because I remember that very well.

[Sevenpointfive]

the weimar republic is so poor. it's basically funded by the art school that is there. and a virgin boy should go there.

[OtterMan68]

we drove Al Quada out of Afghanistan then stayed there for another 20+ years in a v ain attempt to build a country and government.