Is this succubus right?

[Juxtapose]

[andreasderjuengere]

This succubus has not been to ALL schools.
It's perhaps correct in regions where you begin a school day with a nationalistic singsong or recite a platch (sic!) that glorifies your submission to 'the System'; or where wearing uniforms is unquestioned.
However: my own school encouraged us for critical thinking and civilized protest if that's needed.
True: schools are embedded in 'the System' - and so they as well need to obey certain "rules", which makes them a two-sided knife.

[OddBeMe]

In some ways…in other ways: standardized educated statistics show the school systems are doing a pretty damn good job considering their attackers.

[Juxtapose]

Did you know bells between classes and other such things were specifically designed to train children to be obedient factory workers?

[OddBeMe]

Ironic since most factories don’t have those antiquated bells anymore. Or they’d be going off every hour.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah and schools don't either, they have an announcement. But the sentiment and the purpose is still quite similar.

[OddBeMe]

Well the entire school year is based off harvest schedules so lots are antiquated. I’m not disagreeing public schools need changes. But you’re falling into the far right trap of throwing the baby out with the entire fcking economy.

[Juxtapose]

.. you do realize criticizing schools for teaching kids to essentially be drones is a left-wing position, right?

[OddBeMe]

No we’re just for education. Anything more added is propaganda for stupid people.

Oh I see it worked on you.

[Juxtapose]

No, the classical left wing has always been against the establishment and they have rebelled against how schools have been teaching the youth to obey "the man." Do not remember the hippie movement? What about liberal counterculture? Really?

It's thanks to the liberals that what was previously accepted as acceptable working conditions is now not. It's thanks to them that religion was taken out of school.

Or do you think liberals are supposed to be good little boys and girls who listen to the D. A. R. E program and don't laugh about it afterwards?

[Juxtapose]

*Do you not

[Juxtapose]

And just listen to how George Carlin bashes schools and their conformist nonsense. That is representation of real liberalism.

[Juxtapose]

https://youtu.be/ILQepXUhJ98?si=8kYzlbvjUrvbszv-

[OddBeMe]

I keep telling you and that other fuck nightdrop or whatever. I don’t give a shit about old labels. I just describe current politics as they are.

No current politician knows or even cares what classical Edmund Burke or Ralph Waldo Emerson liberalism or conservatism is. They go by how much of the stupid vote they can get.

[Juxtapose]

Words have meaning and it's important to stick to that meaning otherwise they become meaningless.

[Juxtapose]

And pointing out that politics is a cesspool of ignorant, corrupt Machiavellian sociopaths does not make me want to change my ways for these corrupt, Machiavellian sociopaths.

[OddBeMe]

It also needs to be relevant. And you learned from him that shoving stupid labels into arguments makes you look smarter. But it’s a complete DODGE.

you're actually committing a logical fallacy thinking your old labels have anything to do with today. Unless we were talking about the evolution of political parties. Which you still don’t get…lol

[Juxtapose]

The great switch is a lie but I don't want to get into a tangent about that because it's off topic.

Classical liberalism is very much so relevant and it has a clear, understood meeting. You can't just keep changing the definition of a word and expect it to remain coherent and meaningful.

[Juxtapose]

George Carlin is a wonderful manifestation of liberalism and liberalism is I have always understood it is incredibly critical of the establishment and traditional social structures.

[Juxtapose]

*as I have

[OddBeMe]

There you go. Your understanding of “liberalism” is different than mine, and probably most liberals.

Thats why when debating, best to go with the definition with least assumptions is best. What’s that called…Occam’s straight razor to the gonads.

[Juxtapose]

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law."

Anything that involves individualistic rights and consent of the governed is going to have a lot of grievance with an authoritarian government and culture. How is that a surprise to anyone that liberalism is going to be anti-establishment?

[Juxtapose]

Your understanding of the left is very strange to me.

Wokeism is not liberal. You are a different brand of leftist.

[OddBeMe]

I thing in your definition (which I agree with) is anti establishment. Thts you saddling your own bullshit.

Today’s Republican Party are more akin to anarchy and antiestablishment. Trump is nothing but anti establishment. At least establishments he doesn’t like.

He skeletonized the govt during his tenure- either by design or laziness. Thats how Covid slipped in.

[OddBeMe]

*nothing
Not “I thing”

[Juxtapose]

Trump is not really anti-establishment, he wants to empower the police against criminal liability when if anything they should be more open to liability. He wants to severely punish drug dealers, etc. the guy is not some anti-establishment hippie, he just doesn't like woke bullshit and is willing to cut that out of the government. Do you really think he's going to start cutting down the military?

The government is way too bloated and spends trillions on utter nonsense.

[OddBeMe]

That’s funny cuz he wants to release the Jan 6ers who beat cops and killed two of them.

[Juxtapose]

Old school liberals are essentially very similar to libertarians that don't let corporations fuck people over and they don't have conservative social values.

[Juxtapose]

Yeah I don't believe you. You believe the cops who died via "suicide" weren't killed off by the deep state. Really? Those cops just happened to commit suicide for some odd reason? Give me a break.

[OddBeMe]

I’ll admit I think politics is a circle. This Hitler (right) and Stalin (left) would be at the bottom. Liberals and libertarians would be closer than average right wing and average left wing.

[Juxtapose]

But to avoid making this about Trump or that stupid January 6th bullshit, let's go back on topic.

Liberalism is very anti-establishment and that is a very good thing. It is very healthy to be skeptical of the establishment and critical of the establishment.

[OddBeMe]

Average being the 3 and 9 o’clock positions

[OddBeMe]

Maybe.. but it is a right wing stance, liberal today is a left wing stance.

[Juxtapose]

No, liberalism when I was a kid is still liberalism today. I don't give a damn what these amateurs who don't even know the proper definition of these terms say.

[OddBeMe]

I read once that words don’t have meanings or definitions only usages.

But you are wedded to old school bullshit that doesn’t apply to today’s politics. Bernie is about as “liberal” as you can get and he ks very pro-establishment…at least not wanting to wreck shit.

[Juxtapose]

Well you once read bullshit then. Words have clear definitions and muddling those definitions attacks the fabric of human communication itself.

Bernie was as close to liberal as you could get before he was forced to bend the knee to Hillary. He's a bit more Marxist than your typical liberal should be but better than that fake ass Obama.

[OddBeMe]

I don't know, we are at an impasse on the usage of liberalism to define today’s politics. Thats the best we can do.

[Juxtapose]

We are not, people like you are trying to redefine terms that do not need to be redefined.

[OddBeMe]

I’m not trying to redefine ironically. The definition you gave above I 100% agree with. It’s the shit after I have a problem with. See you’re adding your keywords or ideas. Stick to the exact definition and we’ll be fine.

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

Huh…”before the law”. Thts pretty pro establishment.

[Juxtapose]

No, it's not. It's recognizing that the law should reflect what should be. Being pro-establishment is sitting on your hands and saying the elites know best.

[OddBeMe]

Ok then it’s pro-establishment definition we have a problem with. I see establishment is the opposite of anarchy (no establishment)

Being anti establishment means sewing chaos. You could say a legislation goes against the “establishment” but that’s just one thing. See?

[Juxtapose]

The establishment is chaos because by it's very nature organizations become corrupt and slowly crawl towards anarcho tyranny that will lead to a dystopian hellhole. Liberals and other anti-establishment people serve an important function in that they are supposed to check that slow crawl towards dystopian destruction by giving power back to the people.

[Juxtapose]

*its

[OddBeMe]

Sigh…again you’re adding your own bullshit into basic defintions. Even if there’s corruption it’s still the establishment.

[strateguy632]

in that world yes

[Juxtapose]

Irl too in my opinion.

[strateguy632]

in my scool everything was opposite from that:
not prison we walked off campus for lunch break. didn't you?
not enslaved we could play in the gym at breaks. but i was the only one in the empty gym! but others could.
not "staring" glaze eyes, nor a "superior" just another human. not a "super boring way" teachers paced the room and involved the students.
classes were about useful foundations for future options... not "nobody cared about" but i admit much was "dry" and most kids were too lazy to care.
school was NEVER about "authority" it was about remembering stuff for tests. that vast range of topics gives future options for various college courses in many possible fields.
we even learnt that the alternative to scool used to be child labor at factories! so sitting in a classroom is better.

[jshm2]

It's a joke game, dummy.

[Juxtapose]

It isn't a game xD

[Juxtapose]

It's a YouTube video promoting a web comic.

[Juxtapose]

I just took screenshots.

[DJB72]

Spot on.

[Dongie]

Could be.