If an abortion doesn't cause pain for a fetus, then why does anyone care if a women has an abortion?

[Anonymous]

[WhiteSteve]

I think most folks who object are religiously-minded, and to them, humans are the premiere species on earth, everything else in existence only exists to sustain us or sustain that which gives us sustenance, and there’s no such thing as “too many humans.” It’s just a very self-aggrandizing perspective on the human species, just that literally everything is about us. Like humanity flourishing to the utmost extreme, even at the expense of whatever or whoever else, is the endgame, and we’re absolutely fucked if we let that take over.

That said, I don’t view abortion as a means of birth control, per se. I’m just saying life happens, humans are gonna fuck no matter how much you tell us not to or to only do it in certain circumstances, and not everyone wants a baby. “Don’t have sex if you don’t want a baby”…. great idea, let me know if you ever have even a shred of confidence that this will deter anyone in any significant way, lmao. And frankly, if you aren’t all-in on raising a child, I think it’s better for you AND the child that that child just doesn’t exist. Miss me with the adoption thing…. if we force all the births to happen, there simply aren’t enough people looking to adopt to warrant that level of supply. There aren’t enough as it is.

Bottom line: human beings are fucking OVERRATED, lmfao. The clip of reproduction we’ve been at since The Industrial Revolution is UNSUSTAINABLE. Again, I’m not calling for any exterminations, but if someone wants to pitch in and NOT add more humans to the mix, those are the real heroes, lmao.

I want all the pro-lifers to remember that that unborn baby you’re screaming into a megaphone about, in 20 years, they’re going to just be another idiot adult who’s pissing you off. They’ll be “one of these worthless kids from the younger generation”, or just that slob with their asscrack sticking out of their stained sweatpants in line in front of you at Walmart, or the asshole who cut you off on the highway, or the guy who had to be super particular in front of you about his order at Dunkin’ Donuts and it made you late for work. They’re not the cute little kid with a head too big for their body that has on cute little overalls and tiny shoes, and they wobble and fall down and say silly things that warm your heart…. we were all that kid once. And now, look at us😂😂😂 Disgusting, lmfao.

Overall, we just can’t let religion inform our political policy or societal norms. Not everyone is on board with it, so if it can’t be uniform, it can’t be a thing. Don’t vote based on if you like it or not, vote based upon real-life impact and free of romanticized ideas of who an aborted fetus MIGHT HAVE grown up to be.

For me, it’s just an issue of choice, and minding your own business. I also thing the issue has been hijacked and BADLY mischaracterized by the right wing to emotionally recruit voters who right wing policies may not truly benefit, so they need to get them on some other issue they feel passionately about. Like if you think these nine-month abortions are happening in reality, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you, and I’ll throw in the Golden Gate Bridge for half-price. That’s just designed to emotionally appeal to people and get them to vote on outrage. Most abortions happen in the first or early second trimester. This idea that a full baby is being pulled out and dismembered at 8 months and 29 days because mom crunched the numbers and decided it was either abort the baby or cancel her subscription to Netflix…I mean, holy fuck, what ELSE do you believe?😂😂😂 What an absolutely preposterous lie to bite on, holy smokes, you guys💀💀💀

Anyway, I’m rambling, but the key word here is: disingenuous. The whole anti-abortion movement is disingenuous. I can buy having an objection, we all have opinions, but it feels like they try to paint it in as horrifying a manner possible to influence people, rather than just presenting facts and letting people make up their own minds. Getting the win is more important to them than to being honest. Honestly, most of them are probably just badly misinformed and believe this stuff to be true, so maybe their hearts are coming from a decent place but they simply don’t know what they’re talking about. I think there’s a lot of that going on with many of the big buzzword issues today.

Having a baby is a big deal and changes your life, not always for the better. I’ll always defer to the already-alive person if it comes down to one or the other. You could’ve aborted me up to about 2 1/2 years old and I’d have been none the wiser, lmao. I’m glad I’m here, but if I wasn’t…them’s the breaks. And what I think doesn’t even matter, it’s about what’s best for humanity at-large, and more so, for Earth, which is infinitely more important than the human species. So much of this is based in our own self-importance, really, lmao, like I said, we’re wildly overrated as beings😂

I don’t really like the “strict father” mentality some people have, the ones who say “you made your bed, now lay in it and like it”, almost gleefully, it’s fucking WEIRD. Why are you so hung up on whether or not other people take responsibility for their actions? Mind your fucking business, what the fuck? Very, very weird way to live one’s life. I think people get some sort of psychological boost by feeling superior for a brief moment in their probably-sad lives by pointing a finger at others’ perceived shortcomings, and they feel like a boss telling them to “deal with it.” Humans are pathetic, honestly🙄😂

[monorprise]

@WhiteSteve You sound like you really don't like people, and only care about yourself to an extreme degree.

You do not need to be religion to recognize all life on earth desires to remain living. This is the single constant that drives all life forward no matter how small.

For a lifeforms to kill itself or desire to be killed something has to be very wrong.
Thus the question of killing anther life is a question of that lifeforms relativist right to live.

It is indeed a religious or "moral" believe that enables you to judge any life form humans or otherwise unworthy of its right to life relativist to your own desires. The fact that we don't draw the line in the same place you do does not mean our believe is any less valid.

I for one see no signficance to that very much arbitrary barrier of birth which most life on this planet ever even has. I draw the line at humanity as defined by a % share of human DNA. Not some metaphysical idea of developmental complexity. After all we are a not all always soo complex and yet we do not surrender that right to life for want of it.

Unless you want people to shoot you because you failed to protest in your sleep a consistent and simple rule needs to be applied.

[WhiteSteve]

@monorprise It’s just about numbers, man. We rigged the system and have cheated our way into overpopulation. There shouldn’t be 7 billion of us, that’s too many humans relative to our importance to Earth’s ecosystem. We’re overstepping our boundaries. And if you understand pyramid schemes, you’ll understand that we’re in danger of encroaching even more upon other species who are in no way less important than our own. We can’t lose sight of that, this isn’t The Human Show. We’re the main character to ourselves and ourselves only, so we need to remain conscious of that and stay in our lane. We can’t just have infinity humans, because we bred too much and on the death end, we cured or created vaccines for diseases simply because death scares us or makes us sad when it happens to our grandma. We can’t do that, man, not without something giving on the birthing end. Humanity needs AT LEAST a 50% reduction worldwide, which obviously I don’t want to see carried out poorly, nor do I want to make abortion a thing we do to achieve that, I’m just saying that anything, intentional or accidental, that moves us in that direction is a win for Earth. And I’m rooting for Earth, not humanity. Humanity is just one player on Earth’s roster.

[monorprise]

@WhiteSteve
So it seems you really do dislike humans in rooting for other over us as suspected. Your end goal is a reduction of our numbers but you do so in birth-control primarily among those humans most likely to share your concerns and be capable of dealing with them.

As such your efforts are entirely elf-defeating. If we humans are to be an asset to all other life on earth we need our most industrious and intelligent members to be multiplying the most not the least. It is that population alone that will be able to leave earth and live elsewhere.

For it is that population alone that can do the complex jobs required to survive without Earth's ecosystem of support. The current route will abandon your cause and destroy earth within generations as a direct result of whom is doing all the breeding.

The other problem with the current route is with the duming down of humanity the very innovation that allows us to protect other life and use less is slowed.

We have to figure out how to get industrial people to breed if humanity and the rest of life on earth is to have any chance. We cannot keep distorting that population while selecting for everyone who can't be industrious.

[WhiteSteve]

@monorprise Respectfully, your entire mentality seems to revolve around humans being the lead actor on Earth, and that we have some sort of stewardship over other species and Earth as a whole. I don’t believe that at all. Earth and nature are the stewards of all of us. They run us, we don’t run them.

Like when we decide there are too many deer and we increase hunting tag limits? What? What’s the problem with too many deer? They encroach on humanity, that’s the problem. We worry we’ll wreck our cars and get injured or killed if we hit one or swerve to avoid it. But is the deer what’s not supposed to be there? Or is it the metal object traveling 40+ mph down an asphalt track that was unnaturally placed through what was once (and still should be) wilderness. WE encroach on THEM, don’t get that twisted.

The real problem that would pose would probably be vegetation related, they’d eat all of some kind of tree or bush or grass or whatever, and deplete the population. But guess what? Nature has a plan for that? Next year, there’s nothing to eat, and most of the deer will relocate or die. And over the next century and 15-20 generations of deer, that flora will naturally replenish and the cycle will begin again. Humans are supremely arrogant to believe we need to insert ourselves into that process, or to be offended by it going on in our vicinity. That’s what I mean by staying in our lane. And why do we not keep the same energy for humanity and other species? Obviously we have an instinct to self-preserve, but we shouldn't have an instinct to dominate absolutely everything. Nature doesn’t run through humanity, I can’t even entertain that idea.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I wish I could upvote this reply.

[monorprise]

@WhiteSteve It is true I am biased towards humans over animals and not afraid of that fact as was nearly every other lifeforms in history being that it is a necessity of being alive.

This is not to say that I don't see animals as having some value but that value must by necessity take a backseat to human well-being.

It is also logically inescapable that in the long run no animal on earth has any chance of survival without human prosperity as we are the only species with any potential of saving them from otherwise inevitable extinction.

Whether by force of inevitable change over time (including the end of the Sun in 5 billion years, and loss of much of the magnetosphere and thus atmosphere in about half a billion years), or simply competition even from non-human life. These non-humans life will cease to exist without human aid.
We may be their greatest threat but we are also their only chance for survival.

So yes we are indeed their guardian for they have no other.

[Daniela1982]

@WhiteSteve If someone doesn't want a baby there are options that unselfish parents would take. Don't have sex as accidents happen. Or have a vasectomy or tubes tied, or a hysterectomy. Then you can fuck like rabbits all that you want and not have to worry about an unplanned pregnancy.

[SomothErgai]

The entirety of the issue rests on several factors and where you come down on them.

The first is personhood. It's the fact that you are a person that makes it wrong to kill you for no good reason. It is utterly irrelevant if I can kill you painlessly. Suppose I could guarantee that I can kill with zero pain. My guess is you would still object on the grounds that you are a person and as such have a fundamental inalienable right to life.

The second is what constitutes personhood. What facts must be true in order to grant you the title of person. And to that end, at what stage of development should we grant that title to a developing embryo.

The third is the consideration that there are indeed circumstances where even a person can be killed provided the kill can be justified. Such as self defense, war, death penalty etc.

The fourth is the issue of bodily autonomy. To what extent are we free to do as we please with our bodies. The answer to this is not as clear or obvious as many people seem to reflexively assume. You may not let someone cut your arms off, or kill you, or enter yourself into gladiator style fights to the death. If a policeman walked up on you trying to saw off an arm he would have a legal and moral duty to stop you. And we would not permit a doctor to do it for you for no good reason.

The fifth is indeed the issue of what we permit doctors to do to people at their request. To what extent do we allow doctors to perform elective surgeries? Should we allow doctors to mutilate people just because they want them too? How far are we really willing to allow doctors to go.

There are many other issues but I don't feel like writing anymore.

Where you come down on these will determine whether or not you think abortion should be acceptable.

[PeachyPie93]

I don't get why people care so much. Did you ever think not every child wants to be born? Like had my parents aborted me I wouldn't have cared, life is one of the worst punishments you could give to a person, unless you are rich. Literally if someone killed me now I wouldn't care. 2 years ago I was doing risky things hoping to die or be killed.

Also take my mom for instance she was born, her mother died when she was 2. Then she was given away for adoption. Her adoptive mother beat her and her adoptive father and uncles molested her. She left home at 15, hung out with bikers and other crazy people. She grew up with many issues and had us kids solely to love her. Wouldn't it have been better to just abort her so she wouldn't of had to live through that horrible childhood and then had us and put us through a tough childhood too because she was so damaged?

If someone can't provide everything needed for their child to have a happy life, I think you should abort. Since I know I sure it is the more humane thing to do. Clearly people who tell people not to abort have never lived a hard life so really they shouldn't have a say it the matter at all.

[PeachyPie93]

*Since I know for sure

[theycallme_jd]

I think life is pain too but I would never go around doing mass murders because life is pain. Jeez you're messed up. You think wars did good to people? You think school shootings did good to people? Imagine going up to a depressed kid and killing him/her because they don't like life anyway, and then reason with the world. I'm unable to emphasize how twisted this idea is.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd Well we think differently. But I defo do not see a fetus as a person.
No because lots of those people have decent lives and don't want to die but if you never lived you aren't missing out on anything.

[theycallme_jd]

Murder isn't a solution, even if it changes nothing to the person. I'm not sure whether the fetus is a person but murder is never a solution. They're better to the movies like Thanos doing a favour killing half of the world's population.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd What if that baby grew up wrong and went on to do mass murder at a school and your child was killed instead?

[theycallme_jd]

Or what if the baby grew up right and my kid and him became best friends? You realise how specific your example is?

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd Yeah but you realize most kids that are not wanted, hence someone going for abortion will not get the best life especially if they have a single mother. Most serial killers are raised by single mothers.

[theycallme_jd]

I'm not even talking about abortion here. You speak of babies growing wrong and becoming serial killers. Yes the world is messed up but we need to give them a chance as much as you think of the bad consequences. Every child that grows up either does good to the society or bad. Stop humans altogether? I mean I would love it cuz humans have done nothing for the world, but only for themselves in all these years. But being practical I wouldn't want to start murdering people because they're no good. I wouldn't reach my Thanos arc while I have my sense.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd If you are actually 18 you are only hopeful because you are so young. Live a bit more and the world being nuked doesn't seem so bad.

[theycallme_jd]

I am not hopeful. I've seen a lot and I lost faith too. But for that reason I wouldn't reduce to the level of the cruel. I would do my part of being the best human.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd its not cruel it is mercy.

[PeachyPie93]

I'm not actually super serious, but I don't see a fetus as a baby or a person that is all it is.
But if the government or people actually cared about this not happening they would make unwed fornication illegal. They don't so there will always be dumb hoes getting knocked up.

[theycallme_jd]

I'm really getting convinced you must be a secret follower of Thanos. Yes it brings somewhat of a good but that isn't the best way mate.

[theycallme_jd]

I'll be glad if you actually aren't serious.
I'm not sure whether a fetus is a person. Yes the government doesn't care, and yes people irresponsibly mess around because of this. You're right.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd LOL I never watched that movie I don't really like marvel or DC movies.
Well how could you stop all these unwanted babies from being conceived?
Really I don't get why people do not just use Plan B that worked every time for me.

[theycallme_jd]

Well I don't either but yeah I do know the general idea that Thanos thinks he's doing good by wiping out half the poulation.
How to stop babies from being conceived? Be responsible for your actions. Maturity comes a long way. For both the guy and the girl.
What's plan B?

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd But so many people don't be responsible. Since there are sooooo many people going for abortions. Some people are just dumb, like those people who think you can't get pregnant the first time or whatever stupid reason.

Its a day after pill, it stops the egg from implanting so you don't get knocked up.

[theycallme_jd]

People don't be responsible doesn't mean it's okay. It must change. Do we accept misogyny in the East because we don't see a change? No, we seek for a change. But to be practical, yes people are dumb, and so these options must exist else we'll see crazy outcomes. But they're still dumb nonetheless.

[PeachyPie93]

@theycallme_jd Well yes I think it should stop but there has always been abortions even back in the day the illegal ones where the woman would die from it. So it will always happen, but what about people who get raped do you think they should have to birth their rapists baby?

[PeachyPie93]

Or if it was incest molestation to a 12 year old should they have to have it?

[theycallme_jd]

I know about this point of view too, just that it wasn't in the topic yet. In this case yes I'm very supportive of abortion.

[Unit1]

I concur with you on very many levels. Life is shit unless we were born rich. Death is preferred. Abortion is literally a service. I wish i wasn't born.

[PeachyPie93]

@Unit1 Finally someone who agrees lol

[Unit1]

Finally someone, that said it and doesn't conform to the opinions of the other matrix agents, that gaslight us.

[PeachyPie93]

@Unit1 Of course.

[Daniela1982]

Who said an abortion doesn't cause pain? I don't think anyone has ever survived an abortion for a first-hand experience. If someone does not want to get pregnant there are a number of things they can do to avoid it. Not doing these and relying on an abortion as their birth control makes them selfish dicks.

[MzAsh]

Some believe birth is a consequence or “punishment” of sex. It’s pretty clear when some of them say abortion is wrong except for in cases where the woman was raped. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong either way, right? Well, that really reveals their logic.

[OlderAndWiser]

If I can kill you with you suffering pain, should anyone care?

[patois]

For the same reason people care if Jews or Blacks are executed. If you can't hear their cries in a concentration camp as they are executed and loaded into mass graves, it still matters in any country that has a moral compass. People have a right to life regardless of who they are which can not be take from them without due process of law. When people murder other people, the general consensus is that an eye for an eye might be up for discussion, but executing people randomly without cause is not acceptable to most people. If you're OK with executing helpless children that have not even had the chance to wrong anyone yet, then you're obviously OK with rounding up and executing anyone and everyone that is a minor inconvenience to you. That guy has the wrong color shirt on him, put a bullet in his head. That woman gained two pound, hang her from a lamp post. Clearly civilization can't survive with people like you in it. People have to have some level of respect for human life in order to live among one another.

[Lliam]

I think people who object to any abortion do so for religious reasons. They think that life begins at conception. Those people are primitive, authoritarian, and have a Biblically inspired, patriarchal attitude toward women.

I, personally, have zero problem with the morning after pill or with chemical abortion that can be performed up to 8 weeks after her last period. At that point, the fetus isn't formed enough to have a nervous system or any consciousness.

I do have a major problem with late term abortion unless it's for a medical emergency.

And I have a major problem with idiots who engage in serial abortion as a means of birth control.

[strateguy632]

mainly for the victim but... wadya mean pain less?

according to health dot gov the fetus can feel pain in first trimester... while pro-death lie that a fetus can't feel pain to rely on your idea! "pain perception via via the thalamus as early as 7–8 weeks gestation". https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8935428/

guess what SEA URCHIN animals lack brain but have a nervous system to feel and feel pain.

[Anonymous]

It easy to kill anyone without causing said person pain. Indeed being shot in the head is almost certainly painless in most cases with instant death, as is lethal injection.

Where do you get this stick idea that everything is about pain? Your ability to be warned of damage is not related to the underling problem of said damage to your life.

Likewise a baby for a very long time has no idea of the consequences of his or her actions.

Thou we can presume they fear death as all life regardless of how small does in its efforts to avoid it to the limits of it's capability.

That does not mean it understands how, this is in fact the point of having a parent to protect you until you do. A fact that makes the betrayal of abortion only all the more cruel.

[Lliam]

What about the morning after pill or chemical abortion before 8 weeks? The fetus has no consciousness.

[strateguy632]

true, it is not about pain, but when it can feel pain it is worse so that is a compromise suggestiion allow abortion until it can feel pain.

[PavlovsCogk]

What do you do if the baby is suicidal? You give it health care! Specifically, MAID (medical assistance in dying).

[Opinion Owner]

@Lliam Neither does many adults at certant periods of the day and with certant medical conditions. Hopefully both are temporary conditions and that is what makes you sentient entitled to the equal protection of the laws.

[Opinion Owner]

@PavlovsCogk Until a life form is able to express that desire in an informed way of which a child below the age of 25 is almost by definition not capable. Lacking the maturity and experience to make such a judgement the issue needs to be treated as a mental illness as it would naturally be in any life form.

[Opinion Owner]

@strateguy632 I don't the ability to be forewarned of injury as being relevant to the injustice of said injury much less its undesirability.

Nor do I see you compromising on your own right to life so what right do you have to demand someone else compromise for theirs?
Regardless if your going to make a rule without someone else's consent. Then the least you can do is give equal application of said rule. As such if a person would consent to be killed to avoid anther taking responsibility for the situation they put said person in.

Then that should apply to everyone equally. We all after all are suppose to at least have equal application of the law.

That is to say until a would be mother consents to be killed to avoid a man taking responsibility for what he did to her, she has no right to ask the same of her child.

Searching for a arbitrary standard of distinction as to give you superior rights over anther is just searching for a justification for getting what you want at their expense. Given you were once as they were there is no justification for said distinction at all.

[Lliam]

@monorprise. That's convoluted, pseudo-legalistic gobbledygook. Do you expect with win arguments with that?
Besides, a fetus that's only 8 or 12 weeks along isn't a somebody. It has no consciousness.

[PavlovsCogk]

Obviously I was just fucking around. And now I got to think that a soul freshy incarnated would still have fresh memories of what it's like to not have a body and shit. No soul would enter the body if they had a better choice. So yes it's commonsensical that souls are present throughout development, and still, it is the whore's choice what she does with her body. If they decide to harm herself and the infant then the government is NOT to be involved punishing her, she already punished herself enough. And of course the implications extend far beyond physical pain.

[Lliam]

@PavlovsCogk. Sure. The only possible reason a woman would wind up with an unwanted pregnancy would be if she was a whore.
If you have no respect for women then you can't possibly respect human life.
You, yourself, are not worthy of respect.
You're a waste of time.

[PavlovsCogk]

@Lliam it's fucking hilarious. I wasn't sure whether to expect you to be triggered by a mere interjection of 'whore'. I'm sure you did not read beyond that word, and that's so disrespectful! There! See! I said "government should NOT be involved punishing". If any woman read that part, well, I would expect them to think "oh, I like being called a whore, makes me sexy, but at the end the most important part is that he doesn't want the government involved."

[Smashingdoozy]

The only logical reason I have ever heard for not having an abortion is " I want to have a baby".

[CriticalCatDad123]

Maybe because it’s not just her child she’d be preventing from living a life? Women love to forget about their partners. It’s as if women believe the child is hers and only hers. This is why I’m never having kids apart from the fact that I’m asexual. Sorry but women are selfish as f*ck

[DrPepper12]

Irrelevant for me. Most abortions are via pill within 8 weeks of fertilization and not a D&C so question of pain doesn't come up. If the fetus is so far along that pain would be a certainty I would feel remorse but still go through with the procedure because they only do necessary, not elective, abortions in that instance and I'm 💯 for the life and autonomy of the mother. Cue the attacks in 3... 2... 1...

[genericname85]

i think the problem really is that we don't know when exactly we should consider a lump of cells to be "human" with the associated legal human rights. there's a bunch of stupid arguments floating in the space of this entire discussion and i think the level this discussion takes place on shows that human minds are still stuck in the stone ages.

[strateguy632]

your OWN words lump of cells by the third week it more complex than a lump of cells! if you can abort a lump of cells than can't from 3rd week!

[hellothere90]

If the fetus is able to survive outside of the womb then that should be the cut off point. It's wrong to kill it after this point. Why? Because its a human life. You created it by having sex but now want to end its life? No. That's wrong.

[exitseven]

who says it does not cause pain. ? How would you like a to have the back of your skull punctured and have your brain sucked out by a vacuum cleaner?

[Lliam]

What about the morning after pill or chemical abortion before 8 weeks? The fetus has no consciousness.

[exitseven]

@Lliam that is true but many times the baby is old enough to be born and can feel pain.

[Lliam]

@exitseven. And I have a problem with later-term abortion for that reason, unless it is due to medical reasons.
I also have a problem with women who engage in serial abortion as a means of birth control.

[exitseven]

@Lliam I know somebody who had twins that were born 8 weeks premature. These were tiny babies but they could squeeze your finger if you stuck it in the incubator. There is no way these little babies did not feel pain. Then I thought about how these babies could just as easily haemve been aborted. Two years later and they are two healthy and happy boys.

[Lliam]

8 weeks after fertilization. Not 8 weeks before delivery.

[NaultD]

It is to punish women. Dowry is like selling farm animals. Look at the teeth, untouched vagina, able to breed. That is the reality people see dating..

[NamerOfStars]

Because murder is seen as wrong because it's unjust, not because it's violent. Would you not object to someone killing YOU if there was no pain involved?

[JacobJordan]

If you don't want to get pregnant don't have sex. Your poor choices don't give you a free pass for murder.

[IslaTheWitch]

because many people feel entitled to speak in her name and they care about her conscience... even if no one asked them for...

[LazerBean]

If someone wanted to kill you in a painless way, should we care even though it's painess?

[Asker]

If I had no memory like fetuses do, then I don't think I'd be conscious to care.

[LazerBean]

Obviously you would not have a memory of it, since you would be dead. So you are okay with someone killing you painlessly

[Asker]

I'm conscious, and have memories. A fetus doesn't, so to them, it would just be like they were never born.

[LazerBean]

You won't be conscious or have memories when you're dead. I guess you just want to keep the double standard tho, per usual

[Lliam]

What about the morning after pill or chemical abortion before 8 weeks? The fetus has no consciousness.

[LazerBean]

I don't know if you're asking me or OP, but I personally do not believe in abortion at any point

[purplepoppy]

Because they want to demonstrate allegiance to their political masters.

[DextroShade]

I get that it is the ending of a human life so I understand the prolife position, but I am an unapologetic eugenecist that believes abortion and/or sterilization should be mandatory for some.

[Agape93]

They want to control our bodies like they used to back when we were no better than chattel.

[grega239]

Because most abortions are because of carelessness.

Its not a contraceptive method, its an absolute last resort.

Thats my problem with it

[jahaims]

People aren't upset about it being painful or not. They get upset because it is killing a baby.

[tomboy2003]

Because they don’t want women to have bodily autonomy

[strateguy632]

wrong she can hav autonomy when LACK victim. she can cut off her own arm at home if she wants.

[tomboy2003]

Giving or removing the right to bodily autonomy depending on circumstances, is not real autonomy. If people have the right to do whatever they want with their bodies, they have it all the time.

[FuqUFggt]

Your question is wrong from the start. They do feel pain. Excruciating pain as they are butchered. The real question is why Don you care?

[Uservane]

I doubt your first premise. And also women have very high control to prevent it getting to that point so allowing it to get to that point is just very evil/stupid on their part.

[Anonymous]

Religious control isn't interested in pain. It's interested in control.

[Anonymous]

Because she’s a woman.
And she had sex.

It’s not about the fetus.

[Anonymous]

Would you love to die if I promise to kill you painlessly?

[PeachyPie93]

Of course.

[laly520]

it isn't about pain

[MrDaveAPSI]

Because christians think it's murder

Which is really just an white supremacist trope

[In_Trance]

For the most part it's because media tells people to care

[Twalli]

Because they don't like other people yo have choices

[Yabbut]

How does anyone know it doesn't?

[BarryLiverstone]

Because killing an innocent person is wrong

[Lliam]

When is a fetus a "person", at conception?

[BarryLiverstone]

Sure wish I knew when. It’s a debated topic and I’m not a doctor

[Anonymous]

Do you think Democrats care about the pain?

[Pterodon]

We know they can feel pain

[Unit1]

right? 🙄