True or False: Nationalism + Militarism + Populism = Fascism?

[OtterMan68]

True

False

Can be either depending on other factors

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+1 y

Nationalism, ideology based on the premise that the individual’s loyalty and devotion to the nation-state surpass other individual or group interests.

Militarism is the belief or the desire of a government or a people that a state should maintain a strong military capability and to use it aggressively to expand national interests and/or values

Populism, political program or movement that champions, or claims to champion, the common person opposed to an "establishment" or "elites"

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+1 y

Can you PLEASE explain your vote in detail?

[strateguy632]

false way off. fascism mainly means intolerant of differences.

examples of fascism intolerance: is when atheists mock relgious n call names like "dullards or delusion" as intolerant of the different opinion.

fascist governing is dictator in picture. meaning brutal and tyrany.

we need paper dictionary for people who mess with definition or misuse words

brutal like threatening people for not saying the desired pronoun.

nationalism is LOYALTY not "surpass" just loyal to your nation in paper dictionary... STOP messing with definition!

we are expected to be loyal if not nationalist then a traitor.

[OtterMan68]

I used the encyclopedia definition.

[Syntosi]

Sort of. Its a bit more complicated than that but it definitely holds true for the broad strokes.

[exitseven]

democrats take something like nationalism which is basically love of one's country and somehow make it look like a bad thing. The same with populism and being a Christian. Real fascism is when you throw your political opposition in prison for 30 years without a trial. Real fascism is when opposing candidates are imprisoned for simply challenging the party in power.

[OtterMan68]

fascism equates patriotism with supporting the leader and his party. Which party says if you don't vote for their guy, you're a traitor?

[exitseven]

@OtterMan68 The democrats are the real fascists. Anyone that cannot see that need to go back to school.

[OtterMan68]

so it's the democrats associating patriotism with the support of a candidate and party? It's the democrats calling for more military spending? It's the democrats calling for media companies to lose their licenses if they aren't more favorable to their candidate? It's the democrat governors taking control of education away from local control and turning it over to the state? It's the democrats who want to teach "patriotic education" and punish people for not standing for the pledge of allegiance or national anthem?

[strateguy632]

to exit, correct suppress opposition like taking trump off BALLOTS that fascism.

[DrPepper12]

@strateguy632 if he's under 35 would you be ok with taking him off the ballot? It's just a requirement of office where it's JUSTICABLE whether he meets it. That's all.

[handsomelad70]

One hundred percent (or least 99.777775%) YES !!!

[strateguy632]

nope fascist is dictator brutality open a paper dictionary.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know. Is China fascist? Was the Soviet Union fascist?

[OtterMan68]

they share things in common with fascism, but not the economic parts, and I'd argue that they didn't rely on populism as much as fear and intimidation.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Since when did fascism have anything to do with economics?

[OtterMan68]

Fascism allows private property and free enterprise, at least on a local level, though it may take over large industries to produce for the military.
This is what separates it from communism

[WhiteBoyChill]

Fascism still guarantees more rights than communism though 🤷‍♂️

[OtterMan68]

economic rights maybe, but not civil liberties.

[WhiteBoyChill]

No, communism doesn’t give people civil liberties either

[OtterMan68]

that's what I said. Fascism give more economic rights than communism, but not civil liberties. Neither honors those

[DrPepper12]

In 9:10 cases abso-fuckin-lutely

[NathanDavis]

nope... never been that simple

[OtterMan68]

why not?

[NathanDavis]

because you're missing key elements...

[handsomelad70]

Such as?

[normalice]

I would say religious or racial nationalism

[OtterMan68]

would that explain Italy or Spain when they went fascist?

[normalice]

I don't know enough about that history but from. What I recall yes they were super racist.

Although, once a fascist nation starts to dominate, it isn't quite the same for nations that join them, as joining them could ultimately be viewed as the best defense against them.

[OtterMan68]

both countries were also pretty homogeneous

[normalice]

Oh, and not just racist but very catholic. Religious (and racial) nationalism is a catalyst that makes selling fascism to the dumbest elements of the consttuency much easier. It is possible to have fascism without it but much harder.

[normalice]

Yeah, that checks. It's easier to sell theoretical fear of foreigners to people who have no practical history with them.

[OtterMan68]

exactly, there were no large religious minorities to focus any anger or blame on. Italy did invade Eithiopia, but they also invaded Albania prior to WWII. Spain stayed neutral during the war.

[RebelinSteel]

False

[OtterMan68]

Why?

[RebelinSteel]

The use of populism more than anything.
I’ve seen this bollox used by fuckwits in the US to try to comment on US politics, which is just fucking stupid to a ridiculous degree,
Anyone populism and Facism, it’s a bastardisation of populism that is claimed by fascism.
Hitler was pushed in to power by the Elites.

Also your use of Nationalism and Militarism are flawed, France, Great Britain in 1914.
And actually leading up to then, there was no ‘ use it aggressively to expand national interests and/or values’
Also tbh, a person can be nationalistic and come together with that sense of nationalism but have other firm beliefs.

[OtterMan68]

The sun never sets on the British Empire.
The French were still steaming over Franco-Prussian War humilliation.
Nationalism was on the rise.

[OtterMan68]

and there was an arms race between Britain and Germany prior to WWII, especially naval.

[RebelinSteel]

Yes exactly, all of which were not examples of your statements.

[msc545]

Mostly true