Is Nationalism The Exact Opposite Of Patriotism?

[ladsin]

https://nyti.ms/2z7PoaV

Yes, It Really Is

No, That's Nonsensical

Other

Haha, that's why your people are staging a coup.

[0112358]

In theory, no, in practice, it sort of can be. If one of the elements of national pride is a national commitment to diversity, tolerance, a global worldview, and being a global leader of the world, then insular nationalism is in some ways a reversal of that.

I'd guess that for some who consider themselves French patriots, they both wish to preserve the open tolerance they see as a core part of the French ideal, and they also view nationalists as cowards, who seem terrified French culture and values will vanish in contact with the world. This must seem very strange to those who think back of France's global influence and how directly and indirectly French values have spread to so much of the world, to suddenly be afraid that immigrants will mean the end of it.

[englisc]

Definitions:

Patriotism:
"the quality of being patriotic; vigorous support for one's country."

Nationalism:
"patriotic feeling, principles, or efforts."

"advocacy of political independence for a particular country."

They mean the same thing. There are different forms of nationalism however:

Ethno-nationalism: nation defined in terms of ethnicity

Civic nationalism: nation defined in terms of shared values, not based on ethnicity

[LittleBird_]

Nope, actually they are on the same side but nationalism is a lot more extreme.
Macron is talking bs.

[Guanfei]

He always is. I still don't know why people around the world think he's a good president.

[RachelleDraws]

No, Nationalism is an extension of patriotism, albeit, a more extreme, and in my opinion, more negative.

[madhatters4]

not necessarily but it could be. they aren't really comparable in terms of being opposites. the antonym of nationalism is more closely related to globalism

patriotism can be characteristic of those who support either nationalism or globalism

[Stoner710]

No Nationalism is a more extreme form of patriotism.

Example
Think of a guy named Jim and he says I love my country and I will do anything to defend it. Patriotism

Now think Phil say I love my country I will do anything for it this is the best nation on earth and if you not from_____________(insert country here) your not as good as me. That’s nationalism

Now everyone would agree that patriotism Is a good thing. There is debt about nationalism being a good thing. I would say it would depend on the situation

Nationalism can be a good thing. E. g look at back in the late 1700s in Greece. A wave of nationalism, the Greek started educating themselves about there national history and a wave of nationalism swept over the country and a war started against the ottomans so that Greece could become a country. It’s the same for Serbia Bulgaria Romania and other Balkan countries. With out that nationalism they would never have gained there freedom from the Turkish empire. Serbia nationalism didn’t die down which culminated into WW1.

Where it’s bad is in the case of Nazi germany nationalism took over when Hitler was in power and it could have been beneficial had Hitler not been war hungry. That’s when nationalism is a bad thing.

[Investigator]

"When talking about nationalism and patriotism, one cannot avoid the famous quotation by George Orwell, who said that nationalism is ‘the worst enemy of peace’. According to him, nationalism is a feeling that one’s country is superior to another in all respects, while patriotism is merely a feeling of admiration for a way of life. These concepts show that patriotism is passive by nature and nationalism can be a little aggressive."

Nationalism: Identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations

Patriotism: The quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country

I actually didn't think it was possible for someone to be THIS wrong. There are dictionaries in France, right? Did no one advise Macron to look up these terms before giving his speech or did they just want to enjoy watching him make a fool of himself?

Source (s):

1http://www. differencebetween. net/language/difference-between-nationalism-and-patriotism/

en. oxforddictionaries. com

[WalterRadio]

No, but the question is why one feels patriotic towards their country?

Is it because they share the ideals of the nation's founders, or is it because one is born where one's ancestors have always been through history?

Nations come about by one of a few ways. One common in Europe is that they are family holdings that are no longer totally controlled by the family. The US and a few other countries were formed by a compact of ideas. Others were formed because their colonial masters drew the lines on a map.

[Aynsof]

It is not the opposite no
But I understand the point that he is trying to make with what he is saying
He is trying to differentiate between different expressions of love of country so to speak define one as being positive and one being negative and he does arguably have a point in that regard
People don't often realise that the whole nationalism patriotism whatever thing was a concept that came up in the romance era it was actually originally a stance adopted by the higher social strata and spread downwards from there

[Steve_Case]

They are not exactly the same but they are pretty close. They both are in support of your own country and want their country to be the best. The one major difference as far as I am concerned is that Patriotism includes the act of sacrificing for ones own country. This does not mean that you have to serve in the armed forces to sacrifice for our country. The signers of the Declaration of Independence sacrificed just by signing it. They were mostly very rich individuals that put it all on the line when they signed it. Signing it was an act of treason against England at the time. John Hancock signed it in very large writing because he wanted to make sure they could read his name if it came down to it.

[Dargil]

Utter nonsense. Patriotism and Nationalism are virtually the same.
How can a globalist EU supporter understand either?
The Poles and Hungarians get it. The Italians are beginning to get it. Trump gets it. And, bless her radical heart, Marine LePen gets it.

[Calebng123]

No I would identify as either. My view is that we need separate countries because a globalist government would have too much control. Nobody elected the U. N. But they're slowly taking control. I'm Canadian by the way. But at the same time individual countries need to be kind and inclusive of taking in other people from other countries while still not sacrificing the culture.

[Sixgun77]

I agree with you up until your last point. There's no reason any country needs to be inclusive nor is any country under any kind of obligation to let ANYONE in.

[Calebng123]

I'm not saying there is any obligation to bring people in. I'm saying that those who are brought in ought to be treated well.

[Sixgun77]

That I can agree with. But the people being let in ought to assimilate, not attempt to change the country they enter.

[Calebng123]

That's why I said not sacrificing the culture. That's Canada's current problem. The amount of sexual assault has gone up like crazy in the last year. And the majority is Muslims. I'm not attacking Muslim people. I can respect them. But the ones coming from other countries where that type of stuff is okay need to be taught.

[Sixgun77]

Sorry to hear that. Best of luck up there

[Calebng123]

Yea it's getting quite rough. The prime minister promised he wouldn't accept any adult male Muslims into the country. But ended up doing so anyways. And one of these men killed a 13 year old in BC

[Exterminatore]

@Sixgun77

Well said.

[jacquesvol]

[ladsin]

Cool, thanks

[Anonymous]

Nationalism is only "bad" and the "opposite of patriotism" these days because Trump said something about being a Nationalist. The NPC's will go along with it too. People ignore facts and context so that they can believe what they want to believe, just so they can hate Trump, or whoever. I wish these people would get a grip. If everyone wasn't so devoted to a party and could think for themselves, and RESPECT other's political leanings and differences of opinion, we'd be doing a lot better.

The Democrats actually supported border security a few years ago, but now because Trump wants to actually do something about it, and he isn't one of them (or a traditional president for that matter), they flip flop and oppose it, and the government remains shut down. Completely asinine.

Sometimes you have to call it for what it is.

[tartaarsaus]

It's an extreme version of patriotism but politically it would make sense to define them as opposites. What Macron would be doing, if he says nationalism is the opposite of patriotism, is basically saying that Le Pen is opposite to the patriotism that the French love.

[Deathraider]

Nationalism is just an extreme form of patriotism.

I wonder, why do politicians have to play the patriotism bell to get voters? It's unfortunate that we as a society only vote for people that during the campaign, tell us that we're great, not make us reflect.

[Dems314]

Nationalism is a better word for kinda racist/xenophibic-ish
it means "hey i used to like it when everyone in france was white and wore a suit all day"
patriotism depends on the person, you can be both a nationalist (kinda racist) and a patriot.
to be a patriot is to like a country as is, and want to better it (if needed) or guard it (if perfect) the moment there's a change, maybe in the values of that country, your patriotism might fade and become nationalism.
but then you're called racist because you want it to go back before it got "better".

in short nationalism is what comes after patriotism fades.

[MarkRet]

Nationalism is usually the same as patriotism, but in some cases, it's a matter of perspective. If Kurds were patriotic, they'd be with the Turks, but the Kurds look after themselves, so they'd be nationalist.

[i3vestri]

By definition alone they are the same, but in the real world one is a LOT more extreme than the other. Patriotism is a love for your country and passion to improve upon it or see it improve. Nationalism is more extreme. They still love their country but they essentially want it to crush every other country in existence along with anyone who isn't as obsessed with their country as they are, like patriots.

[Anonymous]

They used to be very similar to each other two hundred years ago.

Use of the term in the 20th century tainted nationalism with negative associations.

Fundamentally, it’s just just loving your nation vs thinking that living in nations is good.

I think it’s starting to change in perception a bit recently. I think most people understand that liking that you’re living a nation state doesn’t mean you want to dominate other nations.

[name_is_eric]

Nationalism is the purest form of patriotism; loyalty and devotion to a nation, exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups.

[Jackpot1977]

No it is the exact same thing as patriotism. Liberals today try to make people think nationalism means Nazi or racist but it doesn't it just simply means you care about your country and countrymen above all else and there is nothing wrong with that.

[CuChullan]

The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does , and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does ; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility while the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to a war

[front2back]

Nationalism is the final form of patriotism. It is the logical conclusion.
Also, Nationalism is not inherently evil, it can be a very powerful tool to bring a nation's people together in times of war or crisis to keep carrying on.
European Union puppets such as Macron despise nationalism because it brings control back into the hands of a country's people rather than unelected officials in Brussels.