Who do you think gets discriminated against more black people or natives?

[massb]

Me and a native friend I had were talking about this and she said native people had to worse and are still having a hard time. But also they get reparations because they are native and don't get taxed. Also they can walk around and not have to worry about being judged. But us we don't get anything and were always looked at as bad but which culture has it worse?

Black people

Native people

[DaisyM23]

i think on an everyday systemic and individual level, black people get discriminated against more - obviously both groups have been and are being screwed over horribly but there are different discrimination practices - although tbf i think discrimination against natives is much less reported in the media compared to discrimination against black people

[massb]

I agree with everything you said

[LadyKitty]

Native americans have it worse. There is only around 5 million of them left. a lot of the reservations they are given tends to be really poor.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/q7sLpPXKNr4

They aren't exempted from federal taxes either.

[massb]

They are exempted from taxes and 5 million is a lot of people and how can you be sure I know lots of native people here in Canada

[massb]

At least they are given stuff doesn't excuse that bad things that were happens but black people or Jewish people weren't given anything after what happened to us. And black people to this day are getting brutalized and judged for no reason

[LadyKitty]

I am referring to in America. In america they are subjected to federal taxes, receive worse health care on reservations etc. Having to put casinos on their land to earn money is terrible because they have to deal with the problems that come with that.

[massb]

I guess it's different in different places

[DaisyM23]

a lot of people deserve reparations, like A LOT, if every country or group served out reparations for every wrongdoing they did, they would be broke which is why they don't want to open that can of worms - but when you talked about jewish people... in AMERICA specifically, i don't think you can compare jewish discrimination to the historical and systemic discrimination of black and native people, if you want to list who's the most screwed over in america now, i would argue black, native, muslim, and south American people the most, jewish discrimination had no real difference to italian discrimination - but if you're considering international discrimination against jewish people, particularly the holocaust... i think reparations have been made, the west stole land in the middle east and gave it to jewish people who have now turned around and commit genocide so don't equate discrimination against black and jewish people when jewish people were handed a 'homeland' that anyone of the religion can supposedly claim and black people are still being shit on around the world

[massb]

@DaisyM23 I fully agree I was just saying Jewish people went through things to and I don't want it to seem like only black people went through things

[RedInnocent69]

It depends a lot on where you are.

[massb]

That's true I agree

[gorydetails]

ooh you were playing oppression olympics? Fun.

[massb]

Not really I'm just wondering about people's views.

[gorydetails]

you were comparing your eternal victimhood status, lol.

[massb]

Are you judged daily based on how you look? Are you followed around for no reason

[gorydetails]

I don’t know. I don’t live my life worrying about other people.

[massb]

I'm saying do you get followed in stores for no reason or harassed by the cops just because they feel like it. When your black you have to take precautions just because, lucky you. But I don't have that luxury

[gorydetails]

Have you tried not acting like a victim?

[massb]

Lol I'm not, if you go through experience that are beyond your control. Then that's your perception and your reality. I'm happy that you haven't gone though anything bad to warp your mind thats good for you.

[massb]

If you want to debate with facts then sure we can talk otherwise. Name calling means you already lost the argument

[massb]

Also look man if I was white and didn't have to go through racism and prejudice. Then I would probably be saying what your saying but guess what I go through it all the time, it's not something I'm seeing its something I'm going through

[gorydetails]

Right, because when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. All you have is being a victim.

[massb]

Have you ever gone through racism? Or anything? I'm just trying to see where your mindset is. Just because I tell the truth and say what's happening doesn't make me a victim. I never said I was I was just clearly stating what's going on.

[massb]

Once again if you have facts other than trying to make fun of people you lost the argument once again. Next time come with a actual argument instead of acting like a kid

[gorydetails]

I’m not the one whose whole personality is “I’m a victim!”

[massb]

All your going to do it regurgitate the same thing you keep saying. And I never once said I was one. That's what your saying not me. This is getting no where. You have no argument or thought in your head. So you go by personal attacks to get a rise out of me nice try. Next time try to bring something to the conversation. Have a good one

[massb]

Do is *

[grega239]

Neither. Both need to get over themselves

[massb]

How so and what race are you?

[massb]

Well your obviously white and have faced any prejudice or injustice or racism at all in your life so this has nothing to do with you

[massb]

Or Is that white privellage and pride talking?

[grega239]

Privilage? 🤣🤣🤣
Dude im a south slav from the balkans.
What privilage?
Did i experience prejudice/racism? I guess. Not sure because i rarely take such things seriously.

No. I said both need to get over yourselves because its kinda sad that you actually talk about who the bigger victim is.

Because at this point, this debate about prejudice and racism comes across as an excuse to justify your own shortcomings

And this white privilage /pride thing you mentioned. Thats an American thing.

[massb]

I'm saying do you expirence anything daily that hinders your life. I'm not talking about short coming , I'm talking about how people judge first then after they talk you , they say that I'm a nice person. Or that I get harrased for no reason. That's what I mean. By white privilege I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about how you can walk anywhere and no one will judge you right off the bat or look down on you. And you'll get the benefit of the doubt most times

[grega239]

Have you ever asked yourself why you may be judged?

[grega239]

Me being able to walk anywhere has nothing to do with me having white skin.
I just dont care about people judging me for it.

[massb]

I literally does and people who have white privilege are blind to see it. I'll give you an example, I go into a dollar store the other day with my girlfriend and her sister. I have on regular clothes not dressed like a gangster in anyways and not posing as a threat. I'm the black guy in the store and guess what he follows me for no reason. So what about that? So what white people don't steal? Why come after me when I showed no threat or anything. I walk in public and people cross the street sometimes. Again I dress very normal so what the reason then? Did you ask why your not being judged? Because your white. You can say otherwise but we both know that's true

[massb]

Even with most to all school shooters being white guess what your still not being judged. every race has their crimes I'm just saying you guys don't face backlash from anything but other races do

[grega239]

You were followed int the store because of stereotypes.
Cops used to write us up all the time because we we dressed in baggy clothes like gangsters because of stereotypes.
Unfortunately for you black america has a bad reputation.

Women Crossed the street because of me aswell. I know that because i seen how they looked at me. Im a 6ft skinny guy with a shaved head. A lot of my women friends said i look dangerous.
Again, its because of stereotypes

And as for being judged for my skin. You haven't read what i said. Im a south slav from the balkans. Some europeans think we're savages. We dont care and thats why no one says anything because it has no effect on us.
We dont care

Everytime a school shooting happens, everyone instantly assumes its a white guy. Because its a stereotype.

You would face backlash for your race, of your race didn't act like idiots.

You seem like an ok guy and its unfair to you. But people see how black america is acting. Its famous for street gangs and crime.

[massb]

Yes I agree they act like idiots but I try my best to dress and act not intimidating but I'm 6 ft and muscular. But I'm saying even though the school shooters are mostly white. The media paints them as good people where something goes wrong and they need help. But if black people do something wrong it's they are criminals. I'm just saying it should be the same they are both criminals.

[grega239]

What the hell kind of news are you watching?

[massb]

Regarding what? When tye 1999 columbine massacre happened they said they were just getting bullied and they had enough and were good kids. The Las Vegas shooter, they said he was wealthy and a good man and not sure why he did it. I'm just saying they hardly ever paint white people as bad people.

[massb]

https://youtu.be/gdXRRQou4qk?si=E9mPKomSzANVEk1L