If you ever listen to debates between the far right and the left you will alway see the right talking about hard undeniable truths and the left just never seem to see those questions coming and cave under the pressure. It's almost like they have spent their lives being around people that have never challenged their flawed beliefs.
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u +1 yOk we get it. You're a right winger and you have bias against the left. I'm sure they think the same about you and your beliefs. And the circle continues ad nauseum. Instead of complaining about each other on this app, just go out and vote. You aren't going to change each other's minds and if your only goal is to trigger one of them to feel better about yourself than that doesn't say much about you.
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If I was here to trigger someone to feel better about myself then you really just made my day didn't you.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0iAmz9iLM
Did Trump say he would be a dictator, or did he say he would just be a dictator for one day.
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@Gospeedracer I'm not triggered, I'm annoyed about the plethora of political questions on here from both sides saying how evil the other side is.
@applepie409 if he says he is gonna be a dictator for a day then he said he's gonna be a dictator so the answer is yes to both. - +1 y
@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 You sound triggered, This is political section you know right?
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I'm aware but you can have a political discussion without saying how bad the other side is. Why can't you stand on your own merits?
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@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 It's a question have you read what your fellow leftist started saying straight off the bat. What do you value more Political correctness or truth?
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First off, I'm not a leftist, so let's get that clear. Second, you can, or at least should be able to, have a conversation about your side without denigrating the other.
I value people's ability to live how they want to live without harming others. Whether that means you owning guns, supporting the military as I do and being able to vote for whoever you want or some trans person living their truth and voting for who they want. I follow my political beliefs, not a party and certainly not a politician specifically. That's why I despise phrases like vote blue no matter who or people who have joined the cult of personality known as Trump. Neither are there for you personally. Both only care about themselves and their donors.
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+1 yMaybe you need to get out of your bubble a bit... really challenge your assumptions. Work on your anger management. Hate less and listen more. You are trapped in an echo chamber.
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Why do you think I'm on GAG? It's hardly a right wing echo chamber.
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OK thats fair enough. Too many are stuck in getting info from only one source. It hardens opinions.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX0iAmz9iLM
Did Trump say he will be a dictator or did he say he would be a dictator just on day one. The paid liar in the video knows her audience can't think on their own, so she can say anything. - +1 y
@ApplePie409 Maybe its time the moderates and majority of people who are center, center left and or center right start speaking up and start shouting down the far right and left minority elements that are taking up all the oxygen?
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Really? Then why are there so many far righties on G@G?
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@handsomelad70 I don't see a lot of them, Are they getting most of their posts deleted too?
+1 yBOTH parties are controlled by Zionists aka international bankers aka the illuminati.
Since before 1933.
Hollywood, mainstream media, Music Industry, military, congress, house of reps, CDC, white house, and much more. All controlled by Zionists.
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Lol so delusional
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@JacobJordan LOL So fucking ignorant.
Do some research because you look like a fool trying to disrespect this veteran, boy! - +1 y
@JacobJordan MacDaddyRico is right do some research. Have you ever wondered why You are warned never to listen to people like us? You are indoctrinated.
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Thanks
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Zionists and the Illuminati? Did you forget good ol' George Soros?
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You're a Veteran, MacDaddyRico? MUCH RESPECT, SIR !!!
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@handsomelad70 Soros is a Zionist and a part of the Illuminati
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Hmmmmmm...
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Whoever believes in the Illuminati needs sectioning.
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@DarkLegacy Ignorance is bliss, eh?
Research: Vatican Basement
Bilderberg Group
Bohemian Grove
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@macdaddyrico If you try to post evidence he will just delete it anyway. He is Ignorance with admin powers. Kind of like modern western Governments.
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Yes, that's what they do... they delete facts and repeat their lies
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George Soros is laughing at us.
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@Gospeedracer. Respond to the question I posted about the ADL and Israel.
Don't you hate it when Russia interferes in U. S. politics? â
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ythat's been obvious since day one
left-wingers accuse others of delusion while being delusional themselves
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+1 yGeez⌠if there ever really was a debate between the far left and the far right, we missed a crucial opportunity to bomb the joint and make the whole world a better place.
By the by, if youâre listening to radicals speak and it sounds like theyâre making âgood pointsâ and proliferating âfactsâ, youâre no good to the rest of us. Seek help immediately.16 Reply- +1 y
Well we must be good to you because we can't have a space of our own, all white spaces need diversity, Everyone wants to live with us.
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Nobody wants to live with you. Itâs a charitable act. You clearly need to experience some diversity. You would benefit from some education too. People are trying to help you and you think youâre under attack. Ell oh ell!
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So all the immigrants invade us to keep us company. They are so selfless aren't they?
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I don't want to bomb anything.
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That's how his deluded sort think, Chazzmatazz269. Another cog in the bosses' wheel of destruction of the non-wealthy.
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They're also either working jobs most Americans wouldn't dream of doing or creating jobs.
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+1 ytbh it was just their turn to be the bad guys this year. and the gop is also the bad guys this year. i would not want to be a public, local, state, or governmental official right now.
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Perhaps if public "servants" behaved like public "servants" and not entitled monarchs (as in the Imperial Presidency), America wouldn't be in its present dystopian condition.
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@handsomelad70 public servitude. let's break that down. slave to the public. well, they certainly aren't! it's more like a slave uprising in my opinion.
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Wish there were MANY more successful U. S. slave revolts.
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@handsomelad70 people are quiet when they are paid to be. it's why america will kill itself. people can't live in a world that discriminates against it's own citizens. the new world order is coming, but it's not gonna be what they wanted.
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Black Americans have been discriminated against since the minute they were brought to the US in chains in 1619.
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@handsomelad70 You admitted Don't like white people and have no respect for our culture. The biggest difference between me and you is your haters don't want to live with you. Even though the KKK scared you they still couldn't force you to stay away from us.
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F**k the KKK. And I don't hate ANYONE; just folk who think themselves others' superiors because of discrete differences. I respect EVERY culture because all have great traits.
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@handsomelad70 Then why did you that you didn't respect white culture? There are no discrete differences between crime rate statistics based on race.
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+1 yThey sure do, they are determined to turn people against each other and their culture with all this woke nonsense. It is the same throughout the Western World.
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Yes this is the actions of Zionists
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Jews have nothing to do with it sparky. Come down your swastika is showing
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@JacobJordan Are the Palestinians Nazis for there Criticism as well?
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Did you know that the PLO was founded upon the doctrine of destruction of Israel and annihilation of all jews. Last I checked the removal of an entire people counts as genocide. Perhaps you should study history instead of believing whatever the media tells you
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@JacobJordan When the right wing media gives us many examples of left wing double standards and biases I'm not totally convinced at first but when people like you verify it over and over again is went I'm convinced that they are speaking the truth.
White man Critical of Zionism of POC = Nazi or Racist
POC Critical of White people = not racist
How can you keep evil in check when some people get a pass on criticism?
If you want to know who the real racists are and If you believe in the changed definition of racism = Prejudice + power then the real racists are people that have real power over us which are the people you can't Criticise.
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I didn't say that Jewish people were exempt from criticism though. No one is free from that you and macdaddy are showcasing your hatred of jews proudly. The third Reich would be proud. You are blaming a people that couldn't give a singular unadulterated fuck about your worthless existence because they are too focused on surviving yet another attempted genocide. As for your hilarious claim that I am "indoctrinated" of the 2 of us 1 of us is smarter than you. The reason people say don't listen to liberals is because liberals spew shit like a busted sewage treatment plant. Zero facts, zero evidence. Unlike you and the failed delusional vet who ran his mouth and then blocked like the coward he is I have done my research.
www.fdd.org/.../
www.cfr.org/.../what-hamas
See unlike you I come prepared and with weapons ready
www.fdd.org/.../
www.state.gov/.../
But I am sure you will have some nonsensical argument or goalpost to move in a desperate ploy to regain control of a situation you never had control of. Jews just want to be left alone to worship their God and work. - +1 y
@Gospeedracer No it is not. the woke brigade are anti semitic and i have no time for anti semites.
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@JacobJordan People always blame the Jews for everything. There is nothing with the Jews. Most peaceful religion there is.
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Which is why so many people blame them lol it is just basic delusion and willful ignorance. The jews have spent there entire existence being persecuted by others and they don't fight back. The second they do decide enough is enough it is suddenly zionism and genocide.
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The fact you proudly posted a link to a literal neo-nazi, antisemitic, white supremacist hate site is the absolute best thing ever. Thank you for proving exactly what I was saying. There website has been removed numerous times due to threatening jews. Honestly thank you for showing everyone what a nazi you really are.
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@JacobJordan I shall now remove his comment for promoting Nazism
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Ah should not have done that. Let them proudly showcase the despicable people they are. A big part of educating is allowing for such heinous statements because he unlike most liberals proudly says what all liberals believe and think.
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@JacobJordan Well my post with links where deleted only Woke washed evidence is allowed I guess. you had to get evidence deleted to protect your world view.
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@DarkLegacy That video was on youtube not too long ago. One day you too might be denied a voice and censored like that. It goes to show how weak your arguments are if you have to resort to that.
GAG is a woke echo chamber. - +1 y
I am not woke lol. Nor am I a liberal. Meanwhile you are linking a website that is quite literally the apex of racism, antisemitism, white supremacy, conspiracy theories, neo-nazism. In your hatred of jews (something liberals of America are showcasing all the time) you straight up said what they hint at. Also I said he shouldn't remove it because garbage like you proudly showcase how awful you are
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@JacobJordan truth isn't a synonym of hatred. although I think you are the hater of truth.
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Bud you posted a website link that spreads white supremacy, neo-nazism, antisemitism, racism and other horrible things. You are not actually trying to defend that right now lol. Of the people commenting I am one of the only people that actually focuses on truth which is why I have all the facts and was able to drop links for it. Something a liberal can't do. Something you can't do. Your only evidence was for a website that spreads hate. If anyone hates truth here it is you because you willfully ignore factual reality for whatever nazi propaganda you read on that disgusting website. When a 30 seconds Google search showcases the controllers of that website have been charged with several crimes including inciting violence against a protected class and you consider that "good evidence" your moral compass has failed.
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@JacobJordan I dropped the links, and you dismissed them conveniently, That propaganda can hold up to scrutiny that's why you need to dismiss it.
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I didn't dismiss them it took me 30 seconds to find out that entire site is bullshit. You completely shit the bed with that link and have been unable to produce another. Now you are defending that website. And you have the audacity to say I am indoctrinated when of the 2 of us the only one speaking actual facts and the only one with any actual knowledge is me. You couldn't find your way out of a wheat field with a map
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I couldn't be more woke and LOATHE anti-Semitism as I do ALL hatred.
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@handsomelad70 well your fellow mmm person here dropped a link to en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goyim_Defense_League the website talked about on here.
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@JacobJordan mmm person?
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@handsomelad70 yeah person seems fairly accurate. Was deciding between thing and creature but decided it would be insulting to creatures and things
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Promoting Nazism? D**N SKIPPY remove any such disgusting remarks !!!
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@handsomelad70 dark legacy removed it. I said he should have kept it because it showcases who gospeedracer is perfectly. That website has been removed from entirely on several occasions and the creators have had a fair bit of legal trouble due to their actions and he was saying "That propaganda can hold up to scrutiny that's why you need to dismiss it." Thing is both him and liberals support Palestine and by extension Palestine goals 2 of which are destruction of Israel and annihilation of all jews.
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@JacobJordan I support a two-state solution which would enshrine the right of Israel and Palestine to exist unmolested , but for the nonce, a U. N. peacekeeping force is likely the only way of achieving that desirable result.
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@handsomelad70 very likely as Palestine still refuses to accept the two state solution. The reason hamas exists is because in 1975 Israel pulled out of Gaza in the pursuit of peace. I would have to find the exact dates but as of 2024 there are something like 6 or 7 difference instances of Israel offering peace to Palestine and Palestine refusing. Israel even reduced the size of Israel by around 75% in the pursuit of peace
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@JacobJordan HAMAS, which FOUR-FIFTHS of Palestinians LOATHE, rejects the two-state solution. Don't forget Hamas overran Gaza in the nineties, I believe, and sweet-talked some radical Palestinians into accepting its call for Israel's obliteration, which few Palestinians have EVER supported. Israel had the RIGHT AND DUTY to rid Gaza of its sworn enemy, NOT to cause a worsening humanitarian crisis.
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@handsomelad70 www.bloomberg.com/.../the-palestinian-incentive-program-for-killing-jews
This is the PLO doing the exact same things Hamas is doing. They are not at all different the PLO was founded before Hamas existed and until 1993 the PLO intended to destroy Israel and all jews by any means necessary. In 1993 though chairman Yasser Arafat sent a letter to Israel recognizing it as a nation and Israel in turn changed its stance on the PLO. However the PLO is still committing the same atrocities it has been committing since its founding. - +1 y
@JacobJordan so you watched 30 seconds of a 4 min video. LOL you don't seek knowledge You feared your world view might be challenged. I don't support Israel or Palestine and I did say anything about Destroying all Jews. You are building more straw men then a scare crow factory right now. Neither Side wants a two state solution anyway.
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Israel has proposed a two state solution on more than 1 occasion. And I didn't watch the video at all after just clicking on the website gave a "verifying load screen" it took me 30 seconds to Google the website and see how much shit it is in. You bud have already proven what level of scum you are. This is not a stance you want to maintain even for a right leaning person this is extreme.
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@JacobJordan I get my information from everywhere and you cherry pick yours. a Google search told me... there for it must be...
That is a weak lemming mind right there. You are afraid of reality. Go back to your safe space because we both know you are unwilling to think for your self at this point. - +1 y
Lol I don't have to cherry pick when literally every website that talks about your link says the same thing. It took 30 seconds to type "is goyimtv a conspiracy site" to return millions of results that it is not only a conspiracy site but a racist, neo-nazi white supremacist site. If you consider that website a good source then you are factually all of those things bud.
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@JacobJordan It took you 30 seconds to read millions of results? you must be a fast reader.
Racist, Neo-nazi, white Supremacist are all labels these days used to control people's opinions. If someone hated Jews for instance you would go to CNN to find out why they Hate instead of asking the haters themselves. That's why when you talk about such things they don't hold much merit. Your a Woke washed CNN parrot. - +1 y
I am not woke or a liberal nazi. It took 30 seconds to search and have millions of results returned about your nazi propaganda. Unlike you I provided actual sources not nazi propaganda in a desperate ploy to further hate. Go reopen Auschwitz filthy degenerate.
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What do you mean I can't debunk that. The fact the website you pulled it from is nothing more than antisemitic neo-nazi white supremacist racist trash debunks it. The websites very existence debunks the validity of the video. The fact you continue to defend that website just shows how much of a racist antisemitic nazi you are. You are wrong and if you were a decent person you would have accepted that or found another source 10 posts ago but instead you defend the 1 source you have because you know as does everyone else that you are a piece of shit with no actual evidence to back up your infantile hate.
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@JacobJordan Anyone sitting on the fence right now see your denialism. When you sweep strong evidence under the rug you then demand multiple sources from us. You can't defend your world view but you still double down it pathetic and transparent. But that's all liars can do really.
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I provided multiple sources lol it isn't hard if the "strong evidence" is actually factual. Link sources or fuck off nazi
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The best part of your entire mentally retarded nazi propaganda approach is you keep calling me a liberal and woke when everyone on this site knows I am neither lol.
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@JacobJordan Fuckoff? lol nothing enrages like a leftist loosing an argument.
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Not a leftist lol stay dumb bum.
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@JacobJordan I bet your hair is green.
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@JacobJordan He asked this question just so he could get in anti semtic nonsense, people like him are pathetic and uneducated
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Dark brown sorry jew hater
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Oh clearly it is funny how he is calling me a liberal given the fact almost every liberal on this site blocked me after getting called out lol
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@DarkLegacy You said you haven't got any time for anti-semites yet here you are still posting comments on my thread. Stop being pathetic yourself and at the very least mean what you say. You aren't even interested in education because removing opposing views while pushing your opinions off onto others is indoctrination.
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@JacobJordan Thought the PLO was kaput?
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@handsomelad70 PLO is the in simplistic terms the Palestinian military that act on behalf of the people
27.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Liberals live in their own little bubbles. They do not want to hear about how Biden had ruined this country and all his policies are s#! t
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Because America was ruined before Biden.
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@handsomelad70 I was optimistic about the future and had confidence that the country was going in the right direction. Now I wake up not knowing what will happen next. I have had to drastically change my life and have deferred retirement for years, purchased firearms, stockpiled food and ammo, and have reinforced my doors and locks. I have even started locking my garage. All this happened since Biden became president
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Almost everything is excusable as long as it goes against the people who built the country (white People) But you must be careful not to complain about it otherwise the thugs might target you. Just watch CNN and nod your head and they might not get you first.
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Wait till Trump is elected. America will be lucky to survive intact until 2028.
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@handsomelad70 Trump and the people that elected him will make America safe for Americans and make us a more prosperous and strong country
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A few WHITE Americans;everyone else will be treated as enemies if they don't worship Lord and Massa Trump !!!
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@Gospeedracer I am sure that I am on Biden';s enemy list. I am sort of proud of it.
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@exitseven A man with dementia shouldn't be given a nuclear football.
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@handsomelad70 You do not even live in America. Trump brought opportunities to EVERYONE. It did not matter what race or gender. People who are successful in business care about results and not demographics. Biden hired a Supreme Court Justice solely on sex and race. She cannot define what a woman is.
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I have a 19-year-old great-niece and 20-year-old great-nephew in New Jersey who grew up having to crawl under their school desks for Active Shooter drills, something foreign to my five-year-old great-great-nephew and will be to his three-year-old sister when she begins school here in Windsor, Ont. next year. For nearly three centuries, EVERYTHING in America was done according to sex and race:White men with the best jobs, everyone else , tough ti*ties. I surmise LOTS of American want a return to the Old Order.
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White thugs can menace blacks, as black thugs sometimes menace whites, but most American crime is intra-group rather than inTER-group.
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@handsomelad70 If white people built it then white people should run it. I never heard of white people complaining about not running s@#t in black majority countries like Somalia, I believe N******* do so because they want the highest standards in first world countries they never could have built themselves. They want it and they don't care about the cost to whom they take it from. Many White people like me don't wish failure on black people, We just don't want to go without trying to support an ungrateful group and live with all the problems they bring and why should we have to? We have a right to Self-determination just like everyone else.
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Couldn't agree more, exitseven !!!
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Did white folk build Africa? No!!! THEY FREAKIN' STOLE IT !!! ( Grateful for what, boyo? Four centuries of murder, slavery, rape, false imprisonment , discrimination, etc? We selfish c**ns owe white folk SO FREAKIN' MUCH, we should pay THEM reparations !!!)
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I've determined you're a white supremacist, Gospeedracer.
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@handsomelad70 You expect from us what no one else would ever be expected to give. If a N**** believes that a N**** Country has the right to self determination does that make him a black supremacist? You should just leave us alone you owe us that.
+1 yTerrorists are crossing the border, they are told by the talking box that it's OK. Whatever happened to common sense.
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@exitseven
It's insane. Most people are stupid. I met a young girl who told me her mom smoked crack while pregnant with her. Her dream was to go to college. She can't, because her brain is fried. It's difficult to hear that and not cry.
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+1 yItâs because public policy is complicated but the far right likes simple answers. The hard undeniable truths of which you speak are often neither hard nor undeniable.
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Because most far righties ARE SIMPLETONS.
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+1 yYes, but most right-wingers wouldn't know Truth if it bit them on their often bulbous a**.
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They why are left wingers always offended by any sort of discussion? Right wingers don't resort to threats of cancelation to win debates.
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They lie about everything and watch nothing but FOX NOISE, One White America Network, NOISEmax, and other right-wing echo chambers.
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@handsomelad70 Do people still watch fox? The left created right wing echo chambers when they start censoring and deplatforming instead of discussing things openly.
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I know, but the right has Bogarted political talk radio and most of political talk TV. I don't (and will never) watch Fox, but I imagine people watch it.
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It is the left that Bogart political talk shows through deplatforming right wing speakers. The left are very open about that in fact. The conservative platforms encourage debate, Stormfront invites people like you with an opposing views section for you to go and debate them. Does any woke forums have an Opposing views section? The left wants to silence and the right wants debate.
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Why would a black man such as I even consider engaging openly white supremacist, anti-black "Stormfront?"
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So you deny the types of truth that doesn't serve your own interests then?
That kinda sums it up when describing the left's attitude towards everything.
They have a selfish agenda and work to silence anyone that shed any light on that fact. The truth is not on your side and you know it. - +1 y
So, like Stormfront, you think blacks inferior? Nice racism, Godspeedracer !!!
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Do you feel inferior? You don't care about the preservation of the white culture and race because your people have a dependence on other races. We run away from POC because our lives are better without them but POC will run after us because they need us to provide for them.
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You're as full of s**t as a Christmas turkey, Gospeedracer. Then why did you folk run to Africa to steal us, then enslave and oppress us since 1619 ? I don't care about the preservation of white "culture" because it's meant misery for POC for close to a half-millenium. And you honkkkies' lives are WORSE with whiteness because you think having single-payer health care ala the rest of the First World will aid inferior c**ns, sp*cks, f***ots, g**ks and other "mud folk", thus America's life expectancy continues to crater. Your lives would be IMMEASURABLY worse without us, but you and your KKK ilk are too dumb to realize it. Now back to Stormfront and other neo-Nazi organs and let them fill your empty head with lies, boyo. In conclusion, you're another empty suit apparatchik for the overlords who set average folk of all stripes against each other so they can pick EVERYONE' S pocket.(See:Pres. Lyndon B. Johnson's 1965 speech about trailer trash racism against their black betters.)
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@handsomelad70 Talk is cheap and actions speak louder. You need us and we will never need you. If it wasn't true you would leave us alone.
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You brought us to America from Africa, boyo. Now live with the consequences of 405 years of oppression..
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Well your not needed any more, Other forms of obsolete farm equipment won't form gangs, commit violent crimes, Riot, rape and kill others. Your lucky to live in a country we built. Name 1 black majority country that isn't a 3rd world shit hole.
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+1 yWhat flawed beliefs?
What hard undeniable truths?
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m +1 yFar left, like the greens?
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The Greens should be MUCH MORE POPULAR, given the harsh reality of climate change.
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@handsomelad70 but they are so far left even the communist party get concerned. This is proper left wing not the US right of centre left wing
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America, unlike the rest of the First World, as of yet has no true left.
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The Communist Party evinces little environmental concern.
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@RubyFrench Truth is your enemy because your clearly biased. Go dye your hair green lemming.
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đ whatever you say leech
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