Vic Orban and Vlad Putin support D. Trump. Is this a reason to be concerned?

[Siri137]

I mean, it certainly isn't a good look, that's for sure. And the reason Putin gives for siding with Trump is absolutely priceless coming from that monstrous despot. At 0:47 - "Using legal, and illegal, means to get rid of political rivals", LOL :D Yeah right Vlad, your political opponents are all just accident-prone, they have a very poor sense of balance when they're on balconies and can't handle the Polonium they so often find in their tea.

[RebelinSteel]

It sort of goes into my enemy is your enemy and I will stab you in the back later.

while Putin and Orban are saying they want to be friends with trump, they are much bigger friends with Xi Jinping, who is the Puppet master.

Putin wants one or two things, to have zero interference with Ukraine, to have zero interference with Georgia (which he will put troops in shortly due to people wanting a bit of democracy) and free reign with Transnistria and Moldova.
those are his main goals to start the process of recreating the larger Soviet Union.

Checking my crystal ball, they will persuade trump to stop all aid to Ukraine and US support.

The next bit will be trump interfering with AUKUS, (under the suggestion of Putin (via the puppet master) ).

It’s a bit like school where you can pretend to like the stupid kid and he thinks it’s genuine, then they give him a kicking later on.

[Siri137]

AUKUS should not exist, it's a mistake, a huge one. What will Australia do with nuclear submarines that are horrendously expensive to run, and for which it doesn't even have the capacity at present to maintain? As a previous prime minister (Keating) pointed out, for the cost of those eight nuclear submarines, they could have bought about 50 diesel subs.

[RebelinSteel]

Legs and reality.
Australia is a huge natural resource, China wants it,
Trying to protect Australia using aircraft is limited
Only SSNs have the range to operate within the pacific.

[Bricealan]

No doubt that Putin is a Barbarian, disguised as a leader and we know he has killed his rivals. Only guessing here, but I think if Trump had been president, Putin would not have had the balls to invade Ukraine, and hopefully, Trump will get Russian's ass out of Ukraine if he is elected.

[Siri137]

And how will he (Trump) do that? Nag Putin to death? Send US forces into Ukraine in a direct confrontation?

[Bricealan]

@siri137 No idea, but he will do it, one way or another. Better than what the GOVT is doing now, sending Billions of $$$ of military aid to Ukraine and if Trump had been in office it never would have happened anyway. You notice he invaded when the 'milk toast' brain dead was president.

[purplepoppy]

So has Nigel Farage, the British far right lunatic.

As the saying goes, a man is judged by the company he keeps.

[Anonymous]

A "jury of his peers"? Really?

They found twelve billionaire ex-presidents who had no prior opinion on his presumptive guilt or innocence that were eligible to sit on a jury in New York?

So now Donald has been convicted, when does Clinton's trial for paying hush money to Lewinsky after he fucked her in the oval orifice during his time in office start? I'm assuming Comatose Joe's got the DOJ beating off his Democrat door even as we think it...

The hypocrisy of the Left is so warped it could power the USS Enterprise...

[northerngal]

Ha ha ha ha... thats funny! Love it. Oh and just to be clear its the bit about the Enterprise thats funny.

[Siri137]

I don't think you understand what the term "peer" means within the context of the legal system.

[Opinion Owner]

According to the Merriam Webster dictionary - chosen because it's the American definitions:

peer
1 of 3
noun
ˈpir
Synonyms of peer
1
: one that is of equal standing with another : EQUAL
The band mates welcomed the new member as a peer.
especially : one belonging to the same societal group especially based on age, grade, or status
teenagers spending time with their peers
2
a
: a member of one of the five ranks (duke, marquess, earl, viscount, or baron) of the British peerage
b
: NOBLE sense 1
Peers and commoners alike were shown the same courtesy.
3
archaic : COMPANION

[Siri137]

A "jury of one's peers," to which criminal defendants are constitutionally entitled, means an impartial group of citizens from the judicial district (e. g. county) in which the defendant lives. It does not mean a jury ethnically, educationally, economically, or sexually the same as the defendant, although, in some jurisdictions attempts are made to meet those criteria. - legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/peer
Don't be so disingenuous. The (legal) context matters, and Merriam Webster is a lousy dictionary, I never use it.

[abc3643]

Yes, of course. They are both pro-autocracy just like Trump. Furthermore, Putin has Trump by the balls so Trump becomes his American puppet. That spells doom for Ukraine and a shitload of worry for our European allies who definitely do not want Trump.

[Siri137]

Why should I or anyone else care about Ukraine? Do you? If so, why?

[abc3643]

I do care because I know and understand history...

GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell wrote a very good essay about it in the New York Times yesterday on the 80th Anniversary of D-Day.
www.nytimes.com/.../...ilitary-spending-d-day.html
=====

OPINION
GUEST ESSAY

Mitch McConnell: We Cannot Repeat the Mistakes of the 1930s
June 6, 2024

By Mitch McConnell
Mr. McConnell is the Senate minority leader.

On this day in 1944, the liberation of Western Europe began with immense sacrifice. In a tribute delivered 40 years later from a Normandy cliff, President Ronald Reagan reminded us that “the boys of Pointe du Hoc” were “heroes who helped end a war.” That last detail is worth some reflection because we are in danger of forgetting why it matters.

American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines joined allies and took the fight to the Axis powers not as a first instinct, but as a last resort. They ended a war that the free world’s inaction had left them no choice but to fight.

Generations have taken pride in the triumph of the West’s wartime bravery and ingenuity, from the assembly lines to the front lines. We reflect less often on the fact that the world was plunged into war, and millions of innocents died, because European powers and the United States met the rise of a militant authoritarian with appeasement or naïve neglect in the first place.

We forget how influential isolationists persuaded millions of Americans that the fate of allies and partners mattered little to our own security and prosperity. We gloss over the powerful political forces that downplayed growing danger, resisted providing assistance to allies and partners, and tried to limit America’s ability to defend its national interests.

Of course, Americans heard much less from our disgraced isolationists after the attack on Pearl Harbor.

(more)

[abc3643]

Today, America and our allies face some of the gravest threats to our security since Axis forces marched across Europe and the Pacific. And as these threats grow, some of the same forces that hampered our response in the 1930s have re-emerged.

Germany is now a close ally and trading partner. But it was caught flat-footed by the rise of a new axis of authoritarians made up of Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. So, too, were the advanced European powers who once united to defeat the Nazis.

Like the United States, they responded to Russia’s aggression in Ukraine in 2014 with wishful thinking. The disrepair of their militaries and defense industrial bases, and their overreliance on foreign energy and technology, were further exposed by Russia’s dramatic escalation in 2022.

By contrast, Japan needed fewer reminders about threats from aggressive neighbors or about the growing links between Russia and China. Increasingly, America’s allies and partners in the Indo-Pacific are taking seriously the urgent requirements of self-defense. Fortunately, in the past two years, some of our European allies have taken overdue steps in the same direction.

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Here at home, we face problems of our own. Some vocal corners of the American right are trying to resurrect the discredited brand of prewar isolationism and deny the basic value of the alliance system that has kept the postwar peace. This dangerous proposition rivals the American left’s longstanding allergy to military spending in its potential to make America less safe.

(more)

[abc3643]

It should not take another catastrophic attack like Pearl Harbor to wake today’s isolationists from the delusion that regional conflicts have no consequences for the world’s most powerful and prosperous nation. With global power comes global interests and global responsibilities.

Nor should President Biden or congressional Democrats require another major conflict to start investing seriously in American hard power.

The president began this year’s State of the Union with a reference to President Franklin Roosevelt’s 1941 effort to prepare the nation to meet the Axis threat. But until the commander in chief is willing to meaningfully invest in America’s deterrent power, this talk carries little weight.

In 1941, President Roosevelt justified a belated increase in military spending to 5.5 percent of gross domestic product. On the road to victory, that figure would reach 37 percent. Deterring conflict today costs less than fighting it tomorrow.

I was encouraged by the plan laid out last week by my friend, the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Roger Wicker, which detailed specific actions the president and colleagues in Congress should take to prepare America for long-term strategic competition.

I hope my colleague’s work prompts overdue action to address shortcomings in shipbuilding and the production of long-range munitions and missile defenses. Rebuilding the arsenal of democracy would demonstrate to America’s allies and adversaries alike that our commitment to the stable order of international peace and prosperity is rock-solid.

(more)

[abc3643]

Nothing else will suffice. Not a desperate pursuit of nuclear diplomacy with Iran, the world’s most active state sponsor of terrorism. Not cabinet junkets to Beijing in pursuit of common ground on climate policy. The way to prove that America means what it says is to show what we’re willing to fight for.

Eighty years ago, America and our allies fought because we had to. The forces assembled on the English Channel on June 6, 1944, represented the fruits of many months of feverish planning. And once victory was secure, the United States led the formation of the alliances that have underpinned Western peace and security ever since.

Today, the better part of valor is to build credible defenses before they are necessary and demonstrate American leadership before it is doubted any further.

[Siri137]

You've clearly swallowed the mainstream media narrative hook, line and sinker. Where do I even begin with all this abject nonsense? You clearly know little about the history of World War 2, and your interpretation of recent events and the reasons for them is just completely wrong. Your entire response reads like an AI-concocted propaganda piece from the neo-con PNAC for endless wars and interventions around the globe.

[abc3643]

First-off, Mitch McConnell is NOT "Mainstream Media". He's the Senate Minority Leader.
Second, I learned history and lived through quite a bit more of it than you.
You need to learn it too instead of being bamboozled by the Orange Charlatan who is a Manchurian candidate for Putin. as this Russian scientist explains.
www.newsweek.com/russian-scientist-calls-trump-manchurian-candidate-putin-1866547

[strateguy632]

actualy evil putin is associated with biden.

this is a concern to vote trump, but not bad biden.

[Siri137]

What people say and what they actually do are often two entirely different things. Example: Putin said he had no intention of invading Ukraine.

[RetroReviews]

But think about it do you think they could actually support Joe Biden who is weak and frail and riddled with dementia. If they would support him that would make them look a weakened dumb lame duck in front of their people

[Dargil]

Vic Orban (True and good) and Vlad Putin (False) support D. Trump. Is this a reason to be concerned?

Nope. Biden supports China and Iran. Is this a reason to be concerned?

[Avicenna]

Biden is the CCP's and the Iranian mullahs' bitch...

[Siri137]

Did you watch the video? Putin believes that D. Trump is being treated unfairly by the justice system, and that the whole thing is just an attempt by his opponents to destroy him.

[Anonymous]

One doesn't have to be an ally of Trump's to see the corruption and weaponization of the legal system that has been on display in the US of late. I am not a Trump supporter and have not and would not vote for him, but the political bias in the Trump cases has been stark, and it's scary to be honest.

[Avicenna]

What should concern you is the awful criminality and corruption coming from the Biden Administration, a Potemkin village if there ever was one.

[exitseven]

Putin has said he prefers to have Biden be president. However even out enemies can see that Trump is a political prisoner/.

[Siri137]

And you actually believe Putin? You take his word for that? Wow.

[exitseven]

I could understand why he would prefer a weak, senile president who would have no problem taking a bribe instead of a president that has all his marbles and is Commander in Chief of the best military on the planet and is not afraid to use it.

[Siri137]

The "best military on the planet". LOL :D You've seen too many 'Captain America' and World War 2 Hollywood propaganda movies. And you probably think that 'Top Gun' with Tom Cruise was a documentary.

[gorydetails]

Lol, you guys try so hard with the Russia stuff.

[Siri137]

"You guys"? What does that mean? And what "Russia stuff"?

[gorydetails]

The trump/putin collusion nonsense that’s been pushed for 8 years now.

[Siri137]

Well, I haven't done that here, so you can hardly accuse me of doing so.

[gorydetails]

Literally it’s the premise of your question.

[Siri137]

Literally it is NOT. I was simply asking if V. Orban and V. Putin's support for D. Trump is a reason to be concerned, because the type of people that are attracted to you directly reflect the kind of person you are.

[gorydetails]

lmao.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Only if you are stupid and believe the original post

[Siri137]

Are there any reasons to doubt the story?

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Yes. The Russia collusion hoax was proven time and time again. When did Putin invade Georgia? When did Putin annex Crimea? What did Obama say to Putin during his reelection campaign? What did Putin do for 4 years when Trump was president (not a fucking thing) and what happened to the Ukraine less than a month into Bidens presidency?

[Siri137]

This isn't about the Russia collusion hoax. It's about how the leaders of two nations, Hungary and Russia, are now supporting Trump. Did you even watch the video?

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Who sold Russia uranium?

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Hungry and Russia hate Trump. They are telling stupid people that they do. Did you even watch current events since 2014?

[thisAppIsGarbage]

That they don't

[Siri137]

No one sold Russia uranium, because Russia has more natural resources (including uranium) than it knows what to do with! It's a very large country you know, the largest in size. But I guess you didn't know that.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Hillary Clinton sold Russia Uranium.

[RebelinSteel]

Not exactly the full story is it…
Was any of the Uranium allowed to exported from the USA?

[Siri137]

Repeating a lie won't make it true. She didn't sell uranium to Russia.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Yes she did. You are retarded.

[Siri137]

Prove it.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Indont have too. Reality did 8byears or more ago. If you are stupid that's on you. I can't prove you are stupid any harder than you already have

[Siri137]

Just as I thought. You have NO evidence for your absurd accusation. Idiot.

[thisAppIsGarbage]

Your mom

[Siri137]

Gee, what a clever response (eyeroll).

[Anonymous]

That is like saying the president of China supports Biden, therefore you should not vote for Biden. Or communists such as Fidel Castro support Bernie Sanders, therefore you should not vote for Bernie Sanders.

You should vote for whoever you think the best candidate will be. Who supports them is secondary, at best.

[Nice222]

So Vlad sends his troops to war against who he claims are Nazi’s in Ukraine, but yet he supports Trump who the Democrats accuse of being a Nazi?
just doesn’t make sense.

[AngryCarl]

I'd be concerned if Trump was elected. More concerned if I was American.

[Anonymous]

Why wouldn't Putin support anyone other than Biden? He has been thwarting peace efforts in the Ukrainian War.