Do you agree with louisiana for mandating that the ten commandments should be posted in all of the schools?

[StudyingAuthor]

Yes

No

I don't care.

[BCA6010]

When trying to look up specifics, I got multiple pages of nearly copy and paste bullsh*t from leftist media groups rather than the bill in its exact wording, so I'm going to have to make some assumptions based on face value.

The argument being made in favor of it basically equates the Ten Commandments to being founding or otherwise historically significant documents of the United States, and they have been regularly used particularly in courtrooms across the country from the beginning. Constitutionally speaking, this is generally not an infringement when done at the state level, but would be a pretty open and shut case if this happened at the federal level. Regardless, historical precedent set in 1980 does not favor Louisiana, and if this were to make it to the Supreme Court, there's a strong chance that they would cite the case against Tennessee and wash their hands of it.

In my opinion, this is not a good law, and not really a good way to go about this if using this argument. It would make more sense to instead include the ten commandments in a history class alongside other influences, such as the Magna Carta, Mayflower Compact, Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution itself, as well as a history subject regarding major religions of the world and their influence, which was actually part of my 9th grade world history class in a public school. Furthermore, this is a far more effective way of educating students on the subject than simply displaying them somewhere.

It is possible (though I know nothing about Louisiana's governor and can't presume he's actually this devious) that this is serving an ulterior motive and isn't even really about the schools at all, but rather trying to force this to the US Supreme Court in such a way to also get Islamic (or other religious) influence in schools shut down in other parts of the country, or just to simply expose some state politicians as bigoted anti-Christians or anti-Jews in a more petty feud.

[patois]

I don't have a problem with the ten commandments being displayed on school grounds. Just because religious exposure occurs on the school grounds, doesn't mean religious doctrine is mandated among attendees or that it is part of the curriculum. It's just granting students an opportunity to learn about major religions of the world's if they stop and personally take the time to read what's hanging on the wall. Schools expose children to all sorts of culture. That's part of education.

[Flatmanlewis]

Excellent point.

[StudyingAuthor]

Makes sense. If the LGBTQIAP+ kids can hang their flags on the walls we can hang the commandments on the walls.

[patois]

@StudyingAuthor That's correct. The law generally centers around coerced religious indoctrination. The point is to not use public funds for religious worship (i. e. prayer service), exercise or instruction (i. e. curriculum instruction), the support of religious establishment (i. e. the official religion of this school is Christianity and we have a chapel on site to demonstrate that) thus why Christian, Jewish, etc. schools have to be privately owned, or sectarian control or influence. Placing the Bible on the reference shelves of a public school library does not violate the law, nor does placing the ten commandments on a wall somewhere on campus. In fact if it was not permitted by the school, then the school would be promoting sectarian control being that they are banishing Christian ideas while allowing their own LGBTQ influence. It is also legal to allow volunteer clergy to provide religious and mental health support to children that request it so long as the parents are informed. That would not be force, nor would it be paid for with school funds.

[Miah04]

From what i see, it is in place as a teaching moment. a lot of our laws started from this.

It will also put in place but not be mandatory the mayflower compact. Which was once considered our first constitution also the Declaration of Independence; and the Northwest Ordinance.

People see religion and lose it, but it's not to be taught as a religious matter, but how some of our current laws came from these documents.

[WhitneySnow]

No!! It’s blatantly unconstitutional. It also discriminates against everyone but Protestant Christians.

[strateguy632]

pretty ignorant which religion rejected ten commanments? none

[WhitneySnow]

No. The Louisiana law specifically mandates that it must be a Protestant translation of the Ten Commandments. That discriminates against Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians and Jewish people as well as atheists.

I actually am a Protestant Christian. But I still think it’s blatantly unconstitutional for the state of Louisiana to impose this requirement on public schools. I’m curious to see what their defense will be when they’re sued for violating the separation of church and state. Maybe I’m missing something.

[MicahRaine]

Even as a Christian, I do not agree with it.

1) The Bible tells us to obey the authorities (and the laws that come with them) as much as possible while not going against God (E. G. denouncing God as our savior).

2) The Constitution's First Amendment clearly states that no religion may receive any special treatment, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

So while I personally think some good may come of it, I don't believe that it is "right"

[Anonymous]

yes, at this point I am on their side. It's hilarious to see all the whiners whining about "rights" though. Since the further removed we are from having things like the 10 commandments in our lives, the less rights we seem to have.

If you own a store, you don't own the shit inside it. That's owned in $500 increments by whoever wants to fucking walk in and steal it from you. If you get attacked with deadly weapons, you've lost your rights to defend yourself in many places, and will be punished by the full extent of the law if you choose to do so. If you support Trump, or someone other than mainstream LEFTIST dictators, you've lost your right to exist online or will possibly lose your irl job because people decided you no longer have that right to your own opinions.

[Red_Arrow]

That violates our U. S. Constitution in many ways. Supreme Court decisions have pointed out similar cases that were totally in violation. I answered in depth under "There is no freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion". W/ Louisiana posting 10 Commandments in EVERY class, does this have more resonance?

[MisterWack]

The founding fathers didn’t want America to be under one established religion, they wanted all of us to have freedom of religion. Since the ten commandments says, “No worship of other Gods” it goes against the student’s rights to freedom of religion & freedom of speech.

[msc545]

Freedom of religion also includes freedom FROM religion.

[MisterWack]

@msc545
Well said

[msc545]

Thanks!

[MisterWack]

@patois
Fact Check: 1. I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.

My proposal, demonstrate it in Hebrew so that only the religious followers understand it.

[patois]

Hahaha! Fact check what a commie cock sucker. Go back to China.

[MisterWack]

@patois
1. I am the Lord your God: You shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day.

[AviatorTom]

Yes, and since the authors of the law say it's historical, not religious (to avoid the Church vs State argument) they should be posted in their original historic language, Hebrew.

[Dongie]

Why no translation? How about having it plastered down the halls in every language. Hah!

[OtterMan68]

Hypocrisy: The same fundamentalists who say they don't want any talk of sexuality or sex in elementary school classrooms now have made it to where elementary schools teachers may have to explain what adultery and coveting thy neighbor's wife means. I thought they wanted parents to cover those topics

[lil_will_12]

Not really, isn’t that basically trying to force religion on students? I think it could be excused for religious schools, but for the usual public schools, that seems a bit wrong to me.

[patois]

Nope. Placing something on a wall doesn't impact curriculum instruction, grade outcomes, graduation rates, etc. nor does it force religious service participation, establish a temple on campus, or declare sectarian control over a school. It is inclusive and ads diversity to cultural education/social studies.

[strateguy632]

i *lov how law makers know its fine, but non lawyers, hid their anti Christianity with "unconstitutional", as if legislation does not know! 😀

[Flatmanlewis]

I think there is more than just the Ten Commandments being posted. Isn’t it a collection of historically relevant documents?

[StudyingAuthor]

I'm just focused on the ten commandments.

[Flatmanlewis]

Why?

[StudyingAuthor]

Bc, that's what I posted ab.

[Flatmanlewis]

But the context matters. If they were only posting a single object then I can see the offense but in its historical context religion is part of world history and the cause & effect of many events. How does one omit it entirely without impacting students overall understanding of the world?

[normalice]

First ammendment violation so anyone who had any part in it passing is a traitor. And the people who cheer it must hate america.

[handsomelad70]

Louisiana's an ignorant backwater.(By the way, bayou boys and babes, ever hear of the commandment," Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself?" Apparently not, as only racism tops the number of churches in Louisiana.)

[Anonymous]

I normally wouldn't since I'm not religious and don't enjoy being told what to do.

But our society desperately needs a pushback and if this what it takes to make it happen. So be it.

[exitseven]

It should not be posted but it should not be banned either.

[StudyingAuthor]

I like to leave everybody in free choice to do what they want and believe what they believe, but are you open to thinking otherwise?

[exitseven]

@studyingauthor I do not think that religion should be rammed down anybody's throat anymore than I think we should push drag queens and transexuals down little kids throats.

[StudyingAuthor]

I understand but think about it, thou shall not steal teaches children that stealing is wrong so they live with the fear of knowing that if they steal it'll be wrong.

[KostasKouvalis]

I'm a Catholic myself but this doesn't sit well with me. I believe in separation of Church and State. We have no right to complain about Muslims forcing their ideology on us now

[mrkdvsn]

Every school district should have the choice of posting TTC or not posting them. The national level of govt should never have any involvement in the affairs of Public Schools. Everything should be decided at the lowest local level

[patois]

It has nothing to do with national involvement in the schools, nor are school districts forced to participate. It is just a requirement to post a cultural enrichment post on a wall in order to receive state level funding. School districts in Louisiana can reject state level funding and opt out of the program.

[patois]

*poster

[Anonymous]

what's wrong with having the 10 commandments?

if people followed the 10 commandments we wouldn't have the cesspool we see today in society

[NamerOfStars]

It won't stick; the first federal court to hear it will throw the law out.

[Alex-Snow]

Not at all... I guess to be fair they should post religious notices from all religions to make it fair!

[DrPepper12]

Not only NO but HELL NO!! Keep your judeo-christian-islamic religion to yourself. Its grotesquely offensive to me and my school age kids as athiests.

[msc545]

This is just a really gross violation of the Constitution. However, it should be interesting to see how the supreme Court does. Somersaults trying to justify it.

[Anonymous]

I probably wouldn't have chosen that but I don't think it's a problem.

[SotiCoto]

If that is the case then Louisiana should be carpet-bombed to dust.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely. All the problems in the world stem from everyone trying to rebel against God.

[Anonymous]

I think it should be allowed, not mandated.

[Sabretooth]

No. As a Christian, this is about control for those absent of morality themselves.

[SpaceCowboy99]

Why do people lose their minds over things like this. There are bigger issues in the world!!

[HawkPerception]

Absolutely not. More useless indoctrination.

[strateguy632]

useless? with atheists writing "no morality no right n wrong", need ten commandments

[avery58]

No, I don't. Why fight one rhetoric with another.

[DJB72]

What do you propose to fight rhetoric with if not more rhetoric?

If schools can be required to display alphabet soup flags and doctrines then why not require the root of most of the laws on the US books to be displayed as well?

[Iron_Man]

Yes, of course

[Dongie]

Yes. Why not? If your offended quit offending.

[MacDaddyRico]

It is unconstitutional.

Period.

[jahaims]

Archaic and moronic

[strateguy632]

do not steal outdated? 😆