Why do some people believe Jewish people were behind 9/11?

[Juxtapose]

It's obvious bigotry coming from people who have a huge problem with Jews. Where the fuck is this shit even coming from? Especially from the left.. I'm old enough to remember a time where it was the Republicans who hated the Jews 🤣

[MisterWack]

“ Especially from the left.. ”

I hate to bring this to you…. No one on the left or right has even come up with this, at least from my inner circles / discussion boards / irl / you name it.

It has always been Middle Eastern Saudis & Islam Fundamental Terrorists.

Though, if you are referring to how people criticize what is going on in Gaza then I know that is disgusting of a comparison to make. Hamas pulled a terrorist attack on Israel and Israel in retaliation has killed far more civilians than Hamas did and STILL haven’t back most hostages / wiped Hamas off face of the globe. I would suggest STOP killing innocent civilians, an eye for an eye isn’t the solution to anything. That is war criminal behavior and vile.

I would like to inform everyone who didn’t get the memo The Holocaust DID HAPPEN however that doesn’t deflect Israeli Officials from criticism of their brutal assault against innocent civilians & humanitarian work. Christ, for fuck sakes Netanyahu didn’t originally want humanitarian aid to get to families suffering… It is twisted and vile. It is genocidal. It is unforgivable and unwarranted.

[Juxtapose]

There's a leftist on this website who does say so. I can't name him though.

Israel has had a record breaking low amount of civilian casualties. You sound like you're getting your numbers from Pallywood, a. k a Hamas. They tricked the U. N too and the U. N had to walk back their claims.

The "aid" goes straight to Hamas because they TAKE it.

[DryGermanGuy]

Antisemitism is the core of basically every conspiracy theory. And in Muslim regions it’s even part of everyday conversations. The stereotypes have a reason. The last Muslim colleague we got had to tell his first „Jew joke“ one week into the job. Some people just can’t help themselves.

[Juxtapose]

Holy shit I see the same thing! Finally somebody acknowledged this! What is it with Muslims & Arabs and their casual hatred of Jews?

They can't fucking help themselves and they make excuses for terrorist organizations while trying to paint anything connected to Jewish people in a bad light. They even deny the Holocaust.

I have had several friends of Arabic/Middle Eastern descent outright deny the Holocaust and they confide that in me because I can handle some pretty fucked up shit and not tell on them by name. I let them know in no uncertain terms though that what they believe is fucked up.

[Juxtapose]

I'm starting to understand why you Germans felt the need to ban Holocaust denial. I don't entirely agree with it but I understand it.

[Skinhead-1979]

I am sorry, but I disagree with your first reply; things are not as black & white as you say.

While I will not deny that 'Conspiracy Theories' regarding 'Jews' (Zionists - The 2 are always wrongly conflated with each other) are rife in Islamic Countries; Muslims do not hate Jews. Though I do have to admit that I often struggle with those theories too.

As you probably know... both Islam and Judaism are Abrahamic Religions; they both talk about the same events as described in the Jewish religious books and the OT. However, Muslims firmly believe that Jews have deviated from the True Religion and are being mislead by their religious leaders.
Muslims say 'Jews' (That would be Israelites then - same thing, Israelites and Jews are being conflated with each other which is wrong too) can have Jerusalem; as long as they return to the true faith.

What for some are 'Terrorist Groups' are for others 'Freedom Fighters'; though admittedly it is a very fine line to walk.

Is what Hamas has done a Crime against Humanity? Yes, you could say it is... but you need to see it in the whole context of what is going on and then things do change. This conflict didn't start on the 7th of October, it didn't start with Hamas' creation in 1987, it didn't start with Israel's independence. This dates back more than 100 years when the first European Jews started to arrive in Palestine under the 'Zionist banner'. They didn't come to share the land with the native inhabitants, they came to steal the land and colonise it.

Outside of armed confrontations... Palestinians kill on average 1-3 Israelis a year, Israel kills 1000s of Palestinians; what do you think the Palestinians are going to do? Sit tight and wait for their inevitable end? No, they stand up and fight back... any human being would do the same.

[Skinhead-1979]

The Palestinians resistance has stepped away from its worst atrocities a long time ago... When were the last bus bombings? Or the Hijacking of planes? Early 1990s or something, or not?

The claim that Hamas wants to murder all Israelis is not true... They have changed their charter a long time ago and fully removed that; Hamas is even willing to agree to a 2-state solution.

Hezbollah... another 'Terrorist' Organisation. Do you know why Hezbollah got created? That was during the Lebanese Civil War when the Sunnis and Christians were murdering each other and everyone else. The Shi'ites had the Amal movement, but the Shi'ites were disappointed in them. Hezbollah got set up when Israel invaded Lebanon and committed horrible massacres, in cooperation with the Maronite Christian militias, in various refugee camps. Hezbollah keeps existing because Israel keeps eyeing the south of Lebanon and wants to incorporate that. The Lebanese army is important and split down sectarian lines. Hezbollah is the only credible force to keep Israel out of Lebanon. Funny enough, the 2 arch enemies, the Maronite Christians and Hezbollah are very close allies nowadays; the Sunnis are being seen as a threat due to their closeness with Saudi Arabia.

[Juxtapose]

@Skinhead-1979 nope, Hamas is a vicious terrorists organization and trying to paint them any other way is disingenuous at best.

https://youtu.be/jwvsrybklf8?si=H7A4UGe4WROlV3kl

[Skinhead-1979]

The Lebanese army is *IMPOTENT* *

I need an edit option...

[Skinhead-1979]

Of course Hamas has gone too far with locking up and torturing anyone they've suspected to be an informer... What do you expect? The PA does it too and so does Israel. So Hamas really doesn't stand out there.

Any organisation, country, does that when they are under threat... real or imaginary... The IRA did that, the ISU unit. Iran goes too far when its paranoid when protests break out in the country supported by Israel...

... and what has the US done in Guantanamo bay? Exactly the same, arresting everyone they even slightly suspected of doing dodgy stuff and locking them up in Guantanamo Bay, often without real proof, locking them up for years while subjecting them to torture... only to release them years later because they had done nothing wrong.

This Mosab Hassan Yousef speaks of a time when Hamas was different; Hamas has been slowly, but surely, transforming itself over the recent years. If it wants to be taken seriously internationally some day in the future if there are 2 states or, hopefully, 1 unified state, they have no choice but to reform... and that needs to be done 'yesterday' and not 'tomorrow'.

[Skinhead-1979]

There is a civil war within Palestinian society between the Corrupt PA and Hamas. Hamas won the elections of 2006, Hamas won in all territories, but the Corrupt PA refused to relinquish power. That turned into open warfare in the same year leaving +/- 600 Palestinians dead. The PA still has 'sleeper cells' in Gaza waiting for an opportunity to seize power and PA authority figures keep openly calling for a take-over in Gaza. So yes, Hamas arrests everyone they suspect of being a member of the PA's security forces, interrogates them and either releases them or executes them.

It's specifically being claimed that Mosab Hassan Yousef has prevented many *Hamas* suicide bombings while being under cover between 1997 - 2007; during that time most bombings have been executed by the PFLP, Al Aqsa Martyr Brigades, Palestinian Islamic Jihad... and only a handful by Hamas, of which quite a few are being disputed. Hamas had stopped being the main threat to Israel by then.

Mosab's role is being exaggerated; sure, he was still valuable... it's not every day that the son of a founding member of an armed, enemy, group walks voluntarily into the enemy camp and offers his services... but, as I have stated, Hamas had by then largely stepped away already from the worst atrocious acts they have committed in the past.

[Skinhead-1979]

Mosab Hassan Yousef had a far greater psychological effect than a Security one.

Can you imagine the fear amongst Hamas' leadership when they fund out someone of their own, a son of a former leader no less, was collaborating with the enemy?

That must have upset any kind of operations tremendously.

[Juxtapose]

@Skinhead-1979 I completely and wholly reject your false equivalency of Western civilizations to barbaric, jihadi terrorists.

[Juxtapose]

Hamas to this day wants to genocide the Jewish people. If I went into their territory and openly told them about my bisexuality? They would kill me.

But people want me to believe that Israel is the same as Hamas. Give me a break!

[Skinhead-1979]

That's exactly the problem... Israeli 'Hasbara' has rooted itself deep in western society; they've been very successful projecting their propaganda for decades... but its falling apart.

I cannot tell you what to believe, nor would I want to do that.

It's been a journey for me... I wasn't born supporting Palestinians. Up till my 20s I didn't give a damn about them and I only saw Palestinian atrocities on TV.

But I started reading articles, 1 came after the other, and my stance completely changed. I've got years and years of research behind me, and I am not focusing solely on a few sources... and most certainly not only on sources which only suit my narrative. I double check information, I cross reference... you name it.

I talk to people, Israeli and Palestinian; I watch and read news site; also Israeli sites and accounts; I watch Documentaries etc

Our media sites are shite... You'd be surprised how revealing and forthcoming Israeli news sites are.

[Skinhead-1979]

And it's fine if people think Israel has a right to exist... but be honest and stop cheering for Genocide

(I am not referring to you, I have to be clear in that; despite us having a, rather big, disagreement... I respect your point of view)

Yes, there are also people on the Palestinian side who cheer at the atrocities committed on Israelis and that is just as much wrong... but believe me, it is far less. Every person dying, regardless of his or her background, is one too many.

This conflict continues, and will continue, because Israel does not give the Palestinians equal rights; it is that simple. Israel can stop it all, but it won't because Zionists have an agenda to fulfil.

[Juxtapose]

@Skinhead-1979 that is complete nonsense. Israel does not discriminate against people, meanwhile many nearby countries do not allow Jews in there. You are talking like you are from opposite land.

The entire Arab world practices apartheid when it comes to biological sex. With Israel, they only do what they have to to protect themselves from terrorist attacks. They are actually breaking records of how few fatalities are occurring on the civilian side in their Urban warfare.

[Skinhead-1979]

I'd say it is just best we leave it here; I am not going to listen to projections... I am sorry

I am not even going to reply any further... the Hasbara runs deep in you and it has completely blinded you.

Take care

[Juxtapose]

@Skinhead-1979 and you have been blinded by taqiyya.

[sage2021]

I'm surprised they didn't blame Trump for 911
They blame him for everything else!

[rosemilk]

i've never heard that one. conspiracy theories are exhausting

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

That's totally wrong.

[DarkLegacy]

Throughout history people blame the Jews for everything. They will blame them for coronavirus and climate change next.

[Juxtapose]

Yes and it absolutely disgusts me. Haven't they been through enough?

[DarkLegacy]

They even got blamed for the plague because less of them got sick. The reason being is that hand washing and hygiene was practiced by them due to their religion

[Sasahara]

Dumb people belive dumb shit. And right now its "in" amoung SJWs to craptalk jews.

[Juxtapose]

I will never believe them again when they talk about caring about past atrocities and genocide.

[OtterMan68]

Jews have been blamed for everything from the Black Death to Hillary Clinton winning in 2016

[CaptainSmartass]

Because they're massive nazis.

Simples...

[gorydetails]

Probably because there was that group of israelis dancing and cheering the attacks

[Juxtapose]

Yeah, there was groups of blacks and other people doing the same thing. Should we form some conspiracy about Africa?

[gorydetails]

How is that a conspiracy? It happened.

[Juxtapose]

Saying that Jewish people were behind 9/11 is the height of stupidity.

[Dargil]

I believe Saracens are behind 911.

[Juxtapose]

Yep, for once the official story checks out.

[Kelly6]

I believe CIA used terrorist to do that to start wars.

Yup Wars…

[DJB72]

A combination of bigotry and wilful ignorance.