Do you think there is election fraud in presidential elections in the US?

[msc545]

Do you understand that there is no election fraud in this country, and if there were it would be so small as to have no effect, or conversely so large as to be discovered and remedied? Trump lost in 2020 because he is to many people a very unpleasant person, and not because of any sort of fraud.

I don't care - I KNOW there was election fraud:

There was no election fraud:

[lightbulb27]

You have to define fraud…ill define it as cheating.


I agree he lost because of his personality, thats why i blamed him for the loss and agreed with it.


Thats diff than saying there is no fraud. there's fraud in ither elections… how can you definitively say there is none? Again here's a few:


* govt uses its power to tell online engines to filter out a news story that had at least some truth to it. Corrupt!


* prior democratic convention where democrats caught red handed chesting bernie sanders… eg they know how to cheat!


* their positions in voting without id verifications


* the rest of the issues i dint have facts but above are facts… point is there are other quwstionable issies. But when was being evaluated the democrats in charge poo pood it… the same way republicans would have if they won.


* sead people voting?


Its not as good as it could be but better than most. Wnough to mattrr… when its that close gotta wonder. Thats why inlike to see anwiser margin.


Concern now should be having deciding state influenced by vp pick. That could be trouble.

[goaded]

Well, multiple Republicans have been caught voting twice or for dead relatives, ballot stuffing (a mayoral candidate) and NC-09 an election or two ago... Voter fraud is rare, though.

Election interference, by (again) Republican states purging rolls of people who hadn't moved house (as they'd claimed), installing election deniers to oversee elections, passing laws to make it easier to challenge ballots and elections with little or no evidence, etc. are a lot more common.

Gerrymandering.

[goaded]

"Froman, whom Republicans nominated to serve on the Kalamazoo County canvassing board and whose term began last year, said he's personally checked tens of thousands of voters' addresses. He said he "most definitely" believes the 2020 election was stolen from Trump.

Asked if he would certify the 2024 presidential election if it unfolded the same way the 2020 one did, Froman replied, "No. And that's why I'm there.""
www.detroitnews.com/.../

[msc545]

Hearsay.

[goaded]

LOL. Do you know anyone who can't admit error or stop digging the hole they're in? ↗

[msc545]

That would be my ex-wife.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

Yes, most certain

[exitseven]

The truth is that nobody knows if there was fraud or not. Over a this and people came forward and submitted signed affidavits reporting instances of voter fraud. The few cases that were actually investigated were only investigated partially so a finding never came out. The one I remember was the one where a white van shows up at the polling place after it closed and boxes were brought inside. The woman that reported it was a poll worker. She had cell phone video. The people that interviewed her said that the video was not clear enough to determine if those pieces of paper were really fake ballots or just pieces of paper about the same size as ballots that were really flyers from the local supermarket. Then they thanked the woman for coming in. No wonder the majority of the country is not convinced that Biden really won.

Why didn't the FBI track down who was driving that van? They could investigate every single person that was in DC on Jan6th and are still arresting people. They could find the driver of the van if they really wanted to. Why don't they want to find him?

[NathanDavis]

there's always some little fraud here and there... in all elections, not just the USA

[msc545]

I think you were right about this but little fraud is little. It does not change the results of elections and that is really all that counts. The rest of it is just people taking advantage of the anxiety and distress that any sort of fraud causes. The anxiety and distress are misplaced in this case.

[NathanDavis]

in the USA is just propaganda, and of course by the one that loses...

even to the point to ignore the frauds that went to favor them

some people really don't care about it though... because a lot of people just see what they want to see whether is true or not is beyond them, we are at that point at American, which is something more of a detriment than actual election frauds that have never been substantial in the first place

[msc545]

well said, thanks!

[GenXguy]

2020 was the least secure election in US history. What we have seen since is one side advocating for more secure elections while the other side wants no ID voting, ballot harvesting, no signature verification mail in ballots and have allowed 10+ million illegal border crossings while advocating for blanket amnesty, and giving them voting rights. That waters down the votes of US citizens, effectively making our votes count for less than 1 vote... that is disenfranchisement and a far greater "threat to democracy" than what they're gaslighting over. And they're actively dismantling the electoral system, the only thing maintaining our Federal Republic status.

[msc545]

That is like what... maybe 10 conspiracy theories mentioned in one post? Does your head hurt?

[OhLongJohnsoning]

The 2020 election was the most secure in election history. Republicans just hate that he lost, haha. Good. FUCK THAT TRUMP

[coachTanthony]

Hilary Clinton said her election was stolen so not sure what to tell ya !

[Anonymous]

With all the money at stake, logically you'd think so. But I see no HARD PROOF.

[Sevenpointfive]

how would we know?

[slatyb]

No evidence. They looked and found nothing.

[Guacamole409]

Yes.