Should Trans Women Be Locked Up In Male Prison Or Female Prison?

[CaliChick94]

As a trans woman, I would just accept whatever prison that they put me in and serve my time.

Prison is prison, would suck either way

Male Prison

Female Prison

Male Prison But Their Own Cell Block

Female Prison But Their Own Cell Block

[Anonymous]

I'm not an expert since I don't plan to go to prison, but based on what I have researched it seems like the main factors should be whether or not you've had lower surgery and whether or not you have a history of violence against a particular sex. If either of those are the case, then you need extra supervision/protection—for the safety of all prisoners involved—regardless of which prison you end up in.

For example: the trans woman who was put in women's prison like normal despite having not had lower surgery and having indeed had a very strong history of sexual violence against women specifically: bad move. Obviously she would target the other prisoners. She should have had special oversight because in either prison someone would have been at very unusually high risk of violence (in the women's prison the other prisoners, and in the men's prison the trans prisoner).

So the short answer: the women's prison, but potentially with special precautions—just like any other high-risk prisoner should be handled.

[BetaBucks]

The only scenario where a male should ever be housed with females is if he's been fully penectomized. Arguably even fully physically emasculated, so even the testosterone levels don't create an additional threat to the females. But this is worst case scenario. Best case scenario is segregated housing in male prisons, so they won't have such a high SA risk by the other male inmates. SA is not a punishment for crime, and protecting inmates from it is necessary. Even the shitty inmates.

[CaliChick94]

If I was an inmate, I would be fine being in a male prison but in segregated housing. I would have no freedom either way, but I would not get rape

[BetaBucks]

Yeah, that's a super fair outlook. But let's hope you never end up in prison 🤞🏼

[JSkye]

Female prison 100%

There is the issue of preventing sexual activity/pregnancy in prison that many are concerned with, which is why I would say a separate block (if she is pre-GRS only).

Putting a trans woman in either prison would be pretty bad, but I feel like it would be a nightmare scenario to put her in a male prison.

[CaliChick94]

Yeah, because men in prison are horny pigs. If I was locked up in a male prison with the general public for sure I would get rape

[JSkye]

Or worse 😥

[CaliChick94]

Yep murder

[strateguy632]

To @CaliChick94
but isn't a lady assigned male at birth in a lady prison the same As you wrote?

[thearchjoker]

So the transgender inmate can impregnate the female inmates?

www.nbcnews.com/.../nj-trans-prisoner-impregnated-2-inmates-transferred-mens-facility-rcna38947

[JSkye]

@thearchjoker Not at all. I said housed separately if they are still capable of doing so. If incapable of doing so (no longer having the parts to do so), I see no reason why they couldn't be housed together

[HelpfulWoman]

either prison that can accomodate but their own block

[MisterWack]

The issue with this question is, the guards don’t want the men with women & women with men to discourage sexual activities / impregnation (assuming)

Honestly being a Trans Woman might get guys attentions so, they’d probably put you off in your own cell since you have the lower anatomy (assuming no surgery took place in this scenario), that way women can’t get their ‘fix’ and be impregnated.

I don't know if this is doing justice of my thought process. I’m an ally of LGBTQ+ just thinking about how the prisons would be arranged is strange to me since I’m unfamiliar with the system. TRANS RIGHTS ARE PEOPLE’S RIGHTS! 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈

[CaliChick94]

I would be fine with having my own cell

[MisterWack]

@CaliChick94 Alright cool! 👍

[Kaneki05]

Female prison. There would be no issues.
1st If she tries to assault in anyway acting on the privilege man body over them I do very much think all the women would turn hostile very quickly towards this trans, to the point they very much regret it.
2nd Just normal sex? Honestly who cares, and if one questions what if pregnancy? There is a thing called abortion. Just make it so by law they have to have one.

You could also, make a choice if they do any penetration with their penis they are thrown out and taken to a Male prison. Simples.

[BetaBucks]

If you had a young female family member that was accused of a crime and awaiting trial, would you be okay with her sharing a cell with a male?

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks That's weird in the first place.
As per section '1.4 An unconvicted prisoner must not in any circumstances be required, against their will, to share a cell with a convicted prisoner - Prison Rule 7(2)(b).'

Not sure how it is in America but over here you have the right to not be sharing a cell with a convict. Which then it's just up to them which solves me needing to worry about that.

[BetaBucks]

So as long as the trans male has not been convicted yet, you don't care? And if they're both convicted, you also don't care? Just as long as they don't have different conviction statuses?

[BetaBucks]

Also, in America, there is no such thing as consensual sex while in custody. That's consider rape here, and we have strict enforcement against that. Female inmates aren't in a position to be able to consent to sex with a male, because they are in custody and in a position of vulnerability.

[BetaBucks]

Also, you're okay with the government forcing females to have abortions? That doesn't seem ethical to me.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks It's not rape. It's rape according to law but anyone knows it's not rape if two decide to have sex within custody based on their own merit, and no one would actually agree that's the same as rape.
It's only there to discourage it happening.
But the law not wanting to deal with something so then making it illegal is a bad and lazy way of doing it.

And of course. It's simple you don't want to have an abortion don't get pregnant in jail.
You make your choice. It's not as if you want find out randomly it would be something you already are aware of and took that decision to do it anyway.
Meaning you don't care or somehow dumb enough to think you could get away with it?

[Kaneki05]

Though if you don't like abortions then how about we just take away the baby put them in orphanage so your tax dollars can go to it. Then they'll be kids who are growing up without their real parents and typically have a worse off life, not to mentions criminals as parents.
That's okay too if that's what you want.
But I see the other way better for everyone.

[BetaBucks]

I don't like forcing medical procedures on people that aren't consenting. It has nothing to do with liking or not liking abortions.

And even though you disagree that it's rape, it still legally is, and activist groups spent a lot of time and effort to get laws passed to protect our inmates. As a basic human right, because most of us can recognize that this isn't a position of consent. Even if you don't see our perspective.

Taking the baby away, assuming the mom wants the baby to be born, would obviously be the more humane solution, so we can agree there.

As for the conviction status questions I asked before that, I'm still curious what your perspective is.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks No activists groups fought for that, actually maybe one did there is always some nuts activists group out there.
Two adults consenting to have sex is never rape pretending it is just because they are in prison is funny. Been forced and wanting to having sex are two vastly different things.
Unless you for some reason are under the assumption all women in prisons don't want sex which is even more absurd, plenty of times like with guards for example they actually came onto them which is for sure not how rape works.

More human but more illogical and hurts more in the process. The child is likely to not be happy, the child is likely to follow their parents footsteps been in cells themselves, wastes money, and the real parents aren't happy as they don't get to see their own children.
In everyway besides some pro-life argument it's across the board negatives.
Medical procedures it would be consented the very fact you got pregnant would be the consent, it would be like saying well we can't lock up someone without their consent... well you can and have to if they do something that makes it so.

Of course in my world prisoners would be offered protection as I don't see sex in prison as a bad thing. The thing with that is, prisoners are always going to have sex it's normal urge we have it don't stop in prison many will have relationships in there and I don't see any point stopping that and the fact is you actually can't unless you solitary them.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks I didn't answer that point because I thought my comment was pretty clear and I am not sure what your misunderstanding there.
I don't care because they have the right to not be kept in the same room as a convict anyway.

[BetaBucks]

We've had prison reform activists fighting for inmate rights for decades. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it true. And the point is that there are times when adults can't consent, and one of those is while in custody. That's why we protect our inmates. It has zero to do with them being horny. But I understand you don't see it that way, and that's fine. But this is the way we see it here and it's the way we made our laws.

Getting pregnant isn't consent to be forced into a medical procedure. That's psychotic. Legitimately a heartless way of looking at human life.

[BetaBucks]

About the conviction status, I explained that both can be not convicted. And also both can be convicted. And I'm curious if you think that this is a scene you would be okay with for your family member. If they both had the same conviction status.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks But people do get horny in prison and do just have sex casually and that it should be a case by case thing rather than just whatever the book says.
In fact something I despise within in the law is not taking what actually happened but just going by what the book says.
This leads to many wrongful and unfair, unjust convictions and more dictatorship rules that don't take consideration of the case.
Even in crimes there should be considerations to how and why it happened, not just oh it happened so book them for max years because that's what the law says let's not think about what or why.
Law is not absolute and there is laws that generally don't help when they should only be applied when they actually do.
Tell me, who does it help if a woman comes onto a guard they have sex both adults, both finding it good to then stop that? And call it rape? Did it help her? No it did not. Now all you got is a annoyed horny girl who ain't getting what she wants no more and a guard who just lost his job and convicted. Who on earth did this help?

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks Heartless? What's heartless about wanting to stop a kid been brought up separated from his family, to stop the mother in prison been upset she can't see her son/daughter?
If you ask me that's empathy and correcting a bad situation.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks Well it would be a case by case thing for sure. But in most cases I think it would fine. Obviously if one was convicted for robbery and your in a room with a convicted rapist that has the want to do that to you this would be a very dumb idea. But if both were just robberies yeah why not, they probably get along tbh.
Aka just do a threat assessment.

[Kaneki05]

Same applies for whatever crime they are going to be in court for.

[BetaBucks]

It helps future women who don't have the means to consent because of the fact that they're in custody. And horniness isn't consent. Children get horny too, but they can't consent. But it's clear you don't see things this way.

[BetaBucks]

What is heartless is forcing a medical procedure on anyone. Just because they are in custody, doesn't mean they aren't human and don't have basic human rights. And it's not like prison is forever. Even if it was that doesn't make it right for us to force this on a woman. It's, without a doubt, heartless.

[BetaBucks]

Okay, so it's clear that you're fine with males being locked in a cell with your female family members. You don't care about the obvious added risk. Back to my point about being heartless. What about if the male no longer identifies as a woman? Is that the deciding factor? But you also admitted that the nature of the crime makes a difference. So violent male trans criminals need to be housed separately, right? You DO recognize that males are an additional threat to females. You just don't care unless it's certain situations. Again, heartless. You're probably a literal psychopath based on everything you've commented here. So you don't give two fucks about the well-being of female inmates. Only about proving some point. Your ego matters more than people's human rights and safety. Nothing more to say then. You've made it clear who you are. No going back from that now.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks Heartless for recognizing everything is subjective to the case by case rather than thinking everything should be ruled with such a narrow iron fist vision.
Sure, think what you want but all I got from this is you can't ever think about all the scenarios and only think of the worst outcomes and making dishonest arguments about them as you ignore the scenario I give.

In the end you don't understand nature of my points with your narrow mindset and I hope you were and are never a judge because you would have zero empathy for any case or perspective of what even happened.
But hey I am the psychopath for having that, sure.

[BetaBucks]

Nice try with attempting to flip the script here. No matter what you say, the fact is that you're heartless. You don't care that women are raped or forced into abortions. Nothing you say can compensate for that.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks It's not flipping the script it's true. Not my problem if you can't see it, keep thinking what you want of me it's totally right and not wrong at all.
Sometimes the best thing one can do is agree with an idiot he is right. Good job you are right.

Just don't bother me when you see one of my next opinions saying all rapists should just be killed because that would fracture your mind of understanding since you are totally right about me not caring about that.

[BetaBucks]

It absolutely is, and it's not my problem that you're lying that it isn't. I'll think whatever I want, but you made it completely clear. if it makes you feel powerful and fuels your psychopath ego to call me an idiot and declare yourself the winner, then go for it. Doesn't change anything.

Why would I care that you think all rapists should be killed? It sounds like a great idea. I just don't trust the government to do it.

[Kaneki05]

@BetaBucks yup I am lying your right 100%.
Just go away already I really don't care anymore lol

[BetaBucks]

I'm sure you don't. Have a great day!

[thearchjoker]

There have already been multiple cases where trans women have impregnated woman in female jails. thus sending them there is not a option they must be sent to male jails to protect the female inmates.

[andreasderjuengere]

How can someone who claims to be one (or the other) gender be treated as if there are more than 2 genders?

Let them ''identify'' as one or the other prisoner - and then let them handle the consequences on their own.

[Anonymous]

Trans women aren’t female so I think they should go to the male prison.

[CaliChick94]

I think if male prison

In their own cell block

[Opinion Owner]

Sure

[Anonymous]

Number one don’t commit crimes…. Number two a male prison. It’s not like these women are getting pregnant by another woman. It’s a dude with a penis and beard raping the women

[Lliam]

Male prison, especially if they are still fully intact.

[Anonymous]

I work in a female prison. A few trans women were locked up in this prison at various different times. Women were raped, badly assaulted and a few got pregnant.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

They are male so male prison.

[CaliChick94]

I am okay with that with being put in male prison only if trans are not in general

[Iron_Man]

Male and isolated

[CaliChick94]

I would be fine with that if I ever get arrested and put in prison. Men in prison are horny pigs

[Iron_Man]

Are you Trans

[CaliChick94]

Yes I am

[Iron_Man]

You should put that in your profile because most people do if not, you confuse the other males

[CaliChick94]

Sounds good

[Iron_Man]

Ok……

[HumbleDragon]

I’d put you in male prison, but then make a separate cell block. But mostly how about you don’t go to prison. It’ll suck for you

[Cubus]

Male. They still have a dick and could be dangerous for fellow female prisoners.

[TheWombRaider]

Isna trans women a man that is now a women. Or a women that is now a man

[CaliChick94]

There are FTM and MTF. Seems like MTF is much more common

[JSkye]

I think it's about equal, just that society as a whole is a LOT more concerned with MtF.

[BetaBucks]

@JSkye isn't it completely ridiculous that a white male can go from the absolute bottom of the social hierarchy, to the absolute top, with just self identification as a woman? Whereas a female gets completely forgotten about it she decides to identify as a man.

There was that one case where a female lived as a man for a year and ended up unaliving herself after she was treated like absolute garbage. Or, what she assumed was garbage, but is the norm for most guys.

[JSkye]

@BetaBucks Top of the social hierarchy? What are you talking about?
Do you mean that they get talked about, told they aren't allowed to exist, and debated over what their rights are allowed to be?

[BetaBucks]

I've never heard of that happening, but what i mean is that the left holds dominance over our culture and trans people are prioritized, celebrated and even worshiped. Whereas white males are shit on as a hobby in our culture and in our institutions. Legally too.

[JSkye]

@BetaBucks We must live in different worlds, because that's not what I see, and I live in a very blue state. I know a lot of trans women, and there is not a one that I don't see openly attacked and ridiculed with frightening regularity.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks I agree, as soon as I transitioned into a white male all of a sudden i started getting shit on in my culture and institutions. It's so unfair that the left has such a dominant hold over the legal system that they're making new laws just to make my life harder as a man. Smh dumb liberals want to erase masculinity and force us all to become women. 😒

[BetaBucks]

If by "attacked and ridiculed" you mean people disagreeing with their PoV or not wanting them around naked little girls, I don't think that's a fair argument. People disagree with literally everyone's ideologies and ridicule them for it. Your's and mine included. That's part of life.

[BetaBucks]

@CheeseMonster disingenuous attempt. Not even a good effort.

[JSkye]

@BetaBucks I mean people tracking them down on social media just to tell them how terrible of human beings they are. Nothing to do with ideologies. I have seen so many conversations from my friends where people they don't even know directly threaten their life just for them existing

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks lol say something more believable if you want a more believable mockery of it. Although if you swap "left" with "right" then what I said is actually true, except for the last sentence.

[BetaBucks]

People do that to every kind of person possible. And it almost always has to do with specific behaviors. I highly doubt these specific people were tracked down for simply existing and attacked for continuing to exist. That doesn't seem honest at all.

[JSkye]

@BetaBucks Then perhaps you should open your eyes and get to know some trans women before blindly assuming what their lived experience is

[BetaBucks]

@CheeseMonster how do you figure?

[BetaBucks]

I live in CA and know plenty of trans people. I think you're just being dishonest.

[JSkye]

@BetaBucks Lol, sure I am. Believe whatever you wish to. Either way, this conversation is over. Feel free to walk away BELIEVING you are right. I will walk away KNOWING that I am

[BetaBucks]

Yeah, I'm not shocked that this is your disposition throughout life. You seemed like a narcissist from the beginning.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks what do you mean "how do you figure"? What did you mean when you said white men get shit on in culture, institutions, and legally?

[BetaBucks]

You can't answer the question?

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks I can, but I'm surprised you asked. You were the first person to use those phrases. Is this your way of saying that you just say things without knowing what they mean, and now you need me to explain your own claims so that you can disagree with them? If so I can do that. If not, you could simply go ahead and disagree with them since you would already know what they mean...

[BetaBucks]

I'll start over for you: How do you figure that swapping the left and the right would be an accurate portrayal of reality?

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks because then it would be "as soon as I transitioned into a white male all of a sudden i started getting shit on in my culture and institutions. It's so unfair that the [right] has such a dominant hold over the legal system that they're making new laws just to make my life harder as a man." And that is literally what happened, so it is an accurate portrayal of reality.

[BetaBucks]

It's impossible to transition race, and there's plenty of stories about trans men getting treated like shit after transitioning. One even killed him/herself over it. So I don't think this is reality. Studies show women have an in-group bias towards women, and men have an out-group bias towards women, in general.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks i was already white, and I didn't stop being white when I transitioned to a man. Sorry if the wording confused you.
And how would stories of trans men getting treated like shit not SUPPORT what I said: that I was treated like shit as a trans man? That sounds like you agree exactly on what the reality is.

[BetaBucks]

Man. Exactly.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks so if trans women transition to be women because women get treated better, why on earth would trans men transition to be men when they know they will be treated much worse?

[BetaBucks]

Because they have an internal drive to do it. they aren't motivated by society's treatment. Just like most trans women aren't. they're driven by something completely different.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks agreed. It seems like you don't believe that trans people are prioritized over white men after all, you just believe all women are, trans women included. Is that what you actually believe even though you can see right here that trans women face an (at least one) obvious disadvantage in the legal system that cis women do not?

[BetaBucks]

It's both. All women, in general, and trans women, even more. And trans women are prioritized over cis women, in many different contexts. Like the one we are discussing here. In which you likely prioritize trans women over cis women.

It's not a disadvantage to not be able to be housed with the opposite sex just because you wanted to live along the current gender norms/stereotypes of the opposite sex.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks you can read my opinion and see I prioritize safety of all prisoners based on the facts. The fact that this is even a discussion is the disadvantage trans women face: they can't just get sent to prison and serve their time like everyone else. It has to be a debate, they have to prove themselves, and no matter where they end up they're still at higher risk of being targeted than cis prisoners are.

[BetaBucks]

Prisons are segregated by sex, not gender identity. That's not a disadvantage, that's reality. I don't get housed with females either, even though I would like to. Of course it would be safer and more fun for me. But more dangerous for them. That's not a disadvantage for me, it's reality of being placed with my biological sex.

Your opinion isn't visible on this post, but if you believe that putting males in prison with females is ever right, then you're prioritizing your trans preferences over female safety. Proving my point about males taking the top of the social hierarchy if they say they are trans.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks would a cis woman be disadvantaged if she were housed in a men's prison? Why or why not?

[BetaBucks]

Yes, because she's a biological female. Unlike a trans woman. And that's why we segregate based on sex. Gender identity is irrelevant. Not to mention a trans woman can stop pretending to be a female at literally any point in time. Especially if it is a threat to her life. But also, my answer was to put trans women into segregated housing with other trans women. Regardless of whether it's in a larger complex built for males or one built for females. Although it makes the most sense to pick the ones built for males.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks WHY is being a biological female a disadvantage for her in a men's prison?

[BetaBucks]

Because males are more dangerous, and more rapey than females. That's why we don't put males and females together. Fortunately trans women aren't females, so they don't have to same risks and can compete with other males. Better than putting entire cell blocks at dramatically increased risk. Nothing you say will get me to disregard the basic safety needs or human rights of females. You won't wear me down and you aren't manipulative enough to trick me into a different belief. Plus, you know you're wrong, but are now just trying to "win" to protect your ego and support your cult.

[CheeseMonster]

@BetaBucks oh. Damn. I hope you misspoke, or that I am incorrect in assuming you're a cis man yourself. But I'm not comfortable talking about women with a self-described "dangerous, rapey" man. Goobye.

[BetaBucks]

Lmfao 🤝

[SoJust]

I don't know, everyone should do as they want.

[Snakeyes7]

Just because that criminal calls themselves a woman doesn't mean that's true.

[Anonymous]

Obviously, men should always go to a men's prison... and get some mental health therapy while he's there

[GayCountry]

They would be safer in women prison!! Male prisoners are very sexual horny predators

[strateguy632]

Invent a trans prison

[_Senorita_]

What have you done dude?

[gatixek710]

You're a man, you go to man jail.

[CaliChick94]

If I am locked up in man jail, I hope that I would be in a different cellblock

[Anonymous]

No they just need capital punishment

[CaliChick94]

Lol what kind of capital punishment? Is that extreme?

[Opinion Owner]

My mouths shut on this matter now that's all I'm saying

[Anonymous]

Nice tits.