Is anti-immigrant idiots just fear of a natural progression?

[OddBeMe]

Translatio imperii is a term for the transitions of civilizations. Greek to roman to franks. Greeks are still around by the way.

[MisterWack]

French were treated by “natural borns” the same way Jewish Prussians were treated by “natural borns”, the same way Italians to Catholics to the Irish and now…. South American.

This senseless hatred, bigotry, racism is unfounded and people rambling from the rooftops ain’t going to fix sh*t or prove nothin’.

If these people really cared, they would support people actually trying to fix the problems 1. Fentanyl detectors at all checkpoints 2. Increase in number of Border Agents 3. Increase wages for Border Workers 4. Close the border when traffic is too high to relieve stress from the system that falls onto our border agents just doing their job

Donald Trump killed the bill along with Republicans, while Kamala Harris is the only one to pledge to bring it back through a two step plan 1. Reintroduce it in the Congress 2. Once it reaches her desk, sign it.

Just a reminder: Trump couldn’t do this with Republican Majority 2017 because his solve all solution was the wall that doesn’t work.

If you believe Biden failed the border, you are in luck because Biden will be gone come January 20th 2021 however by voting Trump you are letting the same failure sell you new lies & broken dreams…. VOTE KAMALA HARRIS AND YOU GOT A NEW HOPE! 🇺🇸

I’m a former Trump supporter, time to turn the page. Turn the damn page and start a new bright chapter with a new generation of leadership than these old tired exhausted men who need to go to the nursing home…. Kamala Harris will do a great job! She is the man for the job! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[MisterWack]

Kamala Harris is the only one to pledge to keep Social Security by the way, the other tried to eliminate it multiple times in office… You don’t want to lose your Social Security benefits along with Trump wanting to raise the retirement age while Kamala Harris has vowed to keep it the same it is now.
Tax breaks (taxes decreased under Tim Walz), Child Tax Credit (increased under Tim Walz), 15 week Paid Parental leave for Amazon Warehouse Workers, Hospital & Nursing Home Staff, and School Faculty, Increasing Minimum Wage, etc.(all Under Tim Walz)

Now let’s talk about Kamala Harris’ record: Chips And Science Act for Technology Based Manufacturing Jobs (Microchips To Out Compete China), Pact Act for Millions of Veterans to receive the benefits they deserve for putting their life on the line every day for our freedoms, Bipartisan Infrastructure Law (Helps rebuild our Infrastructure), and so much more.

2026 Drug costs slashed thanks to Democratic control.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah she's running a liberal campaign for sure.

[MisterWack]

@OddBeMe Liberal campaign & a hopeful rejuvenating campaign too.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

If I'm being neutral, migrations, legal or not, are certainly an expected evolution, our entire human history is about invasions of people in all directions. Borders will never stop people wanting a piece of the cake, even if the cake is a lie, often enough 😏

[Anonymous]

Yes the native Americans were racist bigots when the white man turned up. So were the Palestinians with the jews. So were Africans and indians with the British. The aborgines when the British were having abo hunts must have said Translatio imperii to make themselves feel better as they fled for their lives. The Russians too should have stopped being anti immigrant bigots and surrendered in 1941.

The liberals who are pro open boarders and unchecked immigration like yourself only care when it affects themselves. What you call champagne socialism. We saw this in Martha's vineyard where the pro immigrant liberal elites welcomed them with bottles of water and tins of food while posting selfie on their social media but in reality they had them locked up in the basement of a Christian church instead of putting them up in the thousands of vacant rooms there and brought them to Al the 5 star restaurants or even offered them employment, no instead they had the national guard ship bus them under armed guard to the nearest fishing village making it their problem. We also see this in liberal cities that are being overrun with ilegal immigrants that they can't support.

The government is elected to look after its people and defend its boarders. If everyone did what you suggest we'd all be speaking German.

[OddBeMe]

No actually... illegal migrants affect no one. Liberals certainly aren't affected. If you're competing with illegals for jobs that's on you

[Opinion Owner]

Then what happens when they come for your earnings to house, feed, educate and give healthcare to these ilegals? Also there are a lot of accountants all over the world, who's to say they won't compete you if given a chance to earn better. Like liberals in new yorker everyone changes their mind when it happens to them.
Yes it's on citizens to vote for whatever party is going to look after their interests.

[OddBeMe]

When I google your list of things we give away to migrants... I'm not seeing much. There are small programs for illegals, but nothing big.

Now looking up Americans taking my tax money... that's tens of billions of dollars.

[Opinion Owner]

What tax dollars are Americans taking from you? Everyone has to pay their fair share of taxes.

[OddBeMe]

People who don't have jobs don't pay taxes genius. But they can take tax dollars.

[Opinion Owner]

People who are unemployed have paid tax meaning they are entitled to some of their tax back. People unemployed due to bad government decisions related to the economy and being made unemployed through ilegal immigration deserve welfare. Often welfare given is actually the return of high taxes taken from working people.

[OddBeMe]

So do illegal migrants. Sales tax.

[OddBeMe]

Also to help those in need. Citizen or not

[Opinion Owner]

Ilegal immigrants put people out of work meaning your tax is higher to pay welfare for the unemployed, ilegal immigrants work for less meaning they pay less taxes and have less money to spend meaning you have to pay more tax. Ilegals don't spend much money.

[lin123_]

Immigrants commit more crimes than the general population and i don't want caucasians to go extinct while getting replaced by POC.
I'm not going to apologize for this statement since this could easily happen. However, immigrants are welcome as long as they are able to integrate and willing to work.

[OddBeMe]

Please provide evidence of this. Cuz...
nij.ojp.gov/.../undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

[OlderAndWiser]

Calling people idiots because you disagree with them is not a mature response to conflict.

[OddBeMe]

Right, I'll tell trump to tone it down

[OlderAndWiser]

I knew you would sidestep and not respond directly.

[OddBeMe]

Respond to what? You heard the madison garden speech. Dems aren't calling uou an enemy

[OlderAndWiser]

YOU calling people idiots because you disagree with them is not a mature response to conflict.

[exitseven]

@OlderAndWiser I agree but in this case I stand with my comment.

[OlderAndWiser]

@exitseven. That comment is for @OddBeMe

[exitseven]

@OlderAndWiser okay. I get it.

[Daniela1982]

I think Oddball should invite them into his home to stay with him. Then you would hear him cry when they took over the place and kicked him out while they squatted on his dime. 🤣😂

[OddBeMe]

I be for immigration and not want anyone in my home.

I would rent out to migrants over you trump fcks

[Daniela1982]

@OddBeMe Sure, squatters with no job but lots of money - which you won't get - is always good. 😂

[OddBeMe]

With no job? Only Americans on the govt handouts can afford that. Not illegals

[SweetDripp]

I don't know many people who are anti-immigration. I do know a lot of people who are anti-ILLEGAL immigration. I believe most of the opposition to immigration is due to taxpayer funding of services being provided to those who broke our laws to come here.

[OddBeMe]

So they're illegal because we've made it harder to enter legally, yes?

[SweetDripp]

There is a lawful process to immigrate to the United States. If you immigrated without following that process, you broke the law. Just because the process is onerous doesn't mean it can be disregarded and it is ok to not follow it.
Is it difficult to enter legally? Sure. But it is the legal process.

[OddBeMe]

What is the lawful process? And why can't mexicans do it?

[SweetDripp]

Mexicans can do it. I don't know the process, but it involves application through the State Dept for permanent residency. Every immigrant who has a "Green Card" has come here legally.

[OddBeMe]

So starving at the border... its easy as your great great grandparents to do it legally like ellis island?

Lol no

[SweetDripp]

It's certainly unfortunate, but the US taxpayer isn't a charity. If you feel so passionately about feeding those that are starving, nothing is preventing you from using your own funds to feed and house them.

[OddBeMe]

It was when your great grandparents "immigrated" with ZERO documentation

[Juxtapose]

Overburdening a country's resources with needy/greedy foreigners who are not all that willing to assimilate is NOT progress.

You would probably love for there to be no borders and you would have no idea the catastrophe that would cause. All countries would disappear.

[msc545]

Especially if they aren't white right?

[OddBeMe]

Over burdening? Only when theyre treated like a burden

[Juxtapose]

Oh my god do I really need to explain to you guys why illegal immigrants poured into a country burden it?

[msc545]

Oh well sure - we know that illegal immigrants use more electricity than legal ones and in turn legal ones use more than citizens, and brown or black illegal ones are the worst of all.

I could respect you more if you would just ADMIT your racism and take pride in it.

[Juxtapose]

budget.house.gov/.../the-cost-of-illegal-immigration-to-taxpayers

[Juxtapose]

You're making this way too easy.

[msc545]

Sure, keep posting data from biased sources. Goes along with your own bias, doesn't it?

[nonyabeez-wax]

> post a government website as source.

"Omg, thats such a biased source"

My guy, it LITERALLY doesn't get less biased than that. Perhaps you are too far gone. But I'm going to chose to believe you are just ignorant to what ". gov" means in a URL.

[msc545]

@nonyabeez-wax you think the government tells the truth?

[Juxtapose]

@msc545 oh? Didn't you trust the CDC?

[msc545]

Not completely

[nonyabeez-wax]

@msc545 Not at all, but you people are the ones who trust politicians when they say dumb shit all the time instead of verifying it for yourself.

. gov has to generate or host the data making it a primary source. Unlike news outlets who site each other in a big circle till you figure out that Fox is citing CNN, which is citing MSNBC, which is citing CBS, which is citing Fox.

[Knightwatch27]

That's an extremely worn out knee-jerk response to valid concerns on out of control immigration whose consequences are now so potent that many are converting to the side of the isle in favour of restrictive measures. It is furthermore not a "natural progression" when you refer to Translatio imperii, that's simply denoting the shifting of dominant powers.

[OddBeMe]

What are the comsequences?

[Knightwatch27]

I know you know. But since we're playing dumb:
1. Culture clashes. My country Sweden has had numerous honour murders from islamic cultures of very young girls. Look up the tragedy of Fatima in Sweden.
2. Increased crime.
3. Parallel societies operating outside the law. Rinkeby in my country as an example where reporters could not even go without risking their lives.
4. Terrorism. Groups like IS sending agents with refugee waves to commit terrorism.
5. Economic burden. I'm in the Social issue board of the county council and one of our biggest costs that cause budget deficiency is immigrants and jobless immigrants. Immigrants needing integration and so forth. Which costs a ton of money.
6. Erosion of Western values and the dominant culture of the host nation. We saw this with Sharia police on London's streets.
7. Societal unrest. Violent riots and disrespect of the law. Such as the Easter riots here carried out by middle eastern muslims against a protester who legally aquired permission to burn the quran as part of a public protest which is part of our freedom of speech.

[_piotr]

@knightwatch27
Bravo! 100% true.

[Ladsin2]

No society ever has survived a mass influx of foreigners. In the past this was conquest and everyone knew it. In the modern day people who want the collapse of the west are advocating for mass migration, and people who have a broader view of history know why.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't care about immigrants coming into my country. i think it is political. that i don't like. it's obvious even and anyone that denies it is not very bright in my opinion. don't call yourself idiots. that makes you look stupid. ;D

[Dargil]

Rome did not fear it enough. That's a principal reason why it collapsed. They invited unvetted Aliens in to do jobs Roman citizens just wouldn't do. Especially in the Legions.

[OddBeMe]

Pretty sure it was their germanic wars

[exitseven]

Maybe it is. Immigrants have an important role in the development of America. Supporters of illegal immigration however are the idiots.

[OddBeMe]

Why? Illegal just means they made it harder to do it legally.

[exitseven]

Ni Illrgal means Illegal. Loik it up in the dictionary

[OddBeMe]

So its still as easy to immigrate like your grezt grparents at ellis island?

[exitseven]

it was not easy. they had to submit to a physical, Anyone that could not pass was sent back on the next boat. they needed to have a sponsor to sign for them. The government did not want them to end up on welfare. They also had to have a job ready. It was a big deal to be an American. They eventually became citizens. My father used to tell me how proud my grandmother was when she came home with her little American flag when she became a citizen.

[Berethor]

Leftist idiots want the white genocide to happen, greek, roman and franks was all white.

[_piotr]

No. They just do not want they country and culture destroyed.

[OddBeMe]

So many atrocities from idiots trying to save their idea of culture

[_piotr]

So many attrocities from woke people trying to destroy culture, art and morality and substitute it with rotten garbage...

[OddBeMe]

What atrocities from "woke people"?

[_piotr]

Being woke includes:
* 1) Racism towards white people,
* 2) Believing that one can change sex,
* 3) Radical men-hating feminism,
* 4) Culture of death - abortion and euthanasia,
* 5) Atheism
* 6) Totalitarian ruled society, in which you must obey or be canceled; strong propaganda,
* 7) Rejection of objective truth, historical truth, logic, etc...,
* 8 ) Glorification of disabilities, victimisation, fatness, mediocrity and so on instead of positive values, hard work and virtues, rejection of beauty and aesthetics,
* 9) Deep socialism,
* 10) Forced unification (everything needs to include mixed races, mixed cultures) and destruction of real diversity in the world,
* 11) Rejection of any moral authorities (including teachers and parents for children).
* 12) Promotion of egoism
* 13) Sexualization of children; inclusion of sex in entertainment, and many others aspects of life.
* 14) Inclusion of artificial problems like "cultural appropriation","racism towards orcs" in RPG fantasy games and so on,
* 15) Social "justice". Injustice based on premise that some people can be discriminated freely based on the grounds of their richness, skills, power, etc... If you are white men you can be discriminated because you are considered an enemy of the system. (REMEMBER: ""Justice and social justice are as similar to each other like a comfy armchair to an electric chair." Janusz Korwin-Mikke)
* 16) Exaggerated ecology and promotion of its bad conclusions: ordering the extermination of cattle, prohibiting meat, dairy and egg industries, shutting down production, forcing (not promoting) people to use things like electric cars, neglecting the pollution from China and other non Eoropean/USA parts of the world.
* The list can go on...

[OddBeMe]

Thats a lot of extra baggage. But i guess thats your definition.

Atheism is simply the "not belief" of people's god claim. Provide evidence

Some feminists may be radical as are Trumpers. doesn't define the group.

Abortion is hot topic. But i would surmise its from your religious beliefs. Thinking a fetus is a person is a quite idiotic. But taking away womens rights to their body needs more.

Scientifically there are two sexes. Also scientifically is gender dysphoria. Which treatment is allowing them to choose. Stay out of it. doesn't hurt you.

Totalitarian is trump. Whatever he says you fcks parrot.

[_piotr]

Wokeness regime is super totalitarian. But I guess for you and woke people everyone who is even 1 millimetre more to the right than Stalin is already a facist.

[OddBeMe]

you're deluded black and white thinking mirrors 30s germany... since you brought it up

[_piotr]

Rather you do not understand 30s Germany thinking. I live in Poland. It survived very hard nazi occupation. Many people were killed in horrifying ways, many in concentration camps - not only Jews. (Nazi made soap drom human fat, pillows stuffed with human hair, lampshades made from human skin. Made horrifying medical experiments on pregnant women.) My country survived also your beloved communism and all propaganda, censorship, tortures and what came with it.

You Americans thinking that some politician like Trump is totalitarian is just ridiculous. All this persecution and "cancelling" of people who fight with wokeness just because they honor God and have values are more inline with totalitarian propaganda than whatever Trump does.

Wokeness is a very evil, probably satanic ideology that is a result of postmodern thinking, leftism and masonic ideologies.

You constantly focus on Trump, he is just one politician in USA. There is whole world, other countries, thinkers, ideologies and philosophies. Everyday good clashes with evil. The stakes are human souls.

[OddBeMe]

Because rhe nazis slaughtered all the intellectuals you clearly aren't understanding simple logic

[_piotr]

I can't say that you understand simple logic either, comrade.

[_piotr]

Unfortunately, wokeness polluted and destroyed many minds in USA. Very bad for you that you are so indoctrinated by this evil ideology. I hope your eyes will open.

[_piotr]

Or maybe you do understand simple logic. Perhaps you are just a troll or someone, who gets well payed for spreading this awful ideology over the Internet.

[noohair]

I understand natural progression. I am in favor of that. The illegal aliens that came in over the last four years is tilting the game for the sake of pure power. Pure power is evil.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Just go ahead and say you are a traitor that hates America.

[OddBeMe]

Why? Because im for allowing migrants to acheive their American dream?

Maybe ask why americans aren't trying to acheive more

[Anonymous]

do pro-immigration idiots like you always fall for fake AI photos?

[saraupstairs]

No one is anti-immigrant.

[OddBeMe]

What was the hatian pet thing then?

[saraupstairs]

How long have you lived in Springfield, Ohio?