Should the West have helped the Ottoman Empire to survive after the First World War?

[Julie4]

[blackgaletiger]

The Ottoman Empire was already at a rapid decline at that point. It would have been extremely difficult to help them survive. Plus the west as in the British and French Empires had interest in the region hence why they split it up amongst themselves after the war. The west was already against Germany in WW1 and the Ottoman have already aligned themselves with Germany. If the west chose not to interfere with the Ottomans then the other groups such as the Arab who were controlled by them would have slowly killed them off. Egypt was under the British and influence and they couldnt afford to leave it under Ottoman control. Remember it was the Ottoman that delivered a harsh blow to Easter Christianity with the loss of Constantinople. That blocked direct routes to the Asian trade market cutting off India and China. So the West at that time really needed the end of Ottoman rule

[beefcakebradybatson]

How'd we get Luke Easter into this?

[Knightwatch27]

No? It was an islamic empire with contrary beliefs and values to the West. It continueously declined after their defeat at Vienna 1683 and was a tiny mess by WWI. The empire itself had record levels of fratrecides, a very short timespan of major influence and power compared to other empires and its biggest endeavour to block western Christian powers from eastern trade only lead to the same powers instead eclipsing them in size, wealth and strength with overseas colonies. It's biggest feat was taking Constantinople which saw a capital once the greatest and most beautiful city of the world with walls that deterred infamous people like Attila the Hun from even trying, decline to a mediocre hub with poorly maintained defenses and a capture the flag base for incessantly competing Ottoman princes.

[Julie4]

Why add a question mark to "no"?

[Knightwatch27]

It seems to me quite obvious that we shouldn't have helped an enemy survive.

[Julie4]

That's what you make clear in your answer. But what's the point of putting a question mark after your "no"?

[Knightwatch27]

The point is what I just wrote in my first reply.

[Anonymous]

After WW2 should the us have helped the British, French, Dutch, Belgium, Portuguese and Spanish empires survive? Or should the US have used that opportunity to take out its competitors and make them vassal states?

No to the Victors go the spoils of war. The Ottomans lost.

[Zack-Bann]

The ottomans were greedy barbaric animals with no regard to human life outside of their fellow turks.
They forcefully took that territory and enslaved and oppressed its people for over 400 years


When world war one came they sided with the axis powers and fought against the allies who turned to the people of the ottoman colonies for help.


Those people rose up, revolted, and fought against their oppressors with the promise that once the dust settles the empire would be gone and they would have independence


So no. I don’t think the west should’ve betrayed those who stood with it in times of war to restore an ungrateful and evil empire with no loyalty other than to itself

[Mettbltt]

There was never a minority uprising in the Ottoman Empire until 1737.
However, the Abaza rebellion that broke out in Anatolia between 1624 and 1632 and the Celali rebellion that broke out in 1519 were Turkish uprisings.
People shouldn't talk about things they don't know

[Mettbltt]

Thanks to the Ottoman istimalet policy, non-Muslim peoples never rebelled unless there was an external provocation.
The Ottoman Empire was much more understanding than western empires and never attempted colonization.

[Zack-Bann]

I am not talking about something I read in some bullshit book pal.
Those rebellions are part of my own heritage

And there’s no such thing as “being understanding” when you reserve the right to enslave people without any form of due process

[Mettbltt]

I won't argue bro
think as you want

[beefcakebradybatson]

As we black folk have said since 1619 !!!

[RavVid]

Possibly it ought to have though I think it was probably a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. I have mostly read of Turkey being the 'sick man of Europe' but there might be revisionist rebadging from Ottoman to Turkey in what we read now.

Woodrow Wilson was highly influential in wanting new boundaries of new countries drawn drawn on ethnic lines. Austria-Hungary Empire was savagely dismantled. Austria became a small rump responsible for the reparations of the defunct Austria-Hungary Empire. The same question might apply to Austria-Hungary Empire as to Ottoman Empire.

What benefits might have come from a more tolerant policy? I imagine a more stable state though less cohesive.

I'm not at all convinced that a better job could have been done. Quite possibly ethnic tensions might have been pushed into the future. I have little sense of judgement on this.

[ProbablyClueless]

I mean... yeah... it probably would have been better for long term world peace, but that's not what the West was concerned with after World War 1.

[strateguy632]

Obviously not. Don't you know ottoman was enemy of brits.

[Dargil]

I can't see advancing the "cause of Allah" at all. They're gaining on Europe now and Türkiye under Erdogan has an empire vision.

[abc3643]

No. The end of the Ottoman Empire was important for the rest of the Western world.

[DrPepper12]

No. It was already dismembered, weak, had no influence and an anachronism in a polity of nation-states.

[andreasderjuengere]

Empires will come - and they will go.

No ''help'' will change this :)

[bobby_bush_eater]

The Ottomans sucked pretty badly by WW1.

England did not handle it well, neither did France. Not sure what the best choices were though

[Twalli]

Considering that The Ottoman Empire was fighting against The Powers, they had no chance to remain after the war.

[jahaims]

The west wanted the oil. It's better for it to all be a mess so they can take advantage

[RedInnocent69]

No. They ruined the Middle East. It was time to le5 someon3celse have a go 😂

[BCA6010]

Absolutely not.

[Dongie]

That would have been counter productive.

[Anonymous]

Why? Fuck those guys!

[noohair]

No...