Still think Trump isn't crazy?

[Anonymous]

Read this:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/07/us/trump-news

Updates

11 mo

This asshole is going to start a war:

"In an hourlong news conference at Mar-a-Lago, President-elect Donald J. Trump refused to rule out using military force to retake the Panama Canal, which was returned by treaty decades ago, and acquire Greenland, which Mr. Trump said was necessary for U. S. national security. "

[MisterWack]

I’m a former Trump supporter so, I knew for a while that he is crazy… Delusional.. and a con artist, also a no good dirty politician scum of the Earth.

Though now that he came crawling back to The White House I don’t see any reason being a rational, logical, and an empathetic thinker & feeler in this world since it clearly doesn’t matter. I pray for the millions affected by this decision from workers wanting to be heard & supported, school children afraid of getting shot, those that wonder if our legal system works anymore, and the rise in bigotry, hatred, physical violence, brutality, and more just for being a different color & a different person (gender, religion, etc.)

Also I want to end with this, Trump ended his administration term with as much debt as Biden was set to meet in 2 terms (if he were in The White House) so, Trump will cost Americans 4 terms of Biden for 1 term of Trump. Drug cost cuts, Afghan Pullout, Infrastructure, Veteran Benefits, American Made Manufacturing, Bring Jobs Back, and more were delivered by The Democrats while Trump promised with nothing left in his name. Nothing left in his name, but impeachments & division & chaos at the Capitol Building. Vote smarter next time because the next 4 years will make you wish you didn’t fuck up.

[ProbablyClueless]

I can't wait until you get a few more life experiences under your belt. You could have a bright debate future ahead of you.

[MisterWack]

@ProbablyClueless That is because I supported him and rooted him on… I felt robbed and betrayed especially when a “dementia patient who hid in a basement” did a better job than the one with “a brain” & “stable genius”, what does that make someone like Trump look? Like a damn fool.
The fact of the matter is, I don’t care about debates because debates don’t get anything done… It is who is better with words not who is right, a conversation where both are trying to reach the same goal really helps more than hurts. I would want to be a conversation starter, not a debate butcher in my world view.

[ProbablyClueless]

My point with the "life experience" part is that you have a decent foundation, but you've reached a distinctly inaccurate conclusion. I know you're someone who pays attention, so in your case, it's just a question of getting more experience and more data. Biden, very objectively, did NOT do a better job than Trump.

I don't know the reason you feel robbed and betrayed by Trump. Why do you feel that way?

[MisterWack]

@ProbablyClueless part one: I refused to look at any criticism of Trump, I even refused to watch full interviews / rallies uncut and would always bury my head at the notion he was looking after me & every American…. When I took debate class I was center right without really knowing what a Republican or a Democrat was to be completely transparent with you. I was forced to roleplay as a Republican and when I saw the kinds of things they support, the fact the teachers took away my voice to have an opinion was hurtful… I did research from Left & Right as my English teacher taught me. Once I heard both sides I’d have an opinion that was both sided critical and supportive of the other (s) though my politician side was forced to be more extreme than the conclusion I reached. I’m over simplifying or else we’d be here all day… Covid19 locked in my house, I looked for Trump for guidance since he was the one I believed to have the best interests at heart and I believed the first impeachment was unwarranted / won’t change anything…. I watched his interviews “People are dying, that’s true. It is what it is”. Made me pissed so, I would watch more of his interviews uncut and rallies uncut and found out the cold truth.

[MisterWack]

Part two: I would look into the most promising candidate Joe Biden’s promises & track record since he seemed to be the most promising to lead the opposition Democratic Party against the Republican Candidate Trump and he sold exactly what Trump couldn’t do. Bring back jobs, Healthcare, Veteran Benefits, Afghan Pullout, American Made Manufacturing (specifically microchips) he even followed procedures that help during the Pandemic social distancing, smaller rallies, and pushed Trump for not doing the same. Even at the debates I was impressed.
Biden actually kept the promises Trump couldn’t (Infrastructure is a big one) though also kept his own like 100 million vaccines within 100 days and online site to get free covid tests & masks sent in the mail for your family…. The debt added was projected to be one 4 yr term of Trump at the end of his 8 yr term. I did believe Biden would only last one term so, I’m pissed Democratic Party didn’t tell him that from the beginning because Kamala Harris would’ve done better or perhaps someone else if there was a Democratic Convention of sorts. Trump wasn’t a good man from everything, I watched his rallies & interviews without cuts and read the transcripts and hated him more and more. I will pray he changes his tune though he has failed to prove that.

[Asker]

Very interesting. Perhaps you should consider a book about your political journey from Trump to Biden - seriously. Cognitive dissonance is very painful, and you apparently experienced a lot of it yet pushed through it - your ability to do this might give hope for recovery to other MAGA - again very seriously.

[NatalieKeller95]

there won't be a next time, we can't afford America getting screwed up by the democrats again, so 2024 was the last election, for security

[goaded]

@NatalieKeller95 That really would be worth a civil war. Fascist.

[NatalieKeller95]

@goaded good we'll defeat the democrats a second time, just like in 1865,

[lightbulb27]

he might, could go nuclear... who knows right? not with greenland and panama of course.

It's all about fixing the finances, which is a mess. A lot of what he says is positioning for negotiations. If doesn't get what he wants, he will start demeaning the other leaders. He will push using words.

Don't want too many of him in power at one time.

[Asker]

Actually the man is mentally ill and we don't want anyone like him in power including him especially.

[NatalieKeller95]

he is not mentally ill and he is going to usher in a Pax Americana

[Asker]

You are not qualified to decide if somebody is mentally ill or not. I am.

[NatalieKeller95]

why because you're a democrat?

[Asker]

@NatalieKeller95 No. Because this is what I do for a living.

[Anonymous]

He only got 49.8%. More than half us still know he's an idiot because we're not in a cult.

[goaded]

I think he's saying anything to distract from his sentencing hearing on Friday. Guilty of 34 felonies.

[Asker]

Agreed. He seems in a bit of a panic.

[goaded]

"The Boy Who Cried Wolf was steadily making the discourse so befogged with mendacity that in the grim final moment the villagers wouldn't even believe their own eyes and ears."
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/habit

[CalmUntilAbused]

Only thing is... There will be no war. Panama cannot realistically oppose the USA militarily, so they will just bend to His will. And He's also correct that Greenland would be useful for US national security, and might actually be willing to join the USA.

If there is anything that's worrying about this soon-to-be President Donald Trump's policy, it's how short-sighted it is. It's all fun and games as long as the Republicans are in power in the USA. However, if the Demorats ever come back to power, the USA holding both the Panama Canal and Greenland will allow them to basically suffocate both China and Russia, and then spread the Demorat-flavoured communism across the world unopposed.

[goaded]

You are seriously disturbed. Or a troll.

[NatalieKeller95]

democrats can't come back to power if the midterms are banned

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded Disturbed? You mean the band? I mean, I've been watching the Western societies, specifically the US society, for quite some time, and especially under Demorat rule, I fully relate to those fine words:

"As I survey the chaos, taking in the lack of raw humanity,
it's as if the entire world's fallen in love with their insanity!
Hear the innocent voices scream as their tormentors laugh through all of it...
No forgiveness for all I've seen, a degradation I cannot forget!"

as well as:

"As the violence surges and the teeming masses have been terrorized,
their human predators, all gone mad, are reaping profits born from their demise!
The rabid media plays their role, stoking the flames of war, to no surprise...
Only too eager to sell their souls, for the apocalypse must be televised!"

However, I am certainly no had of God and no Dark Messiah... And while I sure tend to feel somewhat vengeful, one quick look at GaG reveals that I'm far from The Vengeful One. There are so many men who actually live in the USA and surpass me by such a wide margin I'm almost sorry for the monsters they have come to hate so much. Then, in late 2024, soon-to-be President Donald Trump has been elected, and all I might want to tell the Demorats and the worldwide left-wing can be summed up as:

"So sleep soundly in your beds tonight...
For judgement falls upon you at first light!"

I also find it quite ironic that the Demorats were driven away by the MAGA movement that pretty much embodies the words:

"This is the world we live in
and these are the hands we're given...
Use them and let's start trying
to make it a place worth living!"
even though the music video by Disturbed kind of hinted at a communist alignment of those hopes, rather than foretelling the conservative uprising we could witness recently. Oh, and I do know that "Land of Confusion" by Disturbed is but a cover. It's just the first version of the song I came across.

[CalmUntilAbused]

"hand of God"*

[CalmUntilAbused]

@NatalieKeller95 I don't think it will happen. Also, the Demorats might still be back as soon as soon-to-be President Donald Trump finishes His term, or maybe as soon as He gets assassinated. I mean, even GaG is teeming with curiosity regarding POTUS assassinations far more that it used to. Something might be brewing. Though I guess at this point, the MAGA supporters would quite literally tear the left-wing apart if anything happened to soon-to-be President Donald Trump. I can only hope they will hold the line as He finishes His turn, so as not to allow the Demorats back in the White House.

[goaded]

Troll, then. Trump got less than half the vote, which is less than a third of eligible voters.

[Asker]

@goaded These are MAGA people here proving that even if Trump isn't crazy - they are.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded He was elected, that's what matters. Those who do not vote effectively vote for the winner. Realistically, they either don't care or feel like no one really represents them, but if they can't have their pick, they silently approve of the winner. Simple as that.

Also, I don't really understand Your trolling accusation against me. Am I supposed to list my problems with the left wing to You explicitly? I'd rather keep civil, so it might not be the best idea. It would literally become "explicit content". Using song lyrics sounds like a good enough way to reveal my sentiment. Well, to give You a taste of what I mean... All I want in my life right now is to set up a happy, loving Family. I don't think worldly desires get any more pure and wholesome than this. However, due to the hate- and fearmongering left-wing propaganda, women in the West, including Poland, unfortunately, tend to consider men their sworn enemies. Quite a lot of those women would seek to actively harm any man they encounter, Amber Heard-class life destroyer-style, or otherwise humiliate him as much as possible. Most would simply step away, cowering in fear, upon any attempt I might make to make any contact with them. What I need to fulfill my perfectly pure and wholesome dream is to find a conservative woman, and they are few and far between these days. Ironically, chances are I would be more in luck in the USA proper, since 52% of voting white women in the USA voted for soon-to-be President Donald Trump. There are many more bones I have to pick with the global left wing, heavily inspired and supported by the US-based Demorats, but I'll leave it at that.

[goaded]

More people didn't vote for Trump than did. More people who voted didn't vote for Trump than did.

"Demorat-flavoured communism" - Troll.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded Well... I don't really know the negligible scores of non-serious candidates. It might so happen that if You sum them up with Harris, soon-to-be President Donald Trump is just-so-slightly behind. However, since He's got the majority anyway, and those who did not vote effectively voted for Him, as the winner... He's got the US citizens' mandate. Though I don't really know how this relates to the topic at hand.

As for the "Demorat-flavoured communism" - well, I might explain it detail, but that's exactly what it is. The Demorats are totalitarian, they use a divide-and-conquer strategy against the society, propping up targets (not unlike Enemies of the People) for their voters to fear and hate, they enforce censorship of all who do not agree with their views, and their economic policies are so radically socialist that they basically make citizens into helpless puppets of the government. They do tolerate big corporations, since they have some mutual interests - namely the citizens becoming sheepish and helpless, on the mercy of the government and those corporations, which might at some point become de facto departments of the government, but they still mercilessly bully independent entrepreneurs. The only thing keeping them at bay is the Second Amendment, against which they have launched countless maniacal attacks, but the South will not apparently budge on this matter. Nothing trollish in my using such a designation. Nothing at all. Just because they are not waving red banners does not mean they are not communists.

[goaded]

"It might so happen" You might as well be Trump, he's pretending "nobody even knows how many people" more voted for him than Harris. People counted the votes, that's how they know who won. Troll.

"I might explain it detail" No, you won't, because it's completely untrue. Troll.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded Oh, but I do know that and how votes are counted. All I'm saying is I don't know the total for the non-serious candidates - since soon-to-be President Donald Trump won against Harris (and everyone else), not much else matters. You are desperately trying to warp my words so that they somehow compromise me - that's a known Soviet tactic, You know...

As for the communism part, I've actually went out of my way to explain it to You. If You are still either unable or unwilling to comprehend the explanation, then with all due respect, it's no longer my problem.

[goaded]

I'm not "warping" your words, I'm pointing out the lies.

There's something wrong with people like you and Trump. You're not satisifed with a win, you've got to claim it's something it's not.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded You have not pointed out a single lie. All You've done is claim I lied, with no proof provided. Even regarding the vote counts, where You could prove me wrong, You did not provide a proof of my honest mistake Yourself, giving me a chance to preemptively correct myself.

As for the communism part, there was no real discussion at all, just a bit of denial from You.

[goaded]

"You have not pointed out a single lie." Sure I have, and that's another one.

There doesn't need to be discussion about whether any US political party is "communist", you know it's bullshit. As to being "totalitarian", didn't you notice how much the Capitol wasn't attacked this year?

It's all projection all the time.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded No, You have not pointed out a single lie. You attempted to mock my belief that soon-to-be President Donald Trump's score was over 50% of all votes, drawing my attention to the non-serious candidates who might have amassed enough votes that if summed up with Harris', they would outbalance soon-to-be President Donald Trump, allowing me to correct myself before any "lie" (which, in my case, was an honest mistake of omission) could be pointed out. What You have done was not "pointing out lies", it was "mocking your opponent". It's actually a Demorat classic (since You fired the first shot, I am allowed to respond in kind). And, well... If mocking their (often only perceived) opponents is the Demorat way of "pointing out lies", they have no one to blame for their loss but themselves. People tend to be allergic to arrogance.

[CalmUntilAbused]

As for the communism part, You have given me a "proof by a common knowledge", whereas I have pointed out at least general actions of the Demorats that prove that their ways are definitely communist. Out of all those actions I have pointed out, You have only attempted to rebuff the totalitarianism charge. However, I did mention that the Second Amendment is what keeps the Demorats at bay, and I believe that's exactly what caused them to give up on a full-scale riot. They know full well that most gun owners are conservative, and thus any Demorat attempt to forcefully overturn the US citizens' decision would likely be met with lethal force. They might have learned it from the BLM riots, when several conservative would-be victims managed to defend themselves against the mobs using guns. However, the very attacks the Demorats launched at the Second Amendment is a dead giveaway of their totalitarian alignment, since the Amendment in question is supposed to defend the US citizens against totalitarianism. Now, since blue states in the USA are most definitely totalitarian (with the Second Amendment marginalized through state-specific legislation), I reckon the only thing keeping the Demorats from taking over totalitarian rule of the whole US is the red states' fierce opposition.

[NatalieKeller95]

this is why the democrats needs be outlawed, they do nothing but act like the villains all the time

[NatalieKeller95]

I swear it's like democrats are on a different planet or something

[NatalieKeller95]

this is why there needs to be Military intervention in these despotic blue states

[CalmUntilAbused]

@NatalieKeller95 You know what's (not really) funny? The opposite actually happens (in a way). Regular citizens of California and New York (the two most significnat blue states) are no longer able to pay the rent in their respective states. Therefore, they are fleeing South (if they can afford tickets or gas to do it). They end up mainly in Florida and Texas, the most well-known red states (though I think Florida used to be a swing state some time ago). Now, the refugees from California and New York live on low rent and sometimes almost non-existent taxes. So... Who do they vote for in elections? Of course... They vote blue. They have fled blue states, found safe haven in red states, and then, while in those red states, they vote blue. I mean... Texas is big to begin with, it could probably soak in a quarter of the population of California and still stay red. As for Florida and some other small red states, however... They might as well turn blue by accepting refugees from blue states. It might just be that among all the immigrants the MAGA movement is wary of, the most dangerous ones are the internal immigrants from the most hellish blue states!

[Asker]

@asker they have been doing a good job of proving they are crazy for several years now

[Asker]

@NatalieKeller95 You do realize that suggesting this is actually illegal, right?

[NatalieKeller95]

maybe they can be conditioned to accept the political norms of the red states, as terms of settlement

[NatalieKeller95]

illegal to the democrats? right, because they're the only ones that make the laws all of a sudden? legality is up to us the MAGA Patriots to decide

[Asker]

@NatalieKeller95 Please just return to your red state shithole.

[goaded]

Here's another of your lies that I'll point out: "I have pointed out at least general actions of the Demorats that prove that their ways are definitely communist."

Show me your definition of "communist". If it's true of Democrats, it's not a definition you got from a dictionary or encyclopedia.

[NatalieKeller95]

blue states are the shithole

[Asker]

@NatalieKeller95 Even MAGA should block your stupidity.

[NatalieKeller95]

I am MAGA

[NatalieKeller95]

why would MAGA be against someone that agrees with them?

[Asker]

@NatalieKeller95 No. You are dogshit, and not from a nice dog.

[NatalieKeller95]

well are you for Trump or against him?

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded So... I did prove that the Demorats are totalitarian (or is it that You are still unwilling to admit it?), I did point out that their policies are radically socialist... What more can I add... How about using lawfare against their opponents? It this communist enough to You? One communist thing they cannot really do given the Second Amendment is to outright rob everyone of their possesions and give them away to those unwilling to work to be able to afford them. But I reckon if they could, they would do it. It's just that at the moment, the Southerners would tear them apart if they attempted to do it. However, they are doing their best to do rob people through taxes. Blue states like California or New York are extremely expensive to live in, due to all those taxes. That's why those who can afford it run away to the South. Is there any other part of the definition of communism that I had not covered yet? How about mutually antagonizing men and women in order to force them into obedience, just like the original communists antagonized the poor against the rich? Is this communist enough for You? Or are You simply too stubborn to admit that the Demorats are communist since they are so cool, with all those celebrities they keep around for PR reasons?

[CalmUntilAbused]

@NatalieKeller95 Well... I suppose a lot of legislation would be needed to achieve that. I am afraid the Demorats would attempt to weaponize the SCOTUS against anyone who would try it, trying to argue that not allowing destructive socialist/communist ideologies in Your state is discrimination...

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Asker Those red state "shitholes" somehow achieve the lowest cost of living among all the states. I take it You believe this to be a coincidence? At any rate, I'd rather live in a red state "shithole" than in a "progressive" blue state where I am basically a criminal just because I am a man, and even if I somehow stay under the radar, I can hardly afford self-sustenance.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@Asker Oh... It turns out it is acceptable to insult a woman for no reason, as long as she is not left-wing-aligned? Well, that might be why some 52% of white women in the USA who did vote voted for soon-to-be President Donald Trump. That's more good news. The Demorats are becoming a highly-exclusive cult, potentially scaring away even moderately left-wing women. Long live the Republican USA, I guess!

At any rate, all @nataliekeller95 had said so far in this thread are simple facts. Even if some of Her proposals would be indeed hard to accomplish, they are definitely going down the right path. Oh, and as a MAGA sympathizer (since I am not a US citizen, I cannot really be a MAGA member), I can assure You the general MAGA movement would agree with most of @nataliekeller95's proposals, with those harder-to-accomplish ones getting serious brownie points from the more radical wing of MAGA instead.

[goaded]

So you'll keep lying: "So... I did prove that the Demorats are totalitarian... What more can I add... "

Show me your definition of "communist". If it's true of Democrats, it's not a definition you got from a dictionary or encyclopedia.

[goaded]

FFS, you claim you "Demorats [sic] are totalitarian", then support eliminating elections.

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded Well... If You are this stubborn about not accepting the truth about the Demorats... Oh, screw it... Just for You, since I sure have to admire Your will to go on... If You are this stubborn about not accepting the truth about the Democrats, we will probably have to agree to disagree. Their policies and ways of working are 100% communist. They are totalitarian, extremely socialist and manipulative. If You insist on definitions instead of facts that can be directly translated to known cases of communist regimes, maybe You should give me Your definition and I will find the facts that prove the Democrats fulfill that definition (or, as I have admittedly done a few times, I will explain why they were unable to accomplish some action that would fulfill a given aspect of communism - though it will mostly boil down to the Second Amendment and the conservative attitude of the red states - and the fact that they are trying to take down the Second Amendment is proof enough of their totalitarian alignment, in case You still want to claim I did not prove they are totalitarian).

[CalmUntilAbused]

@goaded Oh, and I am definitely against elections. I am a monarchist, You see. Or maybe I should say I am a supporter of authoritarianism, since in most countries, classic monarchies are pretty much out of the question at this point. The difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism is that the latter does not aim to control every single citizen individually, but only to provide security for the country.

Therefore, authoritarian countries can be and often are economically libertarian, while also retaining the vast majority of personal freedom of their citizens regarding social and family life, since the only crimes in an authoritarian country are direct actions against the nation of the country (think murder, rape, extortion, robbery... or simply anything that falls under the last Seven of the Ten Commandments, really) and treason, which obviously endangers the very existence of the country.

Totalitarian countries aim to control every single citizen individually in every single possible aspect, including economic decisions and matters as intimate as family life. They actively tear down their own societies in order to fulfill that goal.

[goaded]

"I am definitely against elections. I am a monarchist," No, you're a troll.

[Asker]

@goaded Definitely a troll, and a very crazed one at that. I particularly enjoyed the amateur "political science"...

[slatyb]

He's not crazy, merely an ignorant narcissist who knows how to appeal to some.

[Asker]

He has a personality disorder (ASPD) and also has Bipolar 1 disorder which is what is causing the grandiosity - not NPD.

[RichA322]

He is a crazy, convicted felon who tried to stage a coupe... what do your expect.

[malarkey]

You're such a dumb communist that you read the New York Times, rather than reading the treaty which states that is exactly what the United States is suppose to do.

[malarkey]

*meet

[malarkey]

*treaty

[exitseven]

Not being a wimp is not the same as being crazy. We tried it the Obama/Biden way and look what we got?

[IamRight]

Asker is a typical answer deleting leftist.

[ProbablyClueless]

That's not crazy; it's rational (and I would argue) correct. He's observing that the international market support system isn't serving US interests anymore, so he wants to change it.

[HungTexan]

He may be crazy like a fox. People are reacting and he hasn’t actually done anything.

[BarryLiverstone]

Right, he was consistent in not talking about military operations for all the questions he was asked

[Anonymous]

Oh they know he's crazy.

[Asker]

Let's also not forget that many of his followers are crazy too. Even some right here on GaG are crazy...

[Opinion Owner]

Some sane people too. Jumped in the riptide to see how far it will take them.

[purplepoppy]

I suspect his real motive is to test who on his team is behind him.

[goaded]

... so he ends up with a team that's willing to invade other countries. :(

[Asker]

@goaded apparently so.

[goaded]

"Made men". Willing to commit crimes for Trump. Even international ones.

[Asker]

@goaded sure - why not? In the end, it is always about $$$$.

[Anonymous]

hey OddBeMe, still think you're not obsessed with Trump?