I think Trump may actually be right anyone else?

[karaspara]

[NathanDavis]

his lies are currently up or very close to 40,000 since 2015 or so...

so which one of those 40k you're thinking he might be right about? lol

[karaspara]

Granted Nathan but show me a politician ( in any country ) who doesn't tell lies? I'll wait

[NathanDavis]

forget about politicians... I would not even find a person on any area that won't be telling lies... lol

but you have to agree that here's about the magnitude and the proportions of it... 40,000 shameless lies is definitely a record, and very different from other politicians who YES, they do lie and manipulate a lot, but... they're do it differently (which doesn't make it right in any way)

but my question is actually genuine... lol

in which topic have you changed your mind about what Trump has to say... the Middle East situation perhaps?

[karaspara]

There isn't one topic it's a general view I don't like Trump but he's better than Biden

[NathanDavis]

Well yeah, I agree with that...

Like I said to a friend of mine from the "real life" back in 2018... Biden WILL BE the next president of the USA and it won't go well because he was chosen for the wrong reasons and then he was also voted into the presidency, also for the wrong reasons... which is, to get Trump out.

But my judgment was not based on my dislike for Biden, is just that in the overall picture and the grand scheme of things and how things actually are... the USA is one big mess, and we're just all approaching things very wrongly over here. And we only do that because we can afford it... regardless of how people feel about things, we do it because we can afford it. We are the USA and we still run this show for the most part but now the problem is that we bring the shit-show way closer to our homes and our daily life, something we didn't do in the past that much.

[karaspara]

Agreed

[dray995]

@NathanDavis
Why are you lying? What do you have to gain by lying?

[NathanDavis]

@dray995 You would have to be way more specific... what exactly did I lie about to you... or that you know of

[dray995]

@NathanDavis you are making stuff up. There’s no way he could’ve lied that many times. Are you an idiot? Because that’s what an idiot sounds like.

[karaspara]

@dray995 Got each one clocked up lol

[NathanDavis]

@dray995 Oh okay...

well, first I would like you to make something clear and there will be two choices here

1.- Do you actually want to have an adult conversation based on reason, intellect and objective perspective and then see how your take actually measures and holds against mine... or

2.-Do you just want to be partisan idiot that will just throw the usual shit all over around just for the sake of cheap ass controversy like many others do around here.

because one thing is for sure, the second does not longer interest me, I know you might actually get a thrill about coming at me with your kind of shit... but to be hones it does nothing for me anymore...

now if you actually have some interesting to say and discuss, I am all ears

so this is up to you, what are you all about for real?

[dray995]

@NathanDavis sorry, I don’t argue or debate with idiots so there’s no point in talking to you any further.

[NathanDavis]

@dray995 good choice and not surprised.. you won't even try me

farewell then... and back you go to where you came from

[karaspara]

@NathanDavis however please explain to me i'm genuinely interested go DM if you don't want to be interefered with

[NathanDavis]

@karaspara it's nice when the trash takes itself out... sorry for extra non-sense notifications, lol

[Danish87]

@NathanDavis you are hypocrate

When karaspara asked which other politician lie, you just take U-turn on that completely ignored it.

When @dray995 told you liar, you want him to be specific what he lied.
You didn't came with specific 40,000 lies Donald Trump said.

Typical Liberal person.

[Danish87]

@karaspara I am not American, but can analysis what Trump was doing was best for American people.
He was putting you all first.
Neither he had wage any war.

[Danish87]

Correction to my comment @NathanDavis specific what you lied.

[NathanDavis]

@Danish87 what?

please explain to me... how am I a hippocrane exactly?

[NathanDavis]

@Danish87 I understand that I might SEEM to be a hepacreep to you but... what did I lie about, again...

could someone with an actual decent functional brain disagree with me, ever? please?

[Danish87]

@NathanDavis that's actually people are asking what 40,000 lies Donald Trump said asking again.

Can you with actual decent functional brain can disagree with them?
Please we are waiting for 40,000 list of lies.

You want specific, first be specific to list. It's like Practice what you preach.

[NathanDavis]

@Danish87 So you actually want me to make a list here...

of all the 40,000 lies... each and all of them?

and just to prove to you that I am not a happycramps

[Danish87]

@NathanDavis No, I want you to practice what you preach to other.
So when you want other to be specific, you too need to.

Just saying Trump was liar, and when asked for other politician you completely ignored and change the topic.
Now that's what we call hypocrite.

[NathanDavis]

@Danish87 ok... since your profile location says India... I will risk and assume that this is a matter of language

" forget about politicians... I would not even find a person on any area that won't be telling lies... lol "

in this sentence, I actually answered to what Kara inquired...

she asked me to mention a politician that never lies

now, in my answer I just simple accept that I could not do that, because simply put... ALL politicians are liars, all of them... so I am not being a hypocrite, I am actually being honest, I cannot think of a politician that is absolutely and completely honest, because they do not exist, even if no straight lies on records, they're still going to mislead, to misrepresent, to lie by omission and a then a long long etcétera...

and then I further went to imply that is not just politicians, we all lie to some degree because that's part of our human nature

So, it this clarification does not suffice to you, just let me know

[Danish87]

@NathanDavis yeah you said not even single person won't lie.

But the focus on Trump was different. How you can be sure that only he has record of 40,000 lies and not others?
When you putting such allegations, prove it with substance.
Just saying other lies too, but than Trump has more, this need solid ground to hold on what you said.

So in a way you are biased on hating Trump.

Don't go on language, see actual data Indians are way ahead in reading, understanding the language though English not being their first language.

[Danish87]

@NathanDavis and you know Joe Biden has just put America in a laughable position.
People are just laughing on his blunders. He has made joke of America and himself

[NathanDavis]

@Danish87 yeah, this is definitely about the language barrier... because your grammar can throw me off big time, they way you structure your sentences make me unsure of what actually you're trying to tell me

- "not even single person won't lie" I definitely did not say this, I know my English is not the best because I never studied English, but I sure didn't state something like that.

- "The focus on Trump was different" this is wrong as well, I did not focus on Trump at all.. my opinion and the question on it, was focused on Kara, the original poster and her "change of mind" and our further discussion went on about that, her change of mind... it was never about Trump in particular... she has a perception based on the current situation as it is... and we just kind of agreed on the perception of the current times, and that was it.

- "you are biased on hating Trump" I am not biased towards any politician, I don't even, ever vote on any elections, that should show how much I am not biased in politics, and definitely don't hate Trump... fortunately, no person in this world is worth my hate... hate is such a very strong feeling that I do not harbor within me, luckily... so maybe, it is you, the one that feels a little bit protective of Trump or a little bit salty against Biden.

-- "Indians are way ahead in reading, understanding the language' you're making it sound as a competition... ahead of who, or what exactly... and sure, I know very well some Indians are very well spoken and "perfectly bilingual" however, you're not one of them... a simple double negative I used within a certain context has you all riled up like this, because you just don't get it as it was intended.

- "Biden put America in laughable position" yeah... this sentence alone proves that you're just not mature enough to have an adult conversation, so... that's that.

[Dragonpurple]

@NathanDavis Did the number of lies make his policies that were implemented bad? I find if I don't watch presidents speak or twit or whatever... just strictly look at policies, attempted, planned or blocked I found he was the best president ever in my life time.

If I judged him off talking or tweeting he'd be the worst ever... but at the same time, I have not watched a president talk since Clinton. Talk is just talk, none of that matters, lies don't matter... if they did I'd still be waiting for my $2500 Obama promised everyone would get from the ACA passing.

I do find it rather hilarious though that some people think 40k lies is bad, but 5k lies is okay... it doesn't matter.

[NathanDavis]

@Dragonpurple First of all... I never said lies were okay, in fact I said exactly the opposite, since your reading skills do not seem to be on point I will just quote the part where I clearly said it

" (which doesn't make it right in any way) " see? it... hilarious, is it not?

now that we got that out of the way...

I am not here to judge on Bill Clinton, I am not here to judge on Bush, I am not here to judge on Obama, I am not here to judge on Trump and I am not here to judge on Biden...

my original comment was not to judge on presidential polices... my inquiry was directly to the original poster Kara... about how did she personally changed her mind, and then she clarified her point to me... which I understood, and then we ended up agreeing... and that was all, no further drama

And then there has been three of you... three Trump supporters coming after because of the many lies he has on record, you're not the only just another one... that seems to be upset about it and yet you do agree with me, you know he lied a record amount... so that is that... you agree with me he lies a lot, . and now I will agree with you and some of what you said, it really doesn't matter, I agree with that

Now, if you want to discuss with me something quite different as to who is better than who when it comes to presidents.. then make your own post with your own points and then invite me there, and then I might do it there.

This is Kara's post, and this was our thread which ended in agreement with no drama... till of you Trump lovers came here to get some from me... two already ran away just as they came from, so... again, make your post, invite me there, and then we MIGHT see how it goes, up to you.

[Dragonpurple]

@NathanDavis I didn't read your big whatever that was, soon as you made a personal attack, that ended it. I rarely block anyone in a civil discussion but personal attacks are it, have a nice life. We will not be chatting again.

[NathanDavis]

@Dragonpurple and the second pack of trash takes itself out... isn't that efficient...

[loveslongnails]

You don't understand about "Trump lies" because you were not living here, and according to his own words, he's NOT a politician. It would be far easier to track when he told the truth, the whole truth, on any topic. That happened, umm, let's see. Never. Ever.

[NYCQuestions1976]

Right about what specifically? One thing's for sure. The 2022 midterm elections might resemble the 1994 midterm elections.

[karaspara]

Well he seemed to do a far better job than Biden granted it's early days but hard to see how he could fuck up worse

[NYCQuestions1976]

I agree, but President Trump was his own worst enemy, because he made it easy with his antagonistic attitude for half of the general public and the majority of the media to be distracted from his accomplishments, like the peace treaty between Serbia, Kosovo, and Bosnia (something Presidents Bush and Obama weren't able to accomplish in their 16 years combined), the peace treaty between Israel and a number of Muslim countries, and the overall excellent economy prior to the pandemic. President Biden is definitely having a disastrous time right now.

[karaspara]

Agreed Trumps attitude stunk so everyone looked past his achievements and just wanted to see him fall

[Twalli]

You do need to take into account Biden inherited an economy ravaged by COVID-19.

[karaspara]

@Twalli I do i've said on multiple posts in his defence he took over at an extremely difficult time also at 7 months in too early to judge but so far everything he has touched has literally turned to shit

[Twalli]

Most people that wanted to get vaccinated have. That doesn't seem like it went to. shit. Those who thought they couldn't die from COVID-19 or get it didn't know

[Twalli]

what it promised.

[karaspara]

@Twalli OK Jury is out on that one now defend the withdrawal and leaving Americans behind? He thought bringing troops home was a vote winner to boost him in the polls his single sightedness has blown up massively in his face

[Twalli]

If we believe Trump, it was his plan that Biden tried to stop and was unable to.

[karaspara]

@Twalli Not true and easily disproven if you don't want a serious discussion don't waste my time

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Twalli Right now there are more people who are unvaccinated in the inner cities across the country than in the rural areas of the country. A larger portion of the population living much closer to one another. The national media isn't covering that portion of the unvaccinated story.

[Twalli]

First oaf all, I am not saying Trump organized a plan for withdrawal, be said that. So he can be lying, but before it was a failure he claimed credit for it.
The amount of unvaccinated is a problem, but vaccines aren't being withheld from people that want them.

[NYCQuestions1976]

@Twalli Yes the vaccinations are available for everyone, but the national media is only reporting on the rural population that's choosing to remain unvaccinated.

[BeachLuvR97]

His attitude forced his emotionally-trainwrecked liberal adversaries to show their true colors, didn't it? That way, he knew which side that people took.

[Andres77]

I don't like arrogance. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. But he knew how to make things happen... with good results.
If the left wasn't so deranged with him and left him alone the whole world would be better right now.
If he didn't have to spend half of his presidency dealing with fabricated charges our country would be much better and when we're better the world is better.
I don't give a fuck if anyone agrees with that Statement. If you don't it's because you don't understand history and human nature. STFU.
Yes, he's arrogant but China and ISIS and Iran had to think twice about how to act.
Not now.
No one in Afghanistan deserves what is happening now.
If you could save all the people in Afghanistan right now by replacing Joe with Donald, would you? This would not have happened under Trump.
If you would still rather have Joe right now...
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Yazidi+massacres+syria+ISIS&search=&form=QBLH

[Andres77]

That is what happened under Obama. Muslim president ignoring a violent Islamic sect massacring thousands of people in Syria. Now Joe, a mindless puppet allowing violent islamists to terrorize and murder and rape tens of thousands of women and girls in Afghanistan... this would not have happened under Trump.
I dgaf about anyone being offended with his tweets.
I bet the victims of the mass rapes wouldn't care about his tweets either.
And the Brits... who allow the mass grooming of thousands of girls in your suburbs by islamist pedophiles and rapists... if that's the kind of shit you allow to happen to your own girls why would I care WTF you have to say about the mass rapes and murders happening in Afghanistan right now.
@karaspara this isn't directed at you... I just jumped on the question.

[ScottStevens]

Trump was never elected because he is a nice guy. Even his own mother probably would not want to go out to lunch with him!

He was elected because he has deep feelings for the United States of America, regardless of what the political foes want to say about him. His policies were all centered on making this a better country to live in.

He was in favor of legal immigration, he was in favor of controlling Federal spending and keeping taxes at a manageable level. He believed in supplying a safety net for people without turning that into a security blanket for life. He believed in a strong defensive military, but also believed we needed to stay out of conflicts that erupt around the world. He did not want us to be the World police.

When you wake up today you see new multi trillion dollar spending programs being tossed around like fruit cakes, with no clear answer for how to pay for them. Except to say don't worry about it, you will not have to pay for them, we are going to take it from somebody else.

Then you see a total mishandling of the pull out from Afghanistan. Thousands of innocent people are going to be murdered over there including unfortunate citizens from our own country.

The big call to defund the police was not Trump's idea. But now all our major cities have skyrocketing crime waves. I'm just saying things seem to be going downhill faster than I ever thought possible. Maybe had Trump showed less feistiness towards those who disagree with him, him would have been able to finish his mission.

[Dragonpurple]

I did not vote for him in 2016 ( I did in 2020 ) because I never liked the guy before he ran for office. I saw him as a RINO as he used to be a Democrat.

He actually surprised me very much by his policies, I don't pay much attention to what politicians actually say, since that is usually lies. Trump was a big bully and jerk. That did not mean his policies were bad.

Seems like a lot on the left would vote for someone simply because they can talk nice and be friendly. Those are not even on my list for what makes a good politician, I don't care if they cuss every other word or don't talk at all. What matters is policies as that is what directs the country, not nice good feelings and friendliness.

It took me until 2018 when I finally started to support him, as he was doing or trying to do things I had thought should of been done by either party long time ago. While he was trying to make things better for the citizens of the USA, not the illegals, not the rest of the world where liberals try to make the whole world better.

[Celtero]

The media is the propaganda wing of the Democrat party. They rant about how Trump is simultaneously the biggest moron on the planet and also a Russian super-agent who stole the election. Meanwhile, their presidents fuck interns with cigars, give money to tyrants and terrorists, fuck up the middle-east on several occasions, give cartels thousands of guns, hinder the economy while promising the masses free handouts, and all they have to ask little Bidey-Boo is what's his favorite flavor of ice-cream.

Biden is a shining example of why Democracy is bound to fail, because as long as 51% of the population are fucking imbeciles who vote how the TV tells them to, so will be the leadership.

[RJ880]

"fuck interns with cigars" isn't a great leading argument in a political discussion.

[Celtero]

@RJ880 Well that's what Bill Clinton did, literally.

[karaspara]

Oh Monica 😂

[RJ880]

I'm sorry but nothing you say will convince me your opinion is even remotely valid now that you've said that.

[Gingersnapz74]

@RJ880 The media is the propaganda wing of the Democrat party. They rant about how Trump is simultaneously the biggest moron on the planet and also a Russian super-agent who stole the election. Meanwhile, their presidents give money to tyrants and terrorists, fuck up the middle-east on several occasions, give cartels thousands of guns, hinder the economy while promising the masses free handouts, and all they have to ask little Bidey-Boo is what's his favorite flavor of ice-cream.

Still valid.

[Celtero]

@RJ880 Explain to me how stating something Bill Clinton did invalidates my opinion. Not because I think you might have a point, but because I think your rationalization could be amusing. Or are you going to try to disengage like a weasel?

[RJ880]

I'm not denying anything Bill Clinton did, but using that exact phrase just sounds... dumb. I can't explain it any better than that. I'm not here to debate you on your values but I am telling you that I ( and probably a lot of other people) can't take you seriously if you're just going around saying weird shit like that while trying to make a political statement.

Also you're telling me there's no media that leans toward the Republican party? Really?

[karaspara]

@RJ880 I'm sure it goes both ways i'm not American so i'm on the outside looking in very hard to judge

[RJ880]

It 100% does go both ways except SOME PEOPLE who will remain nameless from this conversation, don't like to admit that because they have an under developed brain can't agree to disagree.

[karaspara]

@RJ880 😂👍✌👌

[Celtero]

@RJ880 I mean... it's a fair thing to say when our media throws a hissy fit if Trump so much as made a joke about grabbing women by the pussy 10 years ago. You're just sensitive.

Fox news is the only mainstream TV outlet that's overtly right-wing, except I'd say it's fake. It's owned by the same people who own other outlets and it's really just controlled opposition designed to make money from conservative viewers. All other mainstream outlets are heavily on the left. These are the people who covered the Summer 2020 riots as "mostly peaceful protests" as gunshots and fire raged on in the background. Most other institutions are on the left too, even churches are starting to go that way.

[DarkWinterNights]

Most of the negative things people believed about Trump were manipulated or flat out lies from a partisan media. He’s a blow hard and rude - you don’t have to like him, but we didn’t have these same level of crisis’ we’re facing now.
We’re closer than ever before to war with China, our economy is a ticking time bomb, unemployment levels, shortages, the amount of authoritarian policies being pushed, Afghanistan withdrawal couldn’t have gone worse at this point… Covid handling is a mess. Sole focus on vaccines isn’t a solution.

For the first time I’m actually scared about the future.

[Daniela1982]

I bet none of the Afghans coming to the US are tested for Covid or required to have vaccinations like so many Americans are required to have for employment or just to go to school.

[jennifer_bloom]

I have always opposed trump, not for his policies but for his racism and social animosity, the terrible way he treats people and the way he talks about others, I would oppose him even if his iq was 4 times higher than what it is now, on ethical grounds and not political grounds, in the same way you would not date a good looking guy who disrespects you, I think a president should represent the whole country and not just one racial group in the country.

[Jamie05rhs]

I generally agree with you. But I don't personally think he's racist.

[jgibsonian1986]

Then do you think Joe Biden better represents America? Senile, conniving, two-faced, and condescending towards Americans vs blunt, rude, full of himself, and unattractive.

Id rather be seen as rude, blunt, unattractive, and full of myself than a conniving, senile, two-faced and condescending rat of a person in my opinion.

[karaspara]

@jgibsonian1986 Have to agree Trump isn't likeable but Biden just wow

[jgibsonian1986]

@karaspara It's funny because the world already considered Americans to be rude, blunt, unattractive, and full of themselves. The representation Trump put out wasn't a false one

[karaspara]

@jgibsonian1986 He did kinda blow it up lol

[Jamie05rhs]

@karaspara True! Lol

[Emii_Urashima]

I have always been surprised at how most people on the democrat side call Trump a racist just because their news tells them he is. I am not in America, so I am not influenced by your democrat-controlled media, so it is confusing for me. You do have the internet and you can do your own research and form your own opinions. I see countless pictures of Trump with people of all races , especially black people. You can easily find pictures of Trump hanging out with Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and even one of him kissing the hand of Rosa Parks. This is how a racist acts? His White House staff was comprised of more black people that Obama's administration did. When I ask people in the USA how they came by this opinion of Trump, they usually say it came from the Television news, usually CNN or one of the other countless news networks the democrats control. It is dangerous for one political party to control the media. We have laws against that, here.

[Jamie05rhs]

Thank you, Emii.

[karaspara]

@Emii_Urashima 🙌🙌🙌🙌 well said hun

[Birdlegs]

Trump isn’t racist tho he’s very obnoxious and has said some questionable things before but you got to separate that from the job. You gave that boyfriend example but what about if you were dying and the only doctor around that can save you used to sell drugs? Hell what if that doctor still sells drugs to kids? Are you going to ignore how they can save your life just because of this other thing they do?

[chrissykerdock]

when trump ran the country everything was fine... borders were fine... economy was fine until covid came out and there's reason to believe the elite created that one... trump was a good president... joe on the other hand isn't up to it to put it mildly... people will say they didn't like trump but examine all the leaders there's a lot of flaws... a lot of flaws.

[eagle1951]

Amen

[dray995]

True.

[sage2021]

Of course he is right!! He is right on!! He is the man!!! Trump has broad shoulders which allows him to do everything the right way. He did America justice for four years and he's not finished either!! As far as the "grabbing pussy" that was mentioned, were you there to see it happen? He was talking guy talk. Worse things have been said here on GAG! Way worse!!!

[Jamie05rhs]

I honestly can't tell if you are trolling or not. Which is kind of disturbing.

[sage2021]

@Jamie05rhs what do you mean by trolling. Then I can reply. Sage2021

[Anonymous]

When Trump said he wanted to make America Great Again, the left said it was the most racist statement they've ever heard. LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/embed/voMW-P9bU8I

[MCheetah]

That quote goes back to JFK, and possibly even before it. The problem is, Democrats despise America and don't want to help anyone in it. That's why Empress Pelosi wants to piss away all US tax money on some BS overseas, and even scoff at the idea of giving Americans $600. They're beyond scum.

[karaspara]

@Still-alive Democrats were the ones who backed slavery according to my research?

[Surely]

I think that he was right about a lot of things. It was just the Democrats didn’t want to agree with anything that he wanted to do. They were more concerned about their agenda than helping the people that elected them

[wankiam]

it was trumps order to recall troops... in the eight months after his announcement he provided no plan as to how, just an end date... biden had the same ammount of time and formed no plan either so in my eyes they are as bad as each other but its always been the ''American'' plan to do this anyway knowing it with destabilize the euro bloc again, their nearest economic threat

[Paris13]

Thank GOD a UK Girl with a Brain. Always Has Been, sweetheart!!! xxoo

[karaspara]

Thanks hun xx

[Paris13]

Welcome, sweetheart. xxoo

[MCheetah]

Of course he was. Well, technically. His administration was right about everything, that is. The man himself... Probably? Maybe? I thought you were referring to when Trump said everyone will miss him and be begging for him to return less than six months into Biden's administration (I legit tried to find the video clip, but the search engines are flooded with such horsesh*t and garbage, it's near impossible to find that; but the said it, like in December 2020).

[RealMarek]

Surprised at American leadership these days? We’re an imperial power that is in rapid decline. Lots of smart people in a bureaucracy that is hopelessly complex, compromised, and dysfunctional. Woefully uneducated and increasingly desperate (economically) citizens. You can expect a series of bizarre leaders. Harris is probably next and she’ll be worse than old Uncle Joe.

[Anonymous]

Ya, it was a rigged election, the democ (rats) are bringing in communists using cells. Smart cities communist Artifical Intelegence covid tracking is here to stay. Type covid into cellphone search they intalled on everyones cell. They will crash the economy to bring in new world digital tackable dollars. Soon Chinese merit system system will be released. can't buy or sale without it. ID2020 is your ID can be used after jabs. Several States approved digital ID. It gets worse.. he's write about celphone controversy with. China..

[Halibut]

Right about encouraging the vaccine that his voters boed him over? I think he was right about that. That was the first time I seriously considered that he might not have some serious mental problem or be intentionally trying to destroy the country he runs.

[Nightroads]

He may be right, might not. Time will tell. I do hope he is right, as we can build off his predictions whether right or wrong.
Either him or Biden come to me with a clear and achievable plan to lead our country and civilization towards surviving the many years we have ahead of us I will gladly do everything in my power to help.
As i hope any one would who fears for our children's futures and generations to come.

[Jessica405]

Donald and Joe are both wrong about ending the "never ending war". The fight against terrorism IS never ending. It has just been made a lot harder to fight!

[Anonymous]

Yep in the end everything was better under Trump. Foreign policy, domestic policy, inflation, immigration, crime, freedom. The trend is now worse on almost all fronts. Like him or not he was right on a lot of things. I’m really worried about what things will look like when I’m an adult. The world is pretty crazy right now.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Well over 50% of the US does. Just as many many many people who had their votes disenfranchised by this election did.

Biden should have never been in the running, I can't believe we had Americans that actually voted for a man with a significant cognitive decline nearing the border of dementia.

[Snakeyes7]

There are things I think he’s wrong about like burning the flag should be illegal and that video games cause violence. However I think a lot of his policies make sense.


I don’t see the left tell me otherwise because they don’t talk smack about his specific policies but just call him a fascist or a nazi and add nothing else to it.

[Twalli]

He is, though.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli See? You're doing exactly what I am talking about. Words that associate someone with governments that kill millions of its own people (and yes I am including communists) are being thrown around like hot potatoes so often that no one even knows what you are even talking about anymore.

Pepperidge farm remembers when the term Nazi exclusively refers to people who want the government to censor discourse, squash all opposition to them (killing them if they must) and dividing people into hierarchies based on their heritage; not those who want to speak freely, be free from government control and think that creating such divisons is antithetical to a prosperous society.

[Twalli]

So "great people on both sides" is acceptable?

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli don't know what that has to do with what I am saying but yes there are principled people on both sides who I respect.

[Twalli]

I meant in relation to the wannabe KKK march.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli When did that happen?

[Twalli]

August 11-12, 2017.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli Ah Charlottesville. I don't know a whole lot about it but the only banners I have seen when I looked it up is the swastika. Any right wingers I know reject actual Nazis because they do nothing but make the right look bad as the ideologies have nothing to do with each other. There's nothing pro-liberty about going on a crusade against Jews.

[Twalli]

It's good that all those you know are like that, Trump did not condemn them. So that's a problem. I know the majority of right wingers would condemn them, and I agree, but since our former president did not I call him a racist because the Neonazis also hate black people (at least those in the US do).

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli He did though, here's what he actually said:

Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name... I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

[Twalli]

I don't see anyone who is racist or antisemitic as anything approaching very fine people. The only thing different from them carrying torches like people used to do before setting a dwelling on fire us that they used tiki torches instead.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli He says there are fine people on both sides not that they're all fine. There are racists and antisemites on both sides and there are those on both sides who aren't. How do you know he is referring to the racists and the antisemites when he says "fine people"?

[Twalli]

The makeup of the protestors.

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli Obviously, 74 million people didn't show up at that gathering. Again, the quote says that Nazis and white supremacists should be condemned, why do you think he is still talking about the bad people at the gathering in Charlottesville?

[Snakeyes7]

Also, I seem to recall that nearly every left-wing gatherings (a rough interpretation in many cases) have paraphernalia supporting communism or symbols showing solidarity in groups that possess biological attributes against another group with biological attributes asserting that the latter is oppressing them but preaches for equality at the same time.

Does that make you, anyone you know or every left wing individual belong or support these groups based on he party they associate with? Even I think that's absurd.

And by the way; the Westboro Baptist Church, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton supported Obama and Richard Spencer voted for Biden. Anyone can play the game that presidents are racists because certain individuals who seek to divide us by race have supported them.

[Twalli]

Individuals are different than a large organization. WBC is mostly an extended family. While nowhere near as big as it was in the 1920s, the KKK is still a large nationwide group. As for Proud Boys, I didn't even know they existed

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli Good I'm glad you don't play that game. I think the biggest reason most of these horrible organizations are so small or shrinking is because the populce think they are batshit insane and have shunned them as they are and should be.

Now that people have often associated Trump with the KKK is because I think the leader voted for him or some stupid reason like that, people are starting to fear it more and think that they are everywhere again. I'm sure these same people think that Nazis are marching around every corner they turn.

That's why I don't trust a single accusation of anyone being associated with any sort of authoritarian regime. They do it to try to create hostilty towards that person than it may be warranted.

[Twalli]

A Gran Wizard or some such of the KKK was vocal about supporting him because of Trump's racist rhetoric "... they're sending drugs, rapists..."

[Snakeyes7]

@Twalli I could be wrong but he is saying that violent criminals from Mexico are entering the US to create a lot of chaos here knowing that we were planning on completely getting rid of border security and ignoring people coming in who completely disregard it.

I may be saying this because I don't assume racism into everything he says but I can't say for sure because I don't know what kind of question he was answering here.

I'm surprised people on the left dropped their hatred for the KKK at that moment were actually taking this grand ghost guy or whatever at his word and assume he isn't trying to make a fool out of them, stirring up chaos like they always did.

[Twalli]

He justbsaud that at a rally. I don't think it was in response to anything. It's factually incorrect though.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

I don't know Biden is blaming Trump for this happening now

[karaspara]

he is responsible for this pull out and the way it's been handled he thought it was a vote winner funnily enough the Taliban didn't play ball May as well blame Bush Or Obama

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

@karaspara Yes, I do agree with you

[Jerre]

I agree with you. Trump would not have made the stupid mistakes bumbling idiot Biden has made.

[Sabretooth]

... he wanted to nuke a hurricane... he couldn't even find his own car... which, if he was any closer... he'da been making out with the window.

[Anonymous]

about everything? Yeah seems to be. Insane how deranged Trump haters still cling to bullshit lies about him because they're so desperate to hate him. Biden just got a bunch of Americans killed in Afghanistan because he didn't want to follow Trump's evacuation plan; or even a common sense plan. But lefties still gonna defend him on here.

[Still-alive]

He's right to tell his audience to go get Vaccinated despite them all booing him :P

[karaspara]

He might be a twat 😂 but he did a better job as far as I can see

[Tiptoetamm]

@karaspara I totally agree

[Lillie_xo]

everybody's right about some stufff, like how he said he doesn't need an eighty foot living room but its still cool to have one ! ⁞ ᵕ ‿ ᵕ ⁞

[Anonymous]

he was right about a lot of things but the msm wants to villify him and paint him as a racist

[Twalli]

Because he acted like one.

[Opinion Owner]

@Twalli Don't be a bitter little white boy

[karaspara]

@Twalli He's not racist he's elitist learn the difference

[Twalli]

He was able to get the support and endorsement of all white racist groups in the US.
The wannabe KKK march and the "great people on both sides" response to it
The travel ban

[Opinion Owner]

@Twalli actually the KKK endorsed Joe Biden.

[Twalli]

Proof? Because the last major leader I heard interviewed had nothing but praise for Trump.

[BeachLuvR97]

What would he have been wrong about? He's a stand-up guy who actually cares. Whackadoodles get all upset, "Because he's a big MEANIE." But, at some point someone has to get mad. It's not okay that Dems steal from & oppress us just because they put on a false sense of class and smile at us. If you can't see through their crap, then move to a socialist country, like 1940s Germany or modern-day Venezuela. Be grateful that Trump wants to protect us, from the smiling, well-dressed bullies.

[Anonymous]

He knew what he was doing all throughout his life vastly successful problem is he talks mean according to liberals so they have to discredit him by lying and destroy everything just because he says mean things

[RJ880]

You can't just say something that broad lmao. Like most people he is right and wrong about many things.

[888theGreat]

He was right. He said vaccine in 6 months , he was right. Media said he was wrong.

[FilmGuy93]

As much as I hate the guy... yeah, he would have done everything a lot better than Joe.

[Taskhan]

@karaspara Did you know :

1. Trump's daughter is Pretty

2. Trump can drag a girl by her pussy ( he had told once )
3. Trump has a huge dick... Melania feels lots of Pain in Morning 🌞😂😂😂

[karaspara]

What doest that have to do with anything?

[pjf1958]

Even though your response is childish, juvenile, irrational, at least you've got the courage to show yourself.

[dray995]

@Taskhan 🤡

[Taskhan]

@dray995 Yes... I like Trump very much 🇺🇸

[Anonymous]

Yes, he was largely responsible for fast tracking COVID vaccines (now approved by the CDC) and recommends all his followers get vaccinated just like him.

[exitseven]

I never had any other opinion except now there needs to be consequences to his incompetence since Americans have now lost their lives.

[Anonymous]

What? No way. Biden is doing so well with the Afghanistan withdrawal. And covid is nearly gone with no new cases.

[DarkWinterNights]

Dripping sarcasm?

[Opinion Owner]

@DarkWinterNights Oh. Absolutely.

[EmbraceThePain]

On many issues, yes.
Not all.

[karaspara]

Nobody covers all the bases

[EmbraceThePain]

Yes.

What do you think former President Trump is right about though? Just curious

[karaspara]

Vaccinations ( not all the silly talk about bleach )
The Economy
And I believe the Afghan withdrawal would have been handled a lot better Americans and other allies wouldn't have been left at the mercy of the Taliban

[EmbraceThePain]

Oh yeah, the withdrawal was horribly done, that’s nearly agreed upon by everyone.

As for the vaccinations and economy? I don’t know what you mean by the vaccinations part.

What aspect of vaccinations is Trump right about?

[snackthatsmilesback]

I'm sure he's right about some things but what are you referring to here?

[007kingifrit]

i think trump is right about... most things. but what specifically?

[Anonymous]

trump was a fucking idiot who was never right about anything.

[007kingifrit]

cowardly anonymous post. he boosted our wages by reducing immigration, he was right about china, he was right to want to leave afghanastan but was also right to be tougher on the taliban than joe so we wouldn't have seen this debacle unfold

yea he was right about a lot of things. but you are not mature enough to admit that

[Opinion Owner]

@007kingifrit immigration didn't decline under trump so any paltry increase in wages had nothing to do with that. www.migrationpolicy.org/.../immigrant-population-over-time

right about china how? be specific.

tougher on the taliban? lmao. he abandoned the afghan government and negotiated with the taliban to hand over Afghanistan to them. how is that being tough?

Mike Pompeo being "tough" with the taliban. 😂


Like trump, you haven't been right about a single thing.

[007kingifrit]

Trump significantly reduced immigration from 600k a year to 200k a year www.msn.com/.../ar-BB1atamj

if you can't get that right how can we have a conversation about any of the other stuff?

[Anonymous]

Right about what, exactly?

Building a wall? Injecting bleach? Fucking your daughter?

[pjf1958]

If you're going to inject childish diatribe into this discussion, then be a man and get off of your anonymous as and show yourself.

[karaspara]

Wall's mean shit it was a vote winner perhaps look at yourselves for that one

[karaspara]

@pjf1958 well said

[pjf1958]

Thank you

[MCheetah]

@karaspara
Honestly, you shouldn't have left Anonymous mode on. I never leave it on for any political comments. And if they come on here starting to talk sh*t while being an anonymous pussy, I'd just delete their comment. Not if they at least talk sh*t using their real username, but the petty trolling from pussies. Just delete them.

[karaspara]

@MCheetah Lesson learned

[sage2021]

@pjf1958 He's not man enough or he wouldn't have to hide himself behind his Mommy's apron string's and be anonymous. If people are her anonymously then what they doesn't count at all. You can just skip replies from that group. In the old days we called people like that chicken!! If you are anonymous, then you are invisible to us. Your opinion is null and void just like you want it to be. You set yourself up! 🐔

[dray995]

He’s right about you being gay, jackass anonymous moron!

[Opinion Owner]

*eats popcorn while reading these yummy butthurt comments*

[karaspara]

Enjoy your popcorn inadequate anon fraggle 😂😂😂

[Pterodon]

I’ve always known he’s right

[msc545]

Right about what exactly? He has been completely wrong about everything, and he is going to prison.

[karaspara]

Disagree and yeah he isn't though is he IJS

[msc545]

what?

[888theGreat]

1) he was right most times
2) He is not going to prison
3) He will win election

[karaspara]

@888theGreat @msc545 I don't personally like Trump but if Biden is the best of the rest sorry case closed

[NYCQuestions1976]

Donald Trump is not going to prison for the same reasons Andrew Cuomo, Hillary Clinton, and any other high-ranking politicians with possible criminal associations aren't going to jail: Money and the Secret Service.

[msc545]

@888theGreat Trump was right about nothing, he is a mentally ill criminal, and he will go to prison. Wait and see - you are the guy that predicted he would be re-elected, and how right were you about that?

[karaspara]

Can of worms I see i've opened here

[NYCQuestions1976]

@karaspara Happens here all the time. 👍😂

[msc545]

@NYCQuestions1976 There are some very hardcore Trumpers here. Trump could have sex with a 10-year-old girl in broad daylight in the middle of 5th avenue in New York, and they would find a way to excuse him.

[karaspara]

@msc545 i'm not a hardcore anything but all I am seeing are people attacking Trump not explaining or defending the buffoon in the hot seat now

[NYCQuestions1976]

@msc545 Well hyperbole aside, Trump isn't going to jail, along with any other high-ranking politicians, because of the reasons I stated above.

[msc545]

@NYCQuestions1976 He might, he might not. Hard to tell.

[888theGreat]

He was reelected Trump 81 million votes Biden 60 million votes plus all the illegal votes.

[msc545]

Yes well a very large number of Courts don't agree with you that any of the boats were illegal

[t-8900]

@msc545 wait is this a troll? i can't tell tbh lol

[karaspara]

@t-8900 Original and well thought argument kudos 😂💁

[t-8900]

@karaspara exactly XD

[msc545]

boat=votes. fucking lack of editing!

[NorthwestRider]

Lol we found a MAGA cult member

He was right on one thing, when he said get the vaccine

[bamesjond0069]

he's been right. Thats why i voted for him.

[Anonymous]

Right about which one of his 40,000 lies and wrong predictions?

[karaspara]

40'000 is a very precise number can you verify these for me?

[Opinion Owner]

My bad it was only 30,500 www.washingtonpost.com/.../

[karaspara]

😂😂😂 9/500 less lies you cheeky porker you

[Opinion Owner]

You think 30,500 isn't much? Lol. And its probably 40,000 now lol

[karaspara]

Of course it's a lot lol but all politicians lie i'd love to know how many Boris Johnson has told us but regardless of how despicable Trump was he did a better job than Biden

[Opinion Owner]

How though? How does he do a better job

[karaspara]

The Economy was stronger the Afghan situation would have been handled differently and he is advocating vaccines while Biden leaves ethnic minorities waiting

[Opinion Owner]

Lol the economy wasn't stronger, it was in a very bad state when he left

[ScottStevens]

Pls check your source. The Washington Post is not very known for being objective on political issues. They proudly lean left.

[TallAnon]

He says a lot, sometimes he has a point, sometimes he does not. What specifically do you mean?

[legalboxers]

*watches all the fan boys wave their red flag and pump their chests*

[Rachelspiks]

Right about what?

[karaspara]

The Economy The withdrawal from Afghanistan and the pandemic ( eventually )

[Rachelspiks]

Yes, about all three. He's also correct when he says that Biden is an incompetent, senile (although he doesn't use that word) president.

[karaspara]

@rachelspiks yeah we can use it though lol

[TurkishDİxon3419]

It's good that Trump left, he was crazy anyway

[karaspara]

Fair enough I don't like him but he did a better job than Biden has and do you have anything to back your claims or are you just aimlessly waffling?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

In the Trump administration, America was a very strange state, it was not clear what it was doing. You have experienced a lot of bad events under the presidency of trump.

[karaspara]

And you know this how as a Turk? Not criticising asking I am also not American I merely make observations I don't state them as facts

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
We asked for patriots, they didn't give us patriots. When we bought the s400, they immediately put an embargo on us with the f35, but turkey also contributed to the f35, they did not give the f35, they took our money, and we cannot use the s400s. But the greece s400 is using it, why can't we use it?

[karaspara]

I have no idea but unless Biden is giving you a refund what's your point?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
Not Biden. The Trump administration did this bastard, NATO is not Turkey's friend, it's its enemy. They didn't give us patriots and prevented us from buying s400. They took it out of the f35 program and didn't give us the f35s, which is our right, and put it on the money. They supported the PKK and violated our border security. They have driven our neighbors into internal turmoil and created a refugee problem for us.

[karaspara]

Is Biden trying to put these ills right or is it not even on his agenda?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

I don't know it was newly elected and I don't think it will fix it. By the way, why did you insult Prophet Muhammad?

[karaspara]

Because I fight fire with fire and your pedo prophet isn't off limits anymore than Jesus or Buddah

[TurkishDİxon3419]

Is it still the same, don't say that to our lord. Hz. Aisha was not a child, she came with false information, the Arabs had the custom of counting the age after puberty, this is how it is and she was engaged to another man before she got married. Besides, why didn't anyone object to this situation, if he was a bad person, why didn't anyone tell him anything about it?

[karaspara]

Ask your people how should I know?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

Stop slandering, then why would a pedophile's first wife be 25 years older than him? Isn't that a contradiction?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

Also, in the Arabian climate, the girls looked older than their age.

[TurkishDİxon3419]

Why do you slander someone else's prophet when our religion is leaving the religion that insulted the Prophet Jesus?

[karaspara]

Yes if it was true at the end of the day respect is earned Muslims expect everyone to bow down to there beliefs well sorry I won't i've been to several muslim countries including Turkey, Syria ( before the war ) and Morocco I have no problem with anyone but if you think murdering people for talking about your prophet or drawing a pic of him is a reasonable response then that's on you not me

[TurkishDİxon3419]

It is wrong to kill them, but Hz. They were prevented from humiliating Muhammad. No one can insult our Prophet. We must not kill them, but we must prevent this action. Sultan II in History. Abdulhamid, in France, Hz. When he learned that he was going to organize a theater of insults about Mohammed, he informed the French ambassador that if you did not stop this show, he would tear down that hall. If you really loved Jesus, you wouldn't be making fun of him. Many Christians make fun of Jesus, but no Muslim talks badly about Jesus, that's the difference between us. We love Jesus more than you.

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara are you catholic By the way, I apologize for what I said.

[karaspara]

1) You assume I am a Christian
2) I am well aware that Isa ( Jesus ) is an important prophet in Islam
3) Your argument doesn't excuse murder no matter how you dress it up

[karaspara]

By birth yes I am a Catholic as an adult I am undecided

[TurkishDİxon3419]

So who defended the murder? I already said they were wrong.

[karaspara]

Ok then good

[TurkishDİxon3419]

Finally Did we made peace?

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karasparaIf you examine the life of the Prophet, you will see that he did not hold grudges against anyone. He forgave everything that was done to him. He just did not forgive the crimes done to his family. For example, a black man killed his favorite person, his uncle, and took out his liver in the war, that black man became a Muslim and our master did not give him any punishment.

[karaspara]

I hope so

[karaspara]

@TurkishDİxon3419 I have no desire to offend or upset anyone but I will defend myself

[TurkishDİxon3419]

You can curse me, but no one can insult my religion.

[karaspara]

There is so little difference between Islam Christianity and Judaism that it's frankly ridiculous that people still fight over it after 2000 years

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
Islam is not like Christianity. There are Sharia laws, just like in Judaism, and out book commands us to follow it.

[karaspara]

It is very similar to Christianity ( Immaculate conception aside ) what the Jews follow we are meant also to follow the Torah and the Old Testament are essentially the same book

[TurkishDİxon3419]

In the Qur'an, Christians are seen closer to Muslims in terms of love because the Jews tried to murder the Prophet Isa and other prophets (according to you, he died, but according to the Qur'an, he was taken to the sky and Judas was shown as Jesus) and killed many prophets, but Christians do not behave like this.

[karaspara]

Some do many in the west do not follow but go to the Biblebelt in the USA or rural parts of Ireland much of Africa you will see very different Christians to what you think

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
Did you mean devout christians?

[karaspara]

Yes of course just as you have devout Muslims ( I know many muslims that drink alcohol for example )

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
Yes, there are people who use it, but that doesn't make them an infidel. We all have sins, I have sins, you have too, but in our religion, even if you fall into the same sin 70 times in a day, you can be forgiven. You just have to sincerely repent and let go of that sin.

[karaspara]

@TurkishDİxon3419 same in Christianity

[TurkishDİxon3419]

@karaspara
Yes, but we don't have anything like going to the priest, so in some Christian denominations, you go to the priest and tell your confession. But in our country, sins are not told to anyone, on the contrary, they are hidden. In other words, sins are hidden and not explained to anyone openly.

[jackinoff]

Might be? If you still believe in the man who can't complete a sentence, I don't know what to think.

[JesseJayNeak]

Now people are waking up and realising that they made a mistake

[Iron_Man]

Yes of course I’m glad you see it this way

[FunkyMonkee]

Of course he is!!

[Browneye57]

Gee... ya think? LOL

[karaspara]

Outside looking in not always clear

[jshm2]

You're off your meds again, kiddo.

[karaspara]

If that's your response perhaps i'm back on them

[EnglishEuropean]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Caunsos]

Right about what?

[karaspara]

Economy Afghanistan vaccines

[Caunsos]

The economy no i dont. He economic policies were designed to aid him and his family in increasing their wealth. On Afghanistan, for that we need to end our occupation in the country i agree with that but that he could do a better job not at all it was going to be a shit show even with a perfect plan. As for vaccines. Seeing how his whole family and him are vaccinated i would say yes people should get vaccinated so we can put an end to covid.

[007kingifrit]

@Caunsos trump's economic policies helped every American, assessing his motivations is pointless. only result matter in politics

wages went up under trump in real terms, immigration going down had a big part in this , and the tariffs and trade deals brought jobs back to america

[Caunsos]

@007kingifrit compairing Trump’s policies to Obama's and useing the last 36 months of Obama and first 36 months Trump’s, because including 2020 would unfair to trump as covid-19 would ruined any president economy plans, we see on average wages increase 1.3% a year under Obama vs.8% a year unfer Trump. Next jobs created Obama had a lovely 8.1 million vs. Trumps 6.6 million that almost a quarter less. I will give that trump was president when hit the 3.1% unemployment rate ( not sure that the right number but it was major low)

As for those tariffs those hurt the American economy but don't take my word for it. In January 2020, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) explained how tariffs reduce U. S. economic activity in three ways: 1) Consumer and capital goods become more expensive; 2) Business uncertainty increases, thereby reducing or slowing investment; and 3) Other countries impose retaliatory tariffs, making U. S. exports more expensive and thus reducing them.

[007kingifrit]

its also unfair to make any direct comparisons like that because obama took office after an economic crash. it was at rock bottom. so those numbers are meaningless

[Caunsos]

I would agree with you on that point if we werent not dis counting Obama's first 5 years in office.

[Wise4myage]

Right about what? He’s wrong about everything.

[Wise4myage]

Sorry I read that wrong. Trump I was right. Surrender in Chief Biden is a total moron.

[karaspara]

I disagree I don'tParticularly like him but Joe just wow

[Wise4myage]

Yeah, he needs to resign.

[Andres77]

Who's going to take his place? The former state attorney responsible for imprisoning more black men in her terms than anyone before her?
Pelosi? Really?
The election was a scam.
We deserve what's coming, not the Afghani people though.

[Wise4myage]

@Andres77 I know, Harris is pathetic.🙁

[karaspara]

@Andres77 The Afghan people were always getting this it was just delayed by 20 years

[NYCQuestions1976]

President Biden won't resign, and the liberals in the Democratic party won't remove him prior to January 20th, 2023. Otherwise Kamala Harris would only be able to run and serve for a single additional full term, per the term limits Amendment in the Constitution (2 terms or a maximum of 10 years). If Harris becomes President prior to January 20th, 2023, she'll only be able to run and serve as President for one additional term. So if Biden is removed, it'll happen after January 20th, 2023.

[disgustingweebtrash]

He's just another puppet amongst many