Do you think that for once Trump is not wrong regarding this?

[msc545]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/keeping-men-out-of-womens-sports/

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Trump's fear of homosexuality has actually overwhelmed his misogyny, at least temporarily.

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I don't think that Trump gives a shit about women or anyone but himself, but I also think his fear of homoexuality exceeds his hatred of women.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, I don’t care.
What is kinda dumb is how we are making it a spectacle out of this…

Like hear me out, I believe the amount of transgender boys in girl’s sports in children schools is less than 5. In college in 2024, around 10 to 15.
Like this doesn’t really impacts anything or does anything since we’ve known for years now that transgender is one of the smallest minority groups in terms of the LGBTQ+ community.

This isn’t a victory or something to celebrate, not even anything to worry about at all.

I’m sure co-ed / mixed is good enough for some students, though I also wish support systems in place for transgender athletes to navigate the sports sector better instead of being treated with such hate / resentment especially towards kids and young adults, they don’t deserve the hatred for having the courage to be who they are.

Like again, if there were 5 boys were like carrying a pink backpack when it is a “girl thing” so a Principal did a victory lap on the Football Field having a rally in celebration of forcing boys to carry blue backpacks instead allowing the girls more freedom over backpack color then I think you would be seeing the absurdity as a student going there.

[msc545]

You should try telling this to the girls who have to compete against biological men.

[Opinion Owner]

I thought Trump put a stop to it for one…
Secondly, all I said was cool ban them all. Though allow opportunities for transgender students to participate. They shouldn’t share a locker room unless permission from the girls is granted since their voices matter, though allow co-ed / mixed sports DON’T convert all female only to male and female same with NOT converting all male only to female and male. Wouldn’t be fair.

There should be more help to transgender students, though not at the expense of biological female students, kay?

[msc545]

This is not about locker rooms, despite your attempt at changing the subject - it is about fair competition. What is the point of a sport in which one class of competitors had a distance biological advantage? No, not "kay".

[Opinion Owner]

I’m not changing the subject other than voicing concerns. Okay let’s go step by step my belief.
- No biological advantages shouldn’t be forced onto girls only sports
- There should be services to allow co-ed and mixed sports / avenues to allow transgenders to feel included though NOT FORCE girls only or boys only to convert.
- Locker rooms separate
Done. If these agree or disagree idc.

[Caroline91]

This is a subject I have been really torn about forming an opinion one way or another. I really like what you have proposed here.

[Opinion Owner]

@caroline91 I appreciate that since I did know one trans kid growing up, didn’t know what Trans was back then though didn’t see it as out of place or question it. Would see them out in the halls. In my school we had Co-ed gym classes, Girls Only / Boys Only afterschool sports and everyone got along so I based my proposal on that. I had a learning disability and needed people sticking up / standing by me so if it were that Trans kid I would speak up for a compromise that maintains sportsmanship and inclusivity also compassion and understanding the way I was brought up.

[slatyb]

This is a complex issue, but at the highest levels I sympathize with the cis-women. Because we can't agree on the definition of "woman", I think we should rename sports divisions to X and Y and segregate based on chromosomes. No matter what we do someone will be disadvantaged.

[msc545]

Part of the cost of making a decision to become a trans woman is recognizing that there are going to be certain things that you simply cannot do. One of those things is playing sports against real women.

[slatyb]

I don't even want to talk about the definition of "woman". This is a very small problem, just a handful of trans-women playing high level amateur sports.

[msmissydc]

So an executive order based on a definition that says, that there are no more humans, (because its written by scientific illiterats) should be good in what way? Its funny when hatefull laws, based on hatfull arguments are written, when the argument is easily disproven by facts and science.

[msc545]

@msmissydc please explain why it is that women should have to compete against biological men in strength contests.

[msmissydc]

It's not only strength contests, though. There have been multiple sports areas that were unisex until a woman won and beat men; then men cried for a male and female league under the pretense of "protecting women." It's not that I disagree with the issue, but it needs much more fine balancing. I disagree with the reason this is done; in Trump's case, it's hatred. Also, like I said, Trump's definition of sex is defining everyone as non-human. He was too stupid to find an actual definition of sex that's based on reality. So no I don't trust someone who can't even get the basic anatomy right to know and understand the issue of transgender people in sport. This is my issue.

[msc545]

You wrote "There have been multiple sports areas that were unisex until a woman won and beat men; then men cried for a male and female league under the pretense of 'protecting women."

Exactly which sports were these, and when did all this occur? Please include links to actual evidence.

[msmissydc]

Prime excample probably because shooting is often considered a "manly" sport
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Shan She won gold in skeet shooting in olympics. The next olympics women could not even participate and the next one after that it was separated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madge_Syers A women won silver the next time figure skating was seperated by sex.

[msc545]

Where is the evidence that men demanded this, as you previously alleged?

[msmissydc]

www.olympics.com/.../look-to-the-past-madge-syers
"At first, the judges wanted to ban her from competing; however, as there were no rules specifically restricting women from entering, they allowed her to compete." That the judges where all male you can look it up yourself is linked in her wiki article.
If the first one isn't obvious to you though I think you are just missing reading comprehension.

[msc545]

Since the judges were all male AND they allowed herto compete because there were no rules against it, that logically means that they were more faithful to the rules than they were to any inherent biases they might have held, their male gender notwithstanding.

I think you are missing the ability to think logically and critically.

[msmissydc]

What are you talking about? They were forced to allow her to partition once, so they changed the rule so they could exclude her next time. How is trying to exclude her but not being able to a reason for being praised? I see the missing logic at your point.

[msc545]

How nice for you.

[7Phoenix7]

I dont think he genuinely cares about it. But he isn't wrong... for once...

[goaded]

I don't think it needs laws, divisiveness, othering, and hate. It should have been left to the sports governing bodies.

a world where girls’ genitals need to be inspected before they can play any sport is worse for girls..

[AviatorTom]

It's been demonstrated that biological men have an unfair advantage in women's sports, which should be open to biological women only. Maybe there should be an open category, where men, women and trans can compete?

[msc545]

That is actually a pretty good idea. I can't think of how else we might solve this problem.

[Anonymous]

is it that hard to say "do you think Trump is right about this"? he's right and its frightening it had to come to him dealing with it vs the others that can't define a woman.

[Irritatedyet]

Awwww, that's the nicest thing you've ever said, lol. And I agree, he isn't wrong on this

[Sevenpointfive]

there's easy solutions to these problems. but nobody asks me.

[purplepoppy]

Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

I don't know why we need to politicise things like this, surely we can all agree it's a dumb idea in a lot of sports.

[ProbablyClueless]

Unfortunately there is some meaningful part of the American electorate that thinks it makes no difference.

[goaded]

@ProbablyClueless Compared to millions of people being thrown off Medicaid, a dozen people performing at an average level in competitions isn't important.

Besides, the US military, which has genuine experience and data, says that performance levels of trans women drop to cis levels within a fairly short time (five years or so, iirc).

[purplepoppy]

The far right has zero interest in protecting women in sport, it's surprising that they even allow us to play. In their eyes we are 2nd class citizens who should stay at home cleaning and churning out kids for our beer swilling wife beating husbands. While Trump is technically right about trannies in sport his motivation is driven not by protecting women but the desire to discriminate against a group

[msc545]

@goaded Each male trans person performing trashes an entire team if not a stadium full of fan. This is not as minimal as you paint it.

[msc545]

His fear of homosexuality is what drives this, not any disdain for unfairness, which he usually relishes.

[goaded]

@msc545 How often has that happened, exactly? More or less often than women have died from not being allowed an abortion? Which do you think is more important?

This is just to distract from how Trump's Project 2025 is destroying the country.

[msc545]

Just like an abortion or just like a murder if it happens even once that is once too many. You seem to think that there is some cut off wherein if something doesn't happen enough times it doesn't count according to you. But do I really need to point out the logical fallacy here?

[msc545]

In the end, an argument based on rate of occurrence only counts in economics and we're not talking economics here.

[goaded]

OK, really I'm trying to find out if it has even once happened. That a trans woman (not "male trans person", that's just you being a dick) "performing trashes an entire team if not a stadium full of fan.".

When and where?

By the way, the stupid anti-abortion laws are blocking medical treatment that even Catholic hospitals used to perform. Hence the extra deaths. I find actual deaths of actual people far more important than a couple of trans women in sports.

[msc545]

@goaded How do you think people feel when a whole class of biologically superior people (relative to the sport to be engaged in) is allowed to compete equally with them, and there is nothing they can do to remedy or at least mitigate this short of not competing at all?

I find it interesting that you think that permitting murder is the only way to remedy the problem of "blocked medical treatment". Do you think the deaths of abortion victims (which occur with every abortion) are not "actual deaths" ? Do those somehow not count?

[goaded]

Again, an example? Just one? Trans women's strength drops off significantly within years of starting to transition. The US military have researched this. Pre-teen girls tend to be bigger and stronger than the boys.

And no, an abortion is not a murder, but even if it was, denying women essential treatment for a miscarriage is definitely causing their deaths.

[msc545]

@goaded The points you cited in your first paragraph above are unsupported by any sources and are in any case irrelevant. The persistence of strength is not the issue.

Any successful abortion is indistinguishable from a premeditated murder.

[goaded]

My first paragraph asked for an example of what you're claiming. Without a single example, that's the very definition of unsupported by any evidence.

We know where we both stand on abortion.

[Godihateyou]

Trump is not afraid of Homosexuals or misogynistic. Never ever was

[DrPepper12]

He is correct but this is not his lane