Do you think Ukraine started the Russian invasion of their country?

[goaded]

"You should have never started it." Trump

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OMG: "I could have made a deal for Ukraine," [Trump] said. "That would have given them almost all of the land, everything, almost all of the land - and no people would have been killed, and no city would have been demolished."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd0n5e1pdz9o

Let me know when he hands over Texas because Mexico wants it back.

[AyChingao]

Simply put... rubbish... Putin accosted Ukraine for possessing the temerity to sit there right on the Russian border while being Ukraine. We are aware. of course that if it comes out of Trump's mouth it is a lie, or Putin's willy as I doubt Trump has the desire to bite that off. In future it would be much simpler to assume that thr opposite of anything slithering from between his lips is a falsehood. On the other hand, if he is accusing someone, then it should be assumed that he himself is engaged in the activity he is condemning.
Observation: Many Texans may eventually see the value in choosing Mexico over Trumpland and voluntarily join, that Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo has spirit, yes she does!

[AyChingao]

thanks for MHO

[goaded]

Thank you for your helpful opinions!

[Darklydarkened]

The fact that, all this started because Ukraine literally attempted to become more Nato friendly, and Trump is trying to dump it on Ukraine, who are being invaded and bombed by the score

I have actual friends in Odessa, right fucking now who say that they haven't had heating and electricty for the last 20 hours just today.

And some self serving jackass, wants Ukranian precious minerals to be handed over, wants US hegemony to continiue, and also this supposed Nato enemy to be appeased because he feels like it

[goaded]

I could understand Ukraine exchanging some territory for NATO membership, but excluding that option on the way into negotiations is ridiculous. The Russians are lying about targetting civilian infrastructure, too. They even hit Chernobyl!

[goaded]

*peace and NATO membership

[Darklydarkened]

I know for a fact, they opened random fire upon civilian convoys that were passing to Odessa from Mikolayiv

I literally know people whose father in law's cars got hit with multiple bulletholes

[purplepoppy]

Those Russian tanks just wanted a nice tour of Ukraine, perhaps buy some souvenirs and take a few selfies. But no, those libtards in the fake news had to portray people marching with automatic weapons as an invading army just because they shot a few people didn't they? Ukraine started the war by not making a deal, if they had simply handed their country over that nice Mr putin would have given them a nice new flag in exchange.

[goaded]

Blood, death, and something else instead of wheat and sky? Who wouldn't want to switch?

[Still-alive]

It's typical abuser narcissist logic of blaming the victim

[goaded]

Why are you hitting yourself?

[Cormac995]

The biggest piece of bullshit since an entire ranches worth of cattle were fed 20 pounds of laxatives.

[goaded]

LMAO, literally!

[Cormac995]

Slava Ukraine, Heroyam Slava!

[Kaneki05]

Trump is officially the president who somehow thinks Russia is an ally to US when it hasn't been since 1917.
Oh well Ukraine is gone now, they had a chance to take over Russia while Biden was in power but didn't. EU could try to still defend Ukraine but no point if it will make trouble with US.

[LouieLouie69]

Started it? No, but they stood defiantly and cockily stated “ Bring it on “ and did very little to defuse the situation and actively aggravated it!! But I think Russia is wrong and needs to STOP now!! They need to turn around and exit the arena!!

[LouieLouie69]

Russia has a legitimate interest in keeping NATO off their FK’n borders!! Take a good look at a world military strategist map and just LOOK HOW Russia is completely surrounded by NATO and look how close to their major metropolitan areas armed/ Fueled/and pointed mussels and warheads are!’ You just need a small sense of “ Fair play “ to understand their position!! Nearly every metro area in Russia is a simple 10-30 minute flight time from launch to touchdown while they have NOTHING closer than a few hours time to us. The Russian people have said FOR DECADES they will not ALLOW NATO To be on their border with no buffer zone! I’m an American and I can certainly understand their position on that issue!! NATO is the single most blood thirsty war mongering entity in the entire world. Look at the SHEER NUMBER OF NATIONS THEY HAVE BOMBED SINCE THEIR CONCEPTION!! Nothing more dangerous than career military. Train your whole life for something you never get to do? Is almost unacceptable to those fruitcakes!! Fuck NATO and anyone who supports those coward bastards!! They have dropped more bombs on women and children than anyone should ever be allowed!! Fact!!
The supporters of a peaceful future is the youth who REFUSE military service?

[goaded]

"Russia has a legitimate interest in keeping NATO off their FK’n borders!!"
NATO has been on Russia's "FK’n borders" for decades. The guns point towards the threat, and that is obviously Russia.

[dustybiker2]

Of course not it's his usual blame and deflect bs.
He's only after their mineral rights, no?
He only fools his voters.

[Danzigdawson]

Yeah, they just wanted attention and free publicity.

[DryGermanGuy]

Of course not, what a sick distortion of recent history is this.

[DryGermanGuy]

“Mr. President, Ukraine did not ‘start’ this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. The Road to Peace must be built on the Truth.”
- Former VP Mike Pence
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[Spencer10]

Good god no. There is no excuse for Russia invading a sovereign country that was no threat.

[SmokinAces2000]

Of course, Ukraine definitely picked a fight with a country 28 times bigger than them. Its the only logical explanation after all

[Levin]

Well, it seems like the West and Ukraine made a number of strategic blunders.

[goaded]

Any that justified an invasion?

[Levin]

Not trying to justify anything. Just trying to acknowledge the cold brutal reality of international politics. Ukraine and the rest of Europe *goaded* a bully. The consequences have been fucking disastrous. And now Europe is too weak and lily-livered to deal with it.

[goaded]

No, they didn't. The people had the audacity to choose to run their country in the way they wanted it run. NATO was never a threat to anyone, it's a defensive, democratic pact that worked for decades. The West is duty bound to support the people.

[Levin]

That's fair. But Putin thought otherwise. That's why they done fucked up.

[goaded]

No, Putin is a liar, a dictator, and a bully. That's why he invaded, not because he felt "threatened".

[OddBeMe]

Uhg, if people just wouldn't fight when the fuhrer invades

[Ladsin2]

Nope, although I don't think the West should've pussyfooted around the issue so much. Bring The Ukraine into NATO or don't. Indecisiveness and posturing are the main reasons I think Russia invaded.

[DrPepper12]

It's a theatre of the "mind" he creates moment to moment but he's a genius too

[msc545]

no...

[goaded]

Why didn't I make this a poll? Brain fart. Sorry.