I want my gross pay. What makes the government think they’re entitled to a portion of my paycheck?

[Kingofkings1992]

This is basically telling me that I don’t own my own labor. It’s money being taken away that I never agreed to. How is that not theft?

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Sales tax is different. I’m consuming something. I have the choice to purchase it. I don’t have a choice in needing a fucking income

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The use of government services is irrelevant, because I will get taxed whether I use them or not.

[OneViewpoint]

Excellent. So we won't be fixing the roads and bridges you drive on. The same roads and bridges that truckers use to stock your local grocery stores with food. There won't be any FDA to keep the food supply or prescription drugs safe. No federal funds to help educate your kids. No FAA providing an air traffic control system and workforce to keep you safe. Or money to keep farmers from going bankrupt. Or courts. We'll just do away with those too. We'll eliminate the the FBI. We can go back to criminals crossing state lines to avoid prosecution. We can get rid of the treasury department. No more US currency. You can trade chickens or rocks. No federal reserve banking system. Every bank for itself. They go bankrupt you lose all your money. No more grants to universities or corporations for research that develops medical technology or defense systems. We'll get rid of the EPA and OSHA. Let corporations pollute anything everywhere all the time. We'll fire all the military and sell all the ships and aircraft and tanks and trucks. And we'll get rid of that nasty FEMA deep state too. Save your own home from floods, hurricanes, fires, and earthquakes.

There, you'll have no taxes. And no country.

[Kingofkings1992]

Blah blah blah. None of this nonsense means they’re entitled to a chunk of my earnings

[OneViewpoint]

@Kingofkings1992,

OK Jesus Boy, and you're not entitled to any of the benefits government provides to society. Go live off the grid, alone, in the woods somewhere. Like it's 1542. Or leave you freeloader.

[Kingofkings1992]

Jesus boy? um….. what?

[DrPepper12]

Again, WE as a species have LEARNED that some things are best provided for COLLECTIVELY. This isn't hard.

[lightbulb27]

They could send two armed soldiers to your door to collect but decided... it's so expensive. so just threaten you with laws.

All this ensures the eat like kings and queens and justify their existence. What country does not tax people to pay for all those whom aren't making it?

[seeyounexttuesday]

Try a sizeable chunk.

And think about you buy a house, car, boat whatever... you pay the entire thing off. It's yours! Great... oh wait, if you owe property taxes on it and don't pay them the government can seize your property... then do you really own it?

[seeyounexttuesday]

https://fairtax.org/

[DrPepper12]

Yes you own it. Really?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 Can the government take it away if I don't pay the taxes?

[DrPepper12]

Yes. Pay your damn taxes. It's the contract you entered into when you financed it or established residency.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 so then I don't own it if the government can confiscate it from me.

[Kingofkings1992]

@seeyounexttuesday you can’t use logic and reason with someone like drpepper12

[DrPepper12]

You own it AND the obligations that come with ownership.

Do you drive without insurance?
Do you use a phone but not pay the common carrier tax?

Do you NOT own the utility strip but are still responsible for its maintenance?

These are the trade offs of the social contract. Yes you own your house, car, income but ALL of that comes with LEGAL, CONTRACTUAL concomitant obligations! You too @Kingofkings1992

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 I don't own it if the government can take it away from me. I own an iphone. If someone can take it away from me, I'd call them a thief.

[DrPepper12]

Enuf with the govt can take it away from me. Pay your taxes and that won't happen. Have you read "civil disobedience" by Thoreau?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 Then I don’t own it, do I? And after the absolute obscene amount of waste this government performs I don’t want to pay those leeches a single penny.

[DrPepper12]

It's a lien!! Not theft!!

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 Someone takes something of mine without my consent. What do we call that?

[Kingofkings1992]

@seeyounexttuesday T- H-E-F-T

[DrPepper12]

So all the benefits of collective taxation but you yourself don't pay?

Should the taxpayers be able to revoke your civilization freeloading then? How would that work?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@DrPepper12 Didn’t I pay taxes to purchase the item? You know, sales tax? With income that was taxed?

[DrPepper12]

Sales tax cannot support our modern govt. It just can't and it's the most regressive tax there is. I can't believe this needs explaining!!

[Kingofkings1992]

@seeyounexttuesday libtard just doesn’t get it

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kingofkings1992 usually jealousy since he can’t afford anything that gets property taxed.

[DrPepper12]

"The government" is WE.

WE, having decided to live together, have decided that there are common societal needs that are best met collectively in order to be civilized.

Taxes are the cover charge for civilization.

It's not "entitled". It's common sense.

[Kingofkings1992]

I never agreed to that.

[DrPepper12]

Then live your principles! Disassociate from civilized society.

[Kingofkings1992]

Or…. Just stop fucking stealing my money. That’s an option too ya know

[ProbablyClueless]

You're allowed to ask your employer to not withhold your taxes. They only do that as a curtesy thing to make people's lives easier.

[ProbablyClueless]

The only thing is that you have to remember to pay your taxes when they're due.

[Kingofkings1992]

That’s bullshit. There should not be taxes on income. Period

[DrPepper12]

Soooooooo... What should be taxed?

[Kingofkings1992]

@DrPepper12 things people consume. Sales tax is fine. Income tax is THEFT, you’ve just been brainwashed into believing that it’s okay.

[DrPepper12]

So you support a consumption tax but not an income tax. You're halfway to understanding. Take the next logical step and you're there!

[Kingofkings1992]

@DrPepper12 no, with sales tax I’m consenting. You don’t seem to understand the difference

[DrPepper12]

I can't make you understand so I'll just ask for your concept of a plan to fund govt on a sales / consumption tax

[Kingofkings1992]

@DrPepper12 not my problem. You apparently can’t grasp the meaning of the word “consent.” I own my labor, no one else owns the slightest bit of my labor. Therefore, I own my 100% of my earnings.

[beefcakebradybatson]

The income tax was instituted in 1913 to pay for government agencies, and to fund possible wars.

[loveslongnails]

You can claim 10 deductions and deal with it at tax time. Let us know how that works out.

[zombiewoof]

In the long run the higher sales tax will cost you more

[Notherndude84]

Don’t expect any government services then.

[Uglygaypoorcoward94]

You labor on their soil.

[SherlockHolmo]

Our suspect here dances with the devil in the pale moonlight, suggesting a sinister pact with the state, where each wage-earned step is a form of sovereignty tribute. But beneath this cloak of civic duty lurks a 'Soil Siphoner,' slyly diverting the lifeblood of hardworking citizens into the coffers of the sodomistic machine! @AnalUnraveler, let us unmask this 'Paycheck Pirouetteur' and free the people from his government-funded butt sex!

[Uglygaypoorcoward94]

@SherlockHolmo Something like that

[Uglygaypoorcoward94]

@SherlockHolmo Futhermore you're quite a devil yourself hurling accusations and drawing conclusions on very little 0 information. Keep sleuthing you might learn something

[Uglygaypoorcoward94]

in fact I wouldve already been a millionaire if I sued people like you when I worked at Red Robin for harassment and discrimination. I will get what is mine in due time and all you mockers scoffers scorners and naysayers will eat your words

[exitseven]

good question.