Should it be illegal to refuse cash pay?

[OddBeMe]

Yes, it should be

No, it’s store’s choice

[Chazmatazz269]

US money says right on it “legal tender for all debts public and private”.
The mistake a lot of people make is assuming that they HAVE to take your cash before a debt is incurred. They do not.
Some US restaurants never went back to cash after covid. As long as they tell you up front that cash isn’t accepted, they don’t have to accept cash. If you incur a debt under false pretenses, YOU are in violation of law, not them. You could be the asshole in jail for trying to scam a Subway clerk. Ell oh ell!
I’m libertarian. I think business owners should be able to limit their revenues as much as they want for any reason or no reason at all. They don’t owe you any products or services. If you don’t like how they do business, go find a business that suits you better. Remember that when they say “let the market decide”, YOU are the market! YOU are buying things and YOU are providing goods and/or services. The market will bear exactly what people like us demand, nothing more and nothing less.

[OddBeMe]

Forcing a business to do anything seems communist. Thanks tho.

[Chazmatazz269]

There’s a lot of vague about that statement. First we have to clear up “forcing”. The government stepping in to acquire a business or industry for the purpose of controlling it is a perverse form of communism. But controlling the market by “voting with your wallet” is capitalism at its best, completely altruistic. We shouldn’t be forcing business owners to provide goods and services that they don’t want to provide. And we shouldn’t be forcing consumers to buy goods and services they don’t want or need.
If you want to get a real look at how real communism works alongside capitalism, look up cooperative businesses, banks and insurance companies. If you want to see how real communism works, look up functioning communes.
There’s no point in taking our government back if we’re not also going to take control of the economy. Whichever one they control, they’ll beat us into submission with it.

[Levin]

I suppose realistically, it's clear to see which way the wind is blowing.

In the UK, the major supermarket chains, which essentially control all of the grocery market, appear to be engineering behaviour.

They're limiting the amount of self-service machines that accept cash. This is very insidious.

We saw how dystopian things got during covid, and how technology could be used to monitor and oppress.

Although incidentally the card machines went down yesterday as I was making my purchase. Fortunately, I always carry cash. My colleagues think I'm a dinosaur and a conspiracy theorist, but they are asleep.

[dustybiker2]

There is a local hamburger place that bends this rule by saying "exact cash only".

[Anonymous]

Of course, refusing cash payment is illegal. You can report the store

[BoopBoopBeep]

Not sure where you are. Courts in America have made it real clear that this is not the case.

[Opinion Owner]

@BoopBoopBeep I'm in Hong Kong, we never refuse cash payments,

[OddBeMe]

You’re suffering from stupidity and confirmation bias.
wise.com/gb/travel-money/hong-kong-currency#

[Opinion Owner]

This is because your country does not allow it. In my country, it is illegal to refuse cash. Please make sure before commenting, otherwise you will appear ignorant!

[OddBeMe]

Hong Kong? Doesn’t appear to be. You can try to prove your BS claim.

[Opinion Owner]

My country is China. You can Google it yourself.

[goaded]

There used to be rules. Stamps, for example, were (are?) legal tender, but a vendor didn't have to accept an unreasonable amount of change, for example £30 in pennies is not reasonable.

They should accept cash, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to insist that the customer pays at a till.

[Drewtate]

Absolutely. Saw a guy at a coffee shop do this. They threatened to call the cops but he had handed them cash and they refused to take it so it was on them. I see a lot of small buisnesses now will only take cash because card and digital transactions cost them too much.

[OddBeMe]

I would agree IF it’s not obviously known the dealer only takes certain currency like credit cards. Was there a sign?

[Drewtate]

There was a sign but he still paid them the full amount with a tip but they refused to accept payment in us dollars so legally they hadn't a leg to stand on.

[OddBeMe]

Shrug…business has a right. But if the coffee’s been drunk not a lot to do but accept cash and be an asshole.

[Drewtate]

Right to refuse service but served and wanted paid. After they found out he had no card to pay with they still wanted paid but were unwilling to accept cash and threatened to get him arrested. Anyway that place went under, companies get charged for using card.

[OddBeMe]

Yeah that’s a cost of doing business. But they can also legally trespass that asshole who refuses to pay credit cards in a digital world.

[Drewtate]

Nope. They didn't refuse service first. It's like if you pump gas and they won't accept cash, that's on them it's legal tender. They aren't unwilling to pay, you are unwilling to accept cash. Technically if someone wants to pay in pennies they should

[OddBeMe]

Nope, it’d be stealing. Gas stations are sometimes closed and still run pay at the pump. If you think leaving a twenty on ground will keep you out of jail you’re sadly mistaken

[Drewtate]

You put it on the counter. When you go to pay. This has actually happened to a few people and they got the police called on them but the gas stations hadn't a leg to stand on because they were unwilling to accept payment.

[OddBeMe]

Sure. Funnily enough a client just paid me $3k in cash. Old fart. Lol

[Drewtate]

Bet you didn't refuse it lol

[OddBeMe]

Nope! Thats captialism baby.

[SotiCoto]

The legality of the matter is a bit awkward since there are some people out there who would try to pay for everything in loose pennies, and it is generally agreed that doing that is a dick move... but as far as I'm aware, legal tender can't actually be refused as payment.

[OtterMan68]

it should be up to the store.

On the one hand, going cashless prevents robberies and employee theft from the till.

On the other hand, the business has to pay credit card fees for pass them on to the consumers.

Either way, it should be up to the business to decide and the customers to decide if they want to use that business.

[DrPepper12]

I don't like this no cash bs. Many biz and even govt places like transit n museums are card only!! I would like to remain anon before the face recognition software makes any remnant of privacy a quaint relic

[Dargil]

It should be illegal for businesses to take taxes out of pay amounts. When people realize how much the government is getting, they will begin voting Republican.

[Juxtapose]

It should be to prevent a stalker digital currency where the deep state will be able to monitor everything you do.

You guys want cash to exist? Fight for it.

[Paris13]

Dollar is Dying, Digital Swoon. xxoo

[OddBeMe]

Agreed

[DarkLegacy]

Yes it should be, it usually happens in the hospitality sector by young people discriminating against the elderly and disabled.

[AngryCarl]

It depends. Are COVID restrictions still in force? Under normal circumstances cash would be considered legal tender. That doesn't mean that they are obliged to serve you.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately for some, the powers that be have a hard on for electronic payments and are trying to eradicate cash. More control for them, especially when they enforce digital currency.

[KrakenAttackin]

I think it's foolish to not accept cash, but that is the choice if the business.

[Anonymous]

Cash Is Legal Tender For All Debts Public And Private…

[BoopBoopBeep]

And if there is no debt because I won't serve you, I'm still not required to take it. Courts have made this clear.

[Sevenpointfive]

post the video you wanker!