Does this constitute a due process violation or unjust punishment or both?

[msc545]

The US government will take away or not issue your passport if you owe more than $ 2,500 in child support, even though the US Constitution guarantees the right to travel and return to all citizens. This is almost exclusively enforced against men since child custody and support is almost exclusively awarded to women in divorces. What are your thoughts about this?

[CaptainObivous]

Both are true and not surprised it only effects men, because you know "male privilege". Could be worse, could be thrown in jail for not paying child support, oh wait, that already happens. This is just one of the reasons I don't support the modern feminist movement, they only support equality when it benefits them, and disregard men's issues screaming male privilege. There needs to be lawas passed that mandate DNA testing before child support is issued, and when it is issued, the child support isn't more than what the father can afford and is only used for the child and not the mother. On an episode of paternity court, a guy spent almost 5 years in jail for unpaid child support for a child that wasn't even his

[slatyb]

It doesn't only affect men. I had custody of my teenager and collected support from their mother.

[msc545]

@slatyb When Mom stops paying support, you will find out that it is not actually enforced against women.

[slatyb]

It was definitely enforced.

[msc545]

@slatyb She must have relly pissed someone off.

[slatyb]

Yes, our child.

[msc545]

Yeah you mean she really pissed you off. I can understand how that might happen.

[CaptainObivous]

@slatyb Her being forced to pay child is the minority of cases, like 1% minority.

[slatyb]

Your source for that data?

[Anonymous]

every time liberals tell me Republicans are misogynists who favor men over women, they can never list out what achievements they have done for men

last I checked, false rape accusations aren't criminalized, DNA tests aren't mandatory, fatherhood is still non-negotiable even if the man was raped or the kid isn't his, child custody isn't 50/50 and failure to pay child support can send you to jail

[msc545]

Yes, as it turns out all of the things you mention are still true. Pathetic.

[Opinion Owner]

neither side supports men and never will support men

these crazy liberal women screaming 4B really think that's supposed to convince men to join them

[Agape93]

Why are we surprised a criminal president with criminal flunkies is doing illegal shit

[msc545]

This has been around long prior to Trump.

[Agape93]

I wasn't referring to just trump

[dustybiker2]

I thought trump was all about 50/50?
He never remembers his own bs.

[CaptainObivous]

This type of BS has been happening before Trump was President. I thought feminist were all about equality?

[dustybiker2]

@CaptainObivous Labeling? lol
Shall we go into the deep discussion on what feminism started as? And how republicans planted ragers inside the group to disperse it... LONG ago. All that is left of feminism is what basement-dwellers, right-wing-leaning, momma-boys imagine they are. So keep dreaming.

[CaptainObivous]

Feminist movement started in the early 1900s for women to gain equal right to men such as the right to vote, and you can't blame Republicans on everything, with or with out them, the feminist movement still would have evolved in to what it is today. In short, feminist movement evolved from making women equal to men, to making women superior at the expense of men.

[dustybiker2]

@CaptainObivous Untrue.

[exitseven]

This does suck. When I was in the Air Force one of the things that they drilled into our heads is that it would be very bad for an Air Force officer to bounce a check or get behind on child support.

[Anonymous]

That is how stupid the United States Government is.

[msc545]

In this matter, it is very stupid. It acts like a collection agency for women. Not for men.

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing seems to favor men in today's society.

[msc545]

Truth.

[slatyb]

Pay your child support. If you are able and refuse, that's a crime.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't think foster parenting is such a good idea

[Anonymous]

It says to travel and return, not just travel somewhere to avoid paying

[msc545]

Should be "travel OR return" - that is not really the issue.

[Anonymous]

When you break the law, you forfeit certain constitutional rights.

[msc545]

You are still entitled to adjudication and due process.

[Opinion Owner]

And in that scenario you are still getting both.

[msc545]

No, you are not. Due process requires notice and a hearing, neither of which are ever provided. People find out via a letter of denial if and when they apply for a new passport or renewal of a prior one.

[DrPepper12]

I'm for it. Kids need an advocate, not a flight risk.

[msc545]

You are for what?

[DrPepper12]

Suspending a passport if you owe child support

[msc545]

Oh sure - paying child support really makes men "advocates" whatever that might be. We might pay child support more readily if we could see the child and if the money actually went to care for the child. None of that happens.

[DrPepper12]

No. The Fed govt as an advocate by intervening in deadbeats passport.

[msc545]

You really don't understand how this works. I've been calling the government. An advocate is really stretching reality.

[DrPepper12]

Teacher. I'm govt. I advocate for kids. Not a stretch at all

[msc545]

What you are really doing in this case is advocating for women taking money from men.

[dustybiker2]

People do need to separate their anger from their children.

[msc545]

Actually, what you're in favor of is continuing to transfer large sums of money from men to women based on the fact that women happen to have a child.

[dustybiker2]

Men created 50% of that child.

[msc545]

@dustybiker2 So did the women, so why does she get 100% of the money?

[dustybiker2]

I'm not saying she should.
This Q is about men trying to escape the country to avoid paying their fair share. And be certain. I only mean what is fair for the children.

[msc545]

@dustybiker2 That is not what it is about

[Kelley1]

Freedom doesn't exist in the USA.