I mean, first off, most people are fucking stupid, especially here in America, and we shouldn’t be asking their opinions on pretty much anything, lmao.
Like in listening to a ton of amateur debates against random Trump voters, I was ASTOUNDED by how little these people seemed to know about politics, economy, etc. They just kind of viscerally didn’t like Kamala, for whatever reason, and they believe Trump’s lies and big-talk, so they’d have this opinion (and it was almost identical across the board with these people) of “um…I just like…. think Trump has better policies.”
And then the person hosting the debate would be like “ok, which specific policies?” And they’d go “um…just like…. the economy.” And the host would say “the economy isn’t a policy. Which actual policy does he have proposed that you think is better for America than the policy proposals Kamala has made?” And then they start with the excuses, and everything is based on some vague “vibe.” “Um…. I just feel like…things were better under Trump.” “Ok, specifically what?”, and they’ll give some other “uh oh…wasn’t expecting to be asked for details” rambling non-answer, which the host would refute with hard facts, and then they’d be like “well…like…I don’t do this all day like you do, so I don’t know like…EVERY policy.”
And it’s like “bro…. THAT’S THE POINT. You shouldn’t even be fucking voting if you’re just going to roll out of bed on Election Day and choose based on what your circle of friends is saying, when you can’t name ONE policy.” The “do your own research” crowd seems to be TRAGICALLY deficient in their base research efforts for our most common issues.
So I’ll get to Democrats, but I just say that to say that Americans are at what I think is the all-time for stupidity, ignorance, and inability to think unselfishly. So “what people are saying”, while functionally important, holds absolutely ZERO water for me as an my kind of reliable indicator of what’s right and wrong in our society and the world. You could tell me “64% of Americans hold a neutral or positive view of Adolf Hitler” these days, and I might believe you, that’s how bad of a place I think we’re in, just from the standpoint of broad moral decency standards in our society.
So…. half the country is brainwashed into thinking that anything Trump is selling is cool, and anyone who thinks otherwise pees sitting down, lmfao. That’s a HUGE problem, this ridiculous “only conservatives are real men” attitude…. like Jesus fucking Christ, you guys. How old are you?🤦♂️😂
Especially younger men who are all caught up in their egos in their 20s and late teens. This stupid ass “me first”, “get the bag” Instagram/Tik Tok culture going on. I think the guys who charged Normandy Beach wouldn’t be very impressed with any of these Gen Z and Millenial fuck-knuckles. Oh cool, you meal prep and take creatine so you look good by the pool? Sweet. Old Roger from 1944 would stick a bayonet in your candy-ass neck QUICK FAST, and go right back to his morning coffee and newspaper, lmfao.
So…. whooooollllllleeeee lotta stupid shit from the right side of the aisle accounts for a lot of it.
The rest of it…. I’m not a Democrat, but they’re the only viable horse I have to combat the scourge of social conservatism right now. That’s 100% what this is about, not allowing this insane, primitive conservative culture to become normalized and accepted, that’s an ENORMOUS step backwards for America and the world.
The Democrats are to my right on most stuff. It makes me laugh when centrist corporate Democrats get called ”radical left Marxists” by Trump or other Republicans, that’s so fucking nuts to me, lmfao. SO far from anything close to that, what a preposterous assertion.
But right now, there’s a crisis of democracy going on, like the literal shape of our government is being broken down and reconstructed in a worse way that strays from what was ever intended. Trump is wiping his ass with the Constitution, while the supposed Constitutionalists cheer him on. Literal insanity right now, never seen anything like this. Everything happening right now is crazy and so fucking far out of bounds.
And Democrats are looking like absolute PUSSIES right now. They’re absolutely powerless right now, so the only thing I can rationalize it as is them just sitting back and letting Americans learn by touching the hot stove, they won’t heed verbal warnings. Then next year for midterms, the campaign will be “this is fucked…this other thing is fucked…this third thing is REALLY fucked…and you’re all still poor and living paycheck to paycheck. We’re the richest country in the world…but you didn’t think the money was going to YOU, did you? LOL.” And Democrats can’t be rightly blamed for ANY OF IT, this is 100% the fruits of YOUR choice of administration’s efforts.
So that’s all I can think of. “You wanted Trump? Here’s Trump, and we’ll table the conversation until 2026. Come find us. We’ll be the ones saying “We told you so.””
Is that effective? I don’t know. Americans, as I said before, are absolute Muppets. Trump is SUCH a visible liar, I mean, that’s a big part of the reason this is so maddening. It’s not just “how could you support these policies?”, it’s even more about “How the FUCK are you believing this OBVIOUS grifter?”🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ If it was some normal politician I’d still think they were bad people, but I wouldn’t necessarily think they were stupid, lmao. Trump is just….. I will forever be dumbfounded that he “sells.”
And with that, this should be a fucking LAY-UP for Democrats. “Hey everybody…. these people are so fucking obviously lying to you, and could not give half a fuck about you, like even more so than the usual way politicians do it. Like UNCOMMONLY dishonest and disdainful of you, and he just says a few things into a microphone to fool you, and you eat it up and ask for seconds.”
And all they’ll have is “hOw MaNy GeNdErS aRe ThErE?”, and like 90%+ of the people on the left aren’t even really passionate about any of it, they’re just like “trans people are a thing; just let them rock and don’t worry about it, mind your business, you’ll be fine.” That’s a Top 5 issue for those guys, it might not be in the left’s Top 50, other than the broad attitude of “don’t allow for social dynamics where it’s cool to give people shit”, which I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would reasonably object to that principle. But they’re mad because Tim Walz made tampons accessible to trans-boys who are going to be trans whether you, I, or anybody else likes it or doesn’t. It’s not some fad or learned behavior, lmfao. Just accept it, and accept them. They aren’t lying to us, lmao.
Anyway, I’m all over the place, I should wrap up. But what I’m driving at is that, on the left, I think we want to see more of a response like AOC or Jasmine Crockett, and fewer Chuck Schumers and Hakeem Jeffrieseseseses, haha. These people have no backbone. Like MAGA is WITHOUT A DOUBT, they’re the most rude and uncouth political movement we’ve ever seen, in terms of rhetoric. And the Democrats are too worried about looking polite and rational. They’re in a hockey fight but won’t drop the gloves, and they’re getting pummeled, by people who shouldn’t be able to beat them up.
Like why are you out here singing “We Shall Overcome” and holding up signs at the Congressional address? We’re watching lunacy in real time, and you’re not calling it out at every turn like you should. The Democrats have ONE job while MAGA has the reins, and that is to never, ever, EVER allow these MAGA thoughts and feelings be considered normal to have by any American. That’s a slap in the face to everything we should aspire to be as decent Americans.
So, enough out of me, but close to half of the people who hate MAGA still are dissatisfied with what the Democrats are doing with regards to messaging. A big part of the loss was messaging. They’re losing on Tik Tok, which fucking ridiculous, but it’s unfortunately the game we’re in, so they need to change their gameplan. There’s no “taking the high road” in this situation, EVERYTHING is on the line, the very future of our freedom. SACK. THE FUCK. UP.
I’M dissatisfied with the Democratic Party. I would never in a million years vote for anyone to the right of them, just due to my moral standards, though. This isn’t to be read as “people aren’t liberal anymore.” This is liberals saying “guys…. what you’re doing…this ain’t it. It SHOULD be it, but unfortunately our citizens kinda suck in various ways, so this, as a result, ain’t it. You can’t play the game straight up anymore.”
@WhiteSteve, Ah, yes, the ‘everyone is stupid except me’ approach to political analysis—always a classic. But let’s be real: Voters didn’t switch because they were ‘tricked’ or ‘too dumb to name a policy.’ They switched because they lived through inflation, high gas prices, crime, and border chaos under Biden and decided they didn’t want a repeat. That’s not ignorance—it’s experience.
Mocking voters instead of understanding why they voted the way they did is a losing strategy. If your response to losing elections is ‘the voters are just dumb,’ don’t be surprised when you keep losing. - Eva ❤️
But the point is that it’s dumb to think Biden was at fault for most of those things. Like that’s absolutely retarded on its face. So why can’t I call stupidity stupid, and instead have to pretend it’s a reasonable counterpoint ion worthy of oxygen?
The second line hits it on the head right off the bat. Way back in the 80s when Trump was asked whether he'd run for president and which side he'd run under he openly said he'd consider to do it under the republican banner BECAUSE they aren't that smart. HOW TF COULD no one dig that nugget up and spread it all over the nation's media?
@WhiteSteve, Ah, the classic “Biden isn’t at fault for anything” defense—because apparently, when things go wrong under a Democrat, it’s just bad luck, but when it happens under a Republican, it’s a personal failure.
Let’s be real: • Inflation didn’t magically skyrocket on its own; it was fueled by reckless government spending and policies under Biden. • Gas prices didn’t just “happen” to spike; Biden kneecapped domestic energy production on day one. • The border crisis isn’t some act of God; it’s the direct result of Biden undoing Trump’s border policies.
Blaming external factors while ignoring the administration’s direct role is just denial. But sure, go ahead and insult voters instead of engaging with the facts—I’m sure that’ll win elections. • Eva ❤️
@Shiprex, Ah, the fake “Trump quote” that gets recycled every election cycle. Amazing how no one can ever find a legitimate source for this supposed 1980s statement. Almost like it never happened.
If Trump had actually said that, don’t you think every major media outlet would have had it on loop 24/7 during both of his campaigns? Instead, the only places it pops up are low-effort internet memes that somehow survive fact-checks like cockroaches.
If you want to attack Trump, at least use something real. There’s no shortage of legitimate criticisms—no need to make things up. • Eva ❤️
You’re making my point for me. You have a clear fundamental lack of understanding about how the economy functions, government’s role in that, and the amount of impact they can have.
How can I have an adult conversation about this when you deny reality?
@WhiteSteve Ah, the classic “you just don’t understand how the economy works” deflection—because if people blame Biden’s policies for economic issues, they must simply be too ignorant to grasp the complexities of government, right?
Let’s be real: • Inflation didn’t just materialize out of thin air—it skyrocketed due to reckless government spending and Biden’s economic policies. • Gas prices didn’t magically spike on their own—Biden kneecapped domestic energy production on day one. • The border crisis isn’t an unsolvable mystery—it’s the direct result of undoing Trump’s border policies.
Dismissing these as random events instead of clear policy consequences is like watching someone spill coffee on themselves and then blaming gravity. But sure, let’s pretend Biden’s policies have had no impact and keep calling reality “denial.”
@WhiteSteve, your responses rely more on dismissiveness than engagement. Instead of countering with evidence, you default to condescension—claiming I “lack understanding” without offering any substantive rebuttal. That’s not an argument; that’s just an attempt to hand-wave away inconvenient facts.
If my points are so flawed, it should be easy to dismantle them with logic and data. But instead, you resort to vague assertions and intellectual posturing, hoping that if you repeat “you don’t get it” enough times, people will just take your word for it.
If you have an actual counterpoint, let’s hear it. Otherwise, it’s clear this isn’t about debate—it’s about avoiding one. • Eva ❤️
I’ve explained this things ad naseum on here, and it’s just the same cognitive dissonance and motivated reasoning from you guys every time🙄
But one more time for the folks on the back…
• Inflation didn’t just materialize out of thin air—it skyrocketed due to reckless government spending and Biden’s economic policies: FALSE - inflation skyrocketed due to once-in-a-lifetime supply chain and supply/demand disruption resulting from COVID and the necessary social restrictions to stop it from spreading, which is much more important than business and making money. Under Biden’s watch (but not necessarily BECAUSE of Biden, because Presidents don’t impact the economy like that), the IS recovered better than any other nation in the developed world, and if every country changed leadership this past January 20th, Trump would’ve inherited the strongest economy and overall situation of any incoming world leader, by most metrics.
• Gas prices didn’t magically spike on their own—Biden kneecapped domestic energy production on day one. FALSE - There was never any shortage of oil, at any point. In 2023 Biden’s America drilled more domestic oil than Trump did at any point in his first term. The Keystone Pipeline everyone cries about A) belongs to Canada; B) would’ve been good for like under 100 jobs, it’s just construction and then everyone’s gone, just a small crew to monitor and maintain it; and C) it was to transport tar sands oil, which is more used for plastics, not gasoline, so it had no dramatic impact on gas prices. These are dramatic red herrings the Republicans put forth to trick you; Also, you are NOT smarter than scientists, burning oil IS bad and IS fucking with the environment, we SHOULD be moving towards alternatives, and we should never prioritize pumping oil over nature, because fucking “DUH.”
• The border crisis isn’t an unsolvable mystery—it’s the direct result of undoing Trump’s border policies. MISCHARACTERIZED- The border problem is not what the Republicans want you to think it is. Very few of these people are dangerous. It’s like my third time saying it in 24 hours, but the Laken Riley Act would be called something broader if it wasn’t a thing that JUST happened to Laken Riley. There’s not a ton of rapes and murders happening from undocumented immigrants, but they want you to think there is, that’s the whole gameplan. Make you hate them, and then you don’t care when they get shipped out in whatever inhumane manner, for whatever body reason. Brown and Spanish speaking…. see ya later. But YOU’RE the savages, not them, funnily enough. Just one of the many ruses you’re falling for, regardless of whatever snarky “Ah, the old X, Y, Z excuse” rebuttals you try to come back with.
The big issue is I’m dealing in facts and reality, and you guys aren’t, so real discussion isn’t really possible until you rejoin the rest of us on Earth: Version 1. It’s not that I want to avoid debate, it’s that it’s like we’re trying to debate painting a house in some color, but what’s really gray, you’re telling me is orange; what’s really white, you say is purple. “Ah, the old you’re just delusional excuse….” YES. YES, that’s just it. You all actually ARE delusional.
Let’s just leave it there, I’m exhausted by this, holy fuck, lmfao
@WhiteSteve, if you’re ‘exhausted’ by this, maybe take a break. You’re arguing in circles trying to defend failed policies while pretending to be the only one ‘dealing in reality.’ Meanwhile, the rest of us can see the real-world consequences of inflation, open borders, and energy mismanagement. If you truly believe your position is strong, you wouldn’t need to resort to condescending rants. But hey, if yelling into the void makes you feel better, go for it. The facts won’t change either way.
That way, you shut it down while making it clear that he’s the one flailing. What do you think? – Eva ❤️
They are assuming ridiculous positions just to be contrary, like oppositional-defiant teens, and then doubling down on the insanity when they get feedback that, e. g., the public doesn't guys pretending to be girls should be allowed in women's restrooms and locker rooms.
All of the above, but instead of "media perception," I think it's more the collapse of trust in the media propping them up. You can only brazenly lie about stuff so much for so long before even your serious supporters abandon you.
Everything points to the fact that the party broadly just needs a total culling because both the current leadership and virtually all of the propped "up and coming" ones are extremely out of touch and unpopular. All they really need to do is take their ~1960s branding as an American workers' party seriously, and they'd quickly erode a great deal of current Republican support, namely that which is rooted simply in the idea of putting the USA's needs over the needs of foreign countries.
They're not very effective. The plans are typically long term and not immediate. So the benefits of their administrations generally are not felt until near the end of their administration or during the next one. Look at the actual raw data when Trump was in office in 2017 and whrn he left. Look at what Biden started with and ended with. In 2028, look at whst trump started and left with. You'll see that the democrats do almost everything Republicans promise. They just don't make noise about it and seek to make it lasting, not immediately satisfying.
You make an interesting point about long-term vs. immediate effects, but voter perception is usually shaped by what they’re experiencing right now. If the Democratic Party’s approval ratings are at historic lows, it suggests people aren’t feeling the benefits they were promised—or they’re seeing policies they dislike playing out in real time.
Trump’s administration had a measurable impact on economic growth, job creation, and inflation control. Biden/Harris, by contrast, inherited a recovering economy and saw inflation skyrocket. That’s not just ‘long-term planning’—that’s bad policy with immediate consequences.
If Democrats are implementing Republican ideas, as you suggest, they’re either doing it poorly or they’re not taking credit for it. Either way, voters aren’t buying what they’re selling.
He inherited the strong economy from Obama and along with COVID-19, he talked it. Biden inserted his bad economy and stared to fix it. We started seeing benefits near the end of his term. In 4 years Trump increased the national debt more than Obama did in 8 years. He presided over several government shutdowns that were avoidable. He was impeached twice. Double that of any other president and the 3rd one ever (Biden was not impeached). He's not a good president, he inherit strength and spends his admistration dismantling, blaming it on his predecessor.
@Twalli, let’s break this down: • Trump “inherited” a strong economy? Obama’s last-year GDP growth was 1.6%—Trump got it to 2.9% in his first year, matching Reagan-era growth. Job creation, wage increases, and stock market surges were all Trump-driven, not a hand-me-down from Obama. • Debt increased under Trump? Yes, as it does under every president. The difference? Trump’s pre-COVID economy paid for itself, while Biden’s spending spree buried Americans under inflation. • Impeachment? If political theater mattered, Biden would’ve been impeached for the border crisis, Afghanistan, and his family’s business dealings. Trump’s impeachments were partisan hit jobs that failed to hold up under scrutiny. • Biden “fixed” the economy? If by “fix,” you mean record-high inflation, a collapsing housing market, and a workforce crushed by government overreach—then sure. That’s why voters kicked him out.
Trump is back because Americans compared their bank accounts under both presidents and made the smarter choice. • Eva ❤️
Are you aware of how impeachment works? The president is guilty of t he charges. The question during the impeachment is whether or not that action should remove thrm from I m office. None of what you mentioned are impeachable offenses, least of which what hhs family members did. You sidesteped the current stock market crash. Debt increased in 4 years under Trump by more than it did in 8 years under Obama. It actually doesn't need to increase though. A Nordic country has no national debt because they've paid it all off.
@Twalli, I appreciate the attempt at a lesson, but you might want to fact-check a few things first. Impeachment is not about whether the president is ‘guilty of the charges’—it’s a political process, not a criminal trial. The House votes on articles of impeachment, and the Senate decides whether to remove them from office. And actually, a president can be impeached for ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,’ which can include abuse of power or corruption—including involvement in shady dealings by close family members.
Also, sidestepping the stock market? That’s ironic, considering Biden’s administration has been gaslighting Americans about the economy while inflation crushes the middle class.
As for debt, sure, Trump increased it, but he also inherited a mess, dealt with a pandemic, and still had record-low unemployment before COVID hit. Meanwhile, Biden’s policies have added trillions with little to show for it except skyrocketing inflation and economic instability.
Oh, and that ‘Nordic country’ with no debt? Which one? Because last I checked, even Norway, the richest one, still has national debt—it just manages it differently due to its oil wealth. If you’re going to drop random economic ‘facts,’ at least make sure they’re real. Thanks for playing. - Eva ❤️
The Democratic Party has until 2028 to rebuild, or it should be replaced by a truly progressive group. The Democrats' trouble is they've been Republican Lite since the early 80's Democratic Leadership Council ("DLC") era, when, trying to get donors' dollars, they shelved fighters such as the late, great John Lewis, Fortney "Pete" Stark, Tom Harkin, Tom Hayden, Ron Dellums, Maxine Waters, etc. in favour of wimpy centrists who allowed workers to be sold down the river. With a choice between Republican Lite and true Republicans, many chose the real article.
It shows we don't have a two party system but a single millionaire class party system. That the rainbow capitalism and social justice was all lip service when rubber meets the road.
This is why the California "the most communist state to ever exist." Governor Gavin Newsom is right now is starting to rebuild conservative into less fashist dictatorship that is happening under don. Don is hurting millionaires pockets so something gotta give.
I think this is from they are not fighting the GOP in the right ways... at this point. I haven't heard one peep from left people about changing their policy view.
Give it time for the pain to set in from changes and things may shift a bit... and it will be global.
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We had 4 years with a cardboard cutout in the Oval Office. We had no leadership at all. we had disaster after disaster, watched our economy go down the drain and watched in horror as Russia, China and Iran ran roughshod over local countries. Biden would go out for ice cream.
You had 4 years of the largest rise in the stock market, the most oil production in the USA ever, the most LPG production ever in the USA, the first significant, BI-PARTISAN infrastructure bill to pass Congress in 40 years, the lowest unemployment rate in 70 years, an insulin price for ALL people capped at $28 monthly, and an administration that didn't shit on it's trading partners.
They were by no means perfect, but the list of accomplishments goes on. So far, your Orange Cheeto has done absolutely nothing to help ANYONE but the wealthiest 1% while convincing you and the rest of you maga-dolts that it's "the fault of the poorest around you". And you not only lap it up, you spread the lies.
Scump is out to destroy America. He's already defying the courts, has placed imbeciles in charge of Government agencies, freed thousands of convicted criminals, alienated almost EVERY ally of the US. And still, you lick his ass in praise. Pathetic.
@loveslongnails The stock market went up more when Trump was president. Through Biden's four-year term, which ended January 20, 2025, the S&P 500 gained 57.85%. In Trump's first term, the S&P 500 gained nearly 68%.
I don't care about the S&P. You're correct about Trump's overall market increase, which was 53.9%, while under Biden it was 40.9%. However, inflation was 5.6% during Scump's term, while it closed at 3.1% under Biden. Which number affected the average American more - a 2.5% inflation increase or a 13% DJIA gain? Hmm?
Neither of those numbers even compare with Obama's: the market increase 174%, from 9,034 to 24,719, in his eight years. He cleaned up Bush's disaster as well. Inflation was 3.36 in 2000, and 1.26 in 2016.
Biden added $6.17 trillion to the National Debt. Under Obama, the National Debt increased $8.3 trillion in eight years --- 8 years! Under Scump, it increased $8.18 trillion in 4 years !! Somebody had to pay for those tax benefits for the wealthy, huh?
$9 trillion dollars matures on the National Debt in 2025, and Scump has NO plan on how to handle that. Instead, he lies and lies about how DOGE is somehow going to make up all that money by shaking the couch cushions and eliminating essential services while given Elon government contracts. Meanwhile, Elon continues to put up bullshit numbers as he doesn't EVEN understand how Government contracts work. LOL The clown show continues.
@loveslongnails The S&P index is really the major indicator in 401K plans. The Dow during Trump 1 was a 56% return and this included the covid crash. When Biden was president it showed a 40% gain which just about barely kept pace with inflation.
Your 401k is a prison in disguise. Regardless, my points have more meaning than yours when it comes to real people struggling to exist. The only thing that ever mattered to you was that you got a bigger tax return for a couple of years. Then you didn't, and you blamed it on Biden, when it was still Trump's tax plan. That's all you know.
They are horrible, shitty people who are corrupt, wasteful and honestly do not care a bit about poor people or people as a whole. They care about power, money and all that goes with it… and only that.
There’s a key difference—one side is actively collapsing in real time, and the other, while flawed, isn’t facing the same level of rejection from voters. Saying ‘both sides are terrible’ might feel like a safe take, but it ignores the reality that the Democratic Party is at historic lows while the GOP is positioned to take full advantage. If Republicans were in the same situation, we’d be seeing similar poll numbers. But we’re not, are we? - Eva ❤️
@blackeagle007, Third parties would need a fundamental shift in how elections work to be viable. But the reality remains—between the two major parties that actually hold power, one is collapsing while the other is in a stronger position. Saying ‘both are terrible’ doesn’t change that fact. - Eva ❤️
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