Are African countries right to ask France to leave and accuse it of "colonialism"?

[Julie4]

[lightbulb27]

don't know but what I've seen when they leave it becomes a disaster. and then so many turn around and invade France because they don't like their country/culture. Maybe those are the ones that watned France to stay. If it shifts hard to the Muslim side, can't blame them.

[Julie4]

Yes, they're the ones who asked us to come and fight terrorism and help stabilize the region.

[RavVid]

The bad guy in the room is the industrial revolution (incl agriculture as well as machines), modern financial systems, and mercantilism. The impact is labeled colonialism but there was no possibility that these changes were never going to happen.

If these African countries are doing relatively badly from these innovations, it is more due to unsuccessful adaptation than a malevolent France.

[Julie4]

What I don't understand is that they are the ones who asked us to come back to Africa, in particular to help them fight terrorism, help stabilize the region and so on.

Today, their presidents act as if they hadn't asked us for anything.

[RavVid]

That seems an unreasonable attitude. Please come and help us... oh you did, get out get out.

I was only vaguely aware of that and just in that some part of French forces were structured/equipped as an expeditionary forces No more knowledge than that throw away line - if indeed it is correct.

(Also vaguely thought conflict in Africa tended to be along tribal divisions and all the more vicious for that).

I'd be pissed off with that attitude.

[Julie4]

Yes it's not a very fair attitude, but my Russia and China exert an important influence now in these African countries. So I guess they use propaganda against France.

[RavVid]

That was also in my mind but I am not really up with the geopol in that area. Prygozhin and Wagner were pretty involved and took a cut of mine production in various places didn't they?

It is probably a lot simpler than propaganda and more a matter of disbursements. A dollar for you and a dollar for me and 50 cents for the creative accountant. Something like that.

[RageBabe]

Of course they are. Although colonialism officially ended decades ago, its effects are still felt in Francophone African countries in the form of colonial tax — a system where former French colonies pay money to France. These payments, created during colonial times, continue through agreements made at independence.

[RageBabe]

Rest In Peace, Patrice Lumumba.

[Julie4]

😂🤡

[RageBabe]

France knows if it loses its colonies, it’ll turn into another “s-hole” country. That’s why they’re trying everything they can to maintain relations in any way, whether by teaching French or through violence and force.

[Julie4]

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Africa is insignificant for our economic interests.

They don't even account for 5% of our foreign trade.

[RageBabe]

I'll keep this short: no, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[QuestionObsession]

@Julie4 perhaps you should go back to school or research how much France stole from African countries and depends on taxes from its former colonies.

[Julie4]

@QuestionObsession

The good thing about idiots like you is that you never hesitate to show off your stupidity.

Continue to propagate the propaganda speeches of Africans or decolonials as much as you like, it doesn't make it real.

They represent nothing for our economic interests, and their natural resources can be found elsewhere, as we've been doing for some time now with certain Asian countries.

What's more, France was richer than African countries before colonization, and still is after decolonization.

And don't forget that some African countries left the CFA franc, and sent French troops packing.

[QuestionObsession]

@Julie4 France is a piece of shit country that exists because of African immigrants. Even the sports in France does well because of African sportsman living there. You keep harping that they called France back to fight terrorism. The terrorism funded by the US and NATO countries including France.

France is looking elsewhere in Asia because France does not have anything of their own to survive. It lives on post colonial taxation of African countries. 80% of their GDP is taken by France like a whore.

[RageBabe]

@QuestionObsession In Haiti, for example, France forced Haitians to pay millions of gold francs in reparations over decades. I'm sure this person will give some ridiculous justification like, "We gave Haitians freedom, so they had to pay us." It is tedious to go back and forth with this person; they are completely uninformed.

[RageBabe]

@QuestionObsession To be clear, I know Haiti isn't in Africa, but I wanted to provide an example.

[QuestionObsession]

@RageBabe Oh they are not misinformed. They are just privileged and entitled because of their race. Haiti is one example. Another is the islands that France conducted their fucking nuclear tests on, all indigenous people who are suffering from the radiation even after so many years. Why didn't France do the tests on the mainland in Europe? Fucking colonial oppressors. And no compensation was given to the indigenous people who suffer from radiation illnesses. I forget the name of those islands. Colonialism was sick and fucking evil and they still won't admit it.

[Julie4]

Who deleted my answer? Anyway, everyone with a little historical knowledge knows what happened with Haiti, of course it was a horrible act. But, Einstein, what does this have to do with the current situation? Don't make up facts about what's happening today with Africa, which have already been contradicted by several newspapers and others.

As for the French nuclear trials, they took place on two islands that were uninhabited, while Europe was populated. Nevertheless, these tests had unfortunate consequences for the neighboring populations, and unfortunaly it's difficult to make reparations for them.

As for colonization, it is of course a horrible act, just like slavery, but African countries have also practiced it in the course of their history, as have the Muslim and Asian empires.

If you want I can talk to you about the history of the Emperor of Mali or the Serers who colonized the Wolofs and Mandingos.

[RageBabe]

@QuestionObsession I agree.

[QuestionObsession]

Nobody deleted your stupid answers.

What does that have to do with the current situation? Everything! Haiti, Africa, Polynesian French colonies, everything have one thing in common - French neo-colonialism. African countries are finally able to kick France out of their land in favour of other "friends".

Newspapers are state controlled outlets who mostly publish lies to stay in business.

Two islands that were uninhabited? 😂 That's the typical white racist colonial answer to all foreign colonies they invaded - "Oh nobody lived there, the land was uninhabited and we 'discovered' it" 😂

That's what British said about America and the Natives there, about Australia and the Natives there, about New Zealand and the Natives there. That's what France said about Canada and the Natives there too.

If you aren't an idiot, just search for the nuclear tests damages done to people in Algeria and French Polynesia. There were people living there and the radioactice effect radius of any nuclear test is several kilometres wide.

It is unfortunately difficult to make reparations for them, why? It was not difficult to take gold from Haiti as reparation.

African countries and Asian countries practiced slavery too yes. But it is Europe who are still practising economic slavery in today's world, stealing resources from poor countries which are rich in minerals and natural resources.

Mansa Musa of Mali was a noble king who gave away gold to people. Colonising is not evil if the population is treated well and allowed to live as free citizens. Example is the Ottoman Empire. But colonising and oppressing the population is evil and that is what European colonisers have done.

If you want, let's chat in private 😎

[QuestionObsession]

@RageBabe I did not know about Haiti, thanks for sharing that 👍🏻

[Julie4]

Yes the Qing empire did good to the conquered population, they practically exterminated the dzungars entirely. so did the Ottomans ( ask the greeks, armenians etc what they think ) , the persians and the mongols too 😂 in fact you're a pro colonialist who approves of massacres as long as they're not committed by europeans.

Ask the Wolofs in Africa if they appreciated the colonization by the Sereres etc. Your assertions are therefore not serious.

The islands where the nuclear tests were carried out had no population, but the people not far from these islands have had consequences, but as I said it is unfortunately difficult for them to have their rights recognized by the French government.

And if Africa were really vital to French national interests, we'd never have left. We'd simply have prevented these current presidents, who are calling for France to leave, from coming to power.

[QuestionObsession]

@Julie4 Ok you win the colonization argument because my history is sketchy. Yes China oppressed many tribes, Uyghur people are the present day victims of oppression. Japan was horrible too to the Chinese.

But the point is, France exercises economic slavery over African countries and keeps them poor.

Why is it difficult for the Polynesian people to have their rights recognised by the French government? Because the French government inherently still operates as a coloniser and exercises racial discrimination. If they were white French citizens, the reparation and compensation would have flowed out easily.

Ahh, you would have "simply prevented" the presidents from coming to power! That statement right there asserts your racist colonial mentality that has not gone away even now. For France to think that they have any right to decide what happens in another sovereign democratic country, what is that if not everything evil about being a former European coloniser?

My point has been made very clear with your own statement 😆👍🏻

[Julie4]

The French overseas territories are, by definition, French. If they had wanted independence, they could have obtained it—just like the Comoros and other countries did.

But they chose to remain French (even though many French people want to separate from these islands, which, for some, are more French than Nice or other regions of France, for example).

As for racial discrimination—yes, unfortunately, that still exists. But such behavior is already punishable by law, and if we look at history and compare it to the United States, for example, the U. S. really has no lesson to give on the matter, etc.

Regarding my argument about African presidents, it mostly proves that these countries are insignificant in terms of our national interests. As I said, if they truly mattered, things would be handled very differently.

[QuestionObsession]

Every foreign land ever colonized by colonisers, had their own fully functional societies, ecosystem, trade and commerce, education etc...

Until the colonisers went and fucked it all up and forced their system of governance on them.

So, to say that French colonies were given the choice to have their independence but they don't want it, is absolute bullshit because their society systems were disturbed and destroyed by French occupation. And new systems of the colonial world were forced on them which they could not adopt fully and became dependent on the occupier. So France has no right to say that they were given a choice for their independence and they didn't take it. Because they were doing fine before their societies were destroyed and they were made dependant.

USA is a shit country of European settler colonisers too. I am not from the USA.

You statement has the same superior racist undertone - If we really wanted to, we could handle it differently?

That is exactly what the USA has been doing all over the middle East, interfering and imposing it's imperial hegemony, overthrowing governments of other countries and destroying their economies in the name of democracy. Which is all absolute lies.

To even think that you could interfere in another country's domestic affairs, is a colonial mentality.

[Julie4]

It’s clear that you don’t know the reality of these societies before colonization. In fact, your lack of historical knowledge on the subject is obvious.

Would you like me to tell you the history of the Comoros and other countries before colonization? You’d learn that these societies were far from pacifist, and that often, on these islands, even before the arrival of France, there were already peoples who themselves acted as colonizers of that same island and others.

On the topic of decolonization, your argument is somewhat shaky. Several countries did gain their independence. The Comoros is just one example among many, and France even organized votes in some of its overseas territories, and as a result of those votes, they obtained their independence.

As for your opinion on present-day Africa, you’re being sentimental. Sorry to break it to you, but international relations are not about good or evil—they’re about interests. I assure you, if France had really wanted to, it could have installed pro-French presidents in those African countries.

Just look at what the U. S. did by installing Somoza and others.

But African countries simply don’t represent much strategic interest.

Let me quote Victor Davis Hanson (paraphrasing Thucydides):

"Power, not justice, is always the final arbiter in relations between states; self-interest, not morality, is what guides and must guide the behavior of nations. Appeals to pity or hope for reprieve are misguided—they are not rooted in logic or in a realistic understanding of human behavior."

[QuestionObsession]

I don't need to know history like a parrot. One only needs but understand the fundamentals, the patterns which apply to any colonisation in history - stealing of land and natural resources, including human resources.

Colonisation and annexation within continents has happened all over the world throughout history. But where European colonisers are far apart from anyone else is, the fact that even in 2025, EU is desperate to exert influence on countries that are not 'white'. Even in 2025, European colonisers still benefit and profit from their past colonial exploits in other continents. And only now is a country like China able to push the EU influence out of Africa and other countries that EU historically exercised control over.

You cannot say that you are willing to give them independence and they do not want it, after having enslaved them and made them dependent on a colonial system for decades. You don't destroy or take over a neighbour's house, make them slaves and then one day wake up and tell them that they can have their house back. You have robbed them of decades of self management and changed their evolution path forever. I am sure you don't see how stupid that sounds.

Spoken like a true racist colonial capitalist person -- International relations are not about good or evil but about interests. You are reeking of a deeply engrained colonial mentality in every word you type. I told you last time that even to think that you could interfere with another country's government is the very trademark of an imperial hegemonic foreign policy of any government, which the USA explicitly shows and abuses. So you speaking in favour of France is no different from the same exploitative and insidious mentality.

[QuestionObsession]

Africa is the richest continent on the planet with natural resources and minerals that the western countries have been mining and living off of the profits from. You don't know your history if you are clueless and dumb about how rich the continent of Africa is. The coffee you drink every day comes from Africa, just a very small example. Most of the most expensive diamonds the west hoards, come from Africa.

I had never heard of this Victor Davis Hanson before, so I had to look him up and lo and behold, what a fucking racist pig you picked. I am not surprised at all. This guy supported George W Bush and his war of lies in Iraq, he even supports Trump. LOL

If you found this guy as your influence and to use one of his quotes, then it proves what I have been saying all along about you - a racist supremacist and colonial sympathiser.

I will give you a better recommendation - Noam Chomsky. Check him out, maybe you will be healed of your racism by him. :-)

[Julie4]

The problem is that you are seriously lacking in history, you don't know the history of the Serer, Wolof etc. of Africa, and as a result you talk and say things that don't hold water.

As I told you, your opinion on decolonization doesn't hold water, given the many territories that have gained their independence and succeeded in developing. If the EU had done what you say, these countries simply wouldn't have been able to develop.

And once again, when Europeans arrived on the territories they conquered, they conquered peoples who were not the original inhabitants and who had conquered these territories themselves, destroying the societies that existed before them

As for your references to China etc., we don't need to take any lessons from these countries, especially when we know their histories

Europeans were already rich before colonization. It wasn't colonization that made Europe rich. And if African societies were richer than Europeans, more developed, etc., Europeans would never have succeeded in colonizing them. It's just basic logic

DAVIS Honson is right when he says this. This is the reality of international relations. The strongest impose their laws on the weakest. Read the Melien dialogue.

Have the courage to say what country you're from

[QuestionObsession]

I repeat myself - I don't need to know all of history, to understand what colonialism is. You keep repeating Serer and Wolof as if they are the only 2 places where colonialism and oppression happened. Also most of history is written by white people and is highly fabricated to suit the white supremacy goals. So the chances are very high that whatever history you have read, is not the whole truth.

The countries which have become independent and developed, are ones that were allowed because of whatever deal was signe with them. For example, Saudi Arabia enjoys the good treatment by the west because the first sheikh was promised a statehood by the British in return for their support to defeat the Ottoman empire. They were promised that their Mecca would be made the holiest place for Muslims, taking the title away from Turkey as the leader of the Arab world. Furthermore, the first sheikh of Saudi signed a deal with the US for permanent military support and protection from the US in exchange for their oil. That is how Saudi Arabia was established.

That is just one example of why some colonies were given independence and why they became self sufficient. Saudi is not such a good example because it was not a European colony, but the fact that such deals were made is common practice with former occupation colonies. With exceptions like India which was a British colony.

Europeans are outsiders to the continent of Africa. So no matter how many colonisations happened within the Afrian population, it is still internal within the same continent. Same as how Austria Hungary were under one ruler once and it was internal. Nobody from another continent came to invade the Austro-Hungarian empire.

China is special because it is becoming more dominant than EU in most of Africa and even EU - Hungary and Serbia want to do business with China.

[QuestionObsession]

Europeans were not always rich. The richest country of all time was ancient India. In the 1000 centure, India alone was worth more than 30% of the world GDP. Entire continent of Europe was only 10%, that is how poor Europe was. After India was China the second richest country of all time. India had so much wealth and gold that UK became rich stealing from India for 200 years. Europe was nothing before.

The basic logic is that, Europeans were hunter gatherers, they were primitive and barbaric. They learned civilisation from Arabs and Indians and Chinese, which were way more advanced civilisations with art and literature, science and medicine, mathematics and poetry. Europeans did not know anything, they only knew to kill, pillage, steal and conquer like wild animals.

You are again naming Davis Honson, I already looked him up and can see why he is your influence, he is a racist pig himself. That is why you like him.

I will give you another name to check out - Dr. Roy Casasgranda. Hope you learn something about your own race from white learned scholars.

It does not matter which country I am from, colonial and racist mentality is evil no matter where it is in the world. And people who support it are the cause of the problem.

[Julie4]

You're a hypocrite and a coward because you can't say where you come from. Wash your own ass before you call other people's asses dirty.
What's more, your historical knowledge is mediocre and you want to play the scholar here. Maybe you impress people even less cultured than you. But that doesn't work with me.

How do you explain the Arab colonization of certain Indo-Pacific countries? These are people who came to colonize outside their own continent.

Singapore was colonized and they're rich today, China suffered great humiliation in the 19th century and they're rich today, India too, and I could name several others.

As for African history, I can quote African historians if you like, particularly on slavery. It's very interesting what they have to say.

And once again, we don't need any lessons from countries like China, etc.

Sorry, but before modern society, historians prefer to compare GDP per capita. Indeed, 50 or 60 million peasants, for example, will produce a higher Nominal GDP than a country with a more modern economy, but with only 2 million inhabitants.

What's more, if these countries were so rich and advanced in the 19th century, they wouldn't have been colonized. Indeed, by the end of the Seven Years' War, the British already had enormous influence in India.

By the way, I don't know if you've ever been to India and talked to Indian nationalists, but they didn't really appreciate the Muslim conquest of their territories.

Yes, and the Asian countries stole a lot from the first civilization to appear on earth.

And then you keep criticizing other people's sources, calling them fake etc., but why should yours be true? You are God, and you have access to the only truth, while others remain in their ignorance? Please come down from your Olympus. You're not the wise man you think you are.

[purplepoppy]

Yeah, the problem with France is it just doesn't want to let go of the good ol' empire building days. They try to cling on to every bit of far flung territory for when the next Napoleon arises to bring back the glory days. I'm so glad the British don't think that way.

[Julie4]

It's not serious, they're the ones who asked us to intervene, especially against terrorists and because many presidents didn't want to build their own army for fear of a military coup.

Moreover, our economic interests in Africa are insignificant.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@purplepoppy You mean to tell me the UK isn’t heavily involved in Africa as well?

[winstanley2]

@WhiteBoyChill Britain doesn't control former African colonies in the same way.

[RageBabe]

@purplepoppy Excellent response. When you have time, please watch this video. m.youtube.com/watch

[AviatorTom]

Yes. Several European countries had colonies in Africa. Most colonies became independent, starting after World War II, with the European countries becoming less involved. France still holds a major interest in several countries in West Africa. Everyone is entitled to determine how they want to be ruled, and it's perfectly okay for countries to want French influence to leave.

[Julie4]

Important interests? No, our economic interests in Africa are insignificant.

[Cormac995]

I wouldn't say they're right but I also wouldn't say they're wrong either. WHat I will say if they think France is bad then wait until Russia or China decides to be your new sugar daddy. When your literal chattel you'll wish we stayed even with all the bad we do. The CCP is evil, and Russians are just snow chips on vodka. I've seen what they've done in Ukraine and Chechnya. They're filthy savages. The things aren't even human.

[KostasKouvalis]

It would be if they cut ties with France completely, but they don't. They want France out of their countries, yet they still want to immigrate to France and even threaten to send France their criminals if they don't send them money. And they continue to speak French. They want to have their cake and eat it too. I don't understand Africans.

[Julie4]

they're the ones who asked us to intervene, especially against terrorists and because many presidents didn't want to build their own army for fear of a military coup.

Moreover, our economic interests in Africa are insignificant.

[winstanley2]

They made them independent. They are by definition soveiegn countries. Soveriegn countries don't control other sovereign countries, by definition. All sovereign countries are equal, even if some are obviously more powerful than others. THe USA is more powerful than Cuba but it doesn't mean it's more sovereign than Cuba.

So fuck. France. it should let them be sovereign and independent countries and not have neo-colonial relationships with them.

[Anonymous]

That's totally fine with me; their country, their rules. They should also leave France and the other European countries, and return back to their homelands. People have the right to self-determination and decide whether they want immigrants or not, based on the needs of a country's economy and citizens. Those, who think that's racist, are being hypocritical and applying double standards

[DryGermanGuy]

France and England were arguably the most successful colonizers, for better or for worse. But to kick them out and lie in bed with Russia or China will hardly do them any good.

[Lliam]

For sure. France drains those countries dry financially like a giant leech.

[Julie4]

France has insignificant economic interests in Africa

[RageBabe]

Exactly. @Lliam

[QuestionObsession]

Of course! What is not right about it?

Every European coloniser should be kicked out of the rest of the continents in the world, wherever they invaded and occupied. France should have been kicked out of Africa right after WW2.

[andreasderjuengere]

We have seen what normally happens when a ''colony'' becomes ''independent'' :D

They get happier, and they run into problems.

Does it really matter what flags are waving 'outside' of your home?

[QuestionObsession]

What happens when a colony becomes independent is because the fucking colonisers leave the colony in disarray.

[andreasderjuengere]

@QuestionObsession... so: why that silly talk about Greenland, or continuous occupation of Hawaii, Samoa and such?

[QuestionObsession]

I don't care about Greenland, let it be occupied. For once let Europe be occupied and fucked with. And the rest of the world can sit back and watch the fun.

[alice55]

African countries beg for our help when they need it then insult us of colonizator once we're done helping them... They're not right they're hypocrite

[QuestionObsession]

They beg because of how much was stolen from them first. African countries did not invade France and steal from the French. Nigeria has the largest oil and gas fields in all of Africa but they are owned by Royal Dutch Shell and British Petroleum. How would it be if an African company owned all the natural resources in France and made France to beg?

[alice55]

@QuestionObsession False, they beg becuase they're lazy ass, just check how much money Europe give them all years.
They're doing it right now. Invading us, killing our culture, the people, raping children etc..
Normal they're owned by foreigner becuase theyre too dumb and lazy to do the whole work of extracting oil themlsevs.
Never gonna happen xD

[QuestionObsession]

They are not too dumb or lazy. Europe has made them that way, same as how British made India poor by stealing for 200yrs. But India is now the 5th largest economy, more rich than UK, France or any other EU country except Germany.

They don't need to know how to drill for oil, they can just make foreign companies work for them, same as how Gulf countries like Saudi and UAE do. The British let the Gulf countries own their own oil and they work for the Arabs.

Same way the French can work for African countries like employees instead of stealing their oil and natural resources through mining. 😉

[alice55]

@QuestionObsession No they're, dude my grandfather went to work in Africa for multiple years you'er not gonna tell me some random stuff about, my grandfather literally worked alongside them during years they're lazy, don't do anything and let others do all the work. We give them hundred of thousand of money every years, send our worker to help them in their work, send our doctor to heal them while there's none in France, send them money to go to school, send teacher, etc... All they do is destroying the very things we constructed for them for free to help them and insult us.
Nobody made them poor except their laziness and corrupt government.

We pay for it we don't steal it, you don't know a single things of what you're talking about it, don't talk about French in Africa if you never worked alongside them. We don't steal anything we build everything and pay them more than 4 time the average wage, theyre literally rich with us.

I don't get why you hate French people this is ridiculous you don't know a single things never went to work in Africa with French people and insult us saying complete lie?

[QuestionObsession]

First of all, I don't hate French people. I hate the colonial racist mentality that is expressly exhibited by those in power in governments and the policy makers. Everything about the G7 countries has to do with exploitation and monetary gain from other countries.

Yes Africans are lazy and don't want to work. But they were not always that way. The decades of slavery has made them dependent on international aid and they have got used to it. South Africa is the worst example. More than 90% of the wealth in that country is with the 2% of white people. Why? White people invaded their lands and made them dependent by forcing them into labour.

The reason they have not been able to come out of it is because, when a society of population gets used to a way of life that was forced on them for decades, it is difficult for them to become independent again.

White people are the cause of everything bad in those countries and then white people also want to play the saviour, by giving aid and help. The aid and help is a tactic to keep those countries dependent on western aid. It is a tactic of power.

You are too young to understand any of this. I have never lived in Africa but I have lived in the Gulf where it is almost the same, Arabs are lazy and don't want to work. All the wars that happened in the middle east, they were created by western countries and then the same western countries want to play the saviour by giving alms and financial aid. It is a play tactic to stay in control by destabilising other countries.

[Avicenna]

China is the colonizer these days in Africa

[OddBeMe]

Pretty sure all African countries have a case for that on some level. If we got out of their way and allowed countries to prosper we’d prosper trading with them.

[DJB72]

Definitely. I mean look how well the former British and Dutch colonies are doing...😳🙄

[Anonymous]

just look at haiti they are chucky doll chopping up and eating each other... low iq humans, dont step in, walk away.. If they eat each other its not frances problems.. Multicultrism failed years ago..

[Anonymous]

If that's what they want then fine. Leave Africa to the Africans and see how well they do without France or other western countries...

[jjj101010]

Seems fair, we had to give all the countries back we colonised

[Julie4]

They're the ones who called us back, especially to fight terrorism.

[jjj101010]

Yeah

[beefcakebradybatson]

France was a colonial power, but its military can keep the warring factions in much of its former African colonies apart.

[SmokinAces2000]

“Accuse”? They have every right to tell colonizers to leave

[Anonymous]

unfortunately i am afraid no one particularly cares if Africans are or are not being exploited/oprressed

[Opinion Owner]

what are they really getting from there?

[NathanDavis]

China is their new daddy...

[msc545]

Yes, France is a monster in this regard.

[Julie4]

It was these African countries that asked us to come. What's more, our economic interests in Africa are insignificant.

[Mettbltt]

yes..

[Bklynbadboy12]

Sure they do

[_Hugo_Moon]

Ingratitude!