The amount of brainwash it must be taking to support an apartheid state built by displacing the natives... OMG.
Not only that, but they have also been guilty of bombing hospitals, killing children and women, starving people to death, attacking 5 different countries at the same time. Why are people still dumb enough to support this illegitimate country?
The people of Judah - the historical Jewish inhabitants of Judea - were evicted 2000 years ago by the Romans - roughly 70AD - and the area renamed "Palestinia" which was as close as the Romans could get to the modern word "Philistine", chosen explicitly because the Jewish people had fought them for several hundred years as a final insult to the Jews evicted.
From Roman Province to British Protectorate "Palestine" has NEVER been an independent country.
Since the Jewish people were given the piece of land smaller than New Jersey in 1948 they have on no fewer than five occasions agreed to a TWO STATE solution giving Palestine land to call it's own and self-governance for the first time in all recorded history. Each time it was rejected BY THE PALESTINIANS.
Then on 7th October 2023 Hamas slaughtered over a thousand civilians at a music concert, took hostages - many of whom are still being held or have already been murdered - and paraded the corpses of women who had been raped and murdered around on trucks simply because they were Jewish.
Hamas won't allow independent verification of casualties within Gaza. But fucktarded morons insist they're being honest about casualties and accuse the IDF of atrocities that Hamas has claimed while ignoring the physical evidence of the actual atrocities perpetrated by Hamas.
Hamas is known for fifty years to deploy kids aged 13 into active firefights, then claim the IDF kills children. The BILLIONS of dollars thrown into Gaza could have turned it into a paradise. Instead the terrorists have dug tunnels like sewer rats and cockroaches.
If Israel truly wanted to wipe out the Palestinians they would need at most three bombs. Given they are a nuclear power. They also wouldn't have Arabic members of their own government or give equal rights in Israel to Muslims living peacefully alongside them as they have for the entire existence of the country.
Read the Hamas charter. It explicitly calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and the death of all non-muslims in the area.
But go ahead. Ignore the fact that the grandparents organisation of Hamas, the Islamic Brotherhood, were the allies of GERMANY in WW2 and fought to deport all Jews in the area to the death camps like Auschwitz. Ignore that Israel tries to minimise civilian casualties so Hamas dig shelters under hospitals a schools then refuse to allow evacuation of civilians from those areas.
I know nobody with intelligence and integrity who support Hamas. I know plenty of people who want to see the conflict end and innocent Palestinians safe. It's just difficult to identify which ones are the innocent and which ones might be voluntarily wearing Semtex underwear.
Which part? I use actual history books printed before 2000 to read history, not Wikipedia.
And I still know nobody with intelligence and integrity who support Hamas.
Incidentally, in Aramaic the word "Hamas" literally means "violence". It suits them.
Hamas didn't even come into existence until 2000 and wasn't elected to administrative control until 2006 with Israel's help.
Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset.
“’Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,’ he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. ‘This is part of our strategy—to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.’” - Benjamin Netanyahu
Fatah has been negotiating for peace and making headway. Israel wanted to prevent the possibility of a Palestinian state. But it also wanted continue genocide of the Palestinian people so it needed an enemy so that it could say it was defending itself.
Why don't idiots realize that Israel has been killing and terrorizing Palestinians since 1948? And Israel always acts like IT is the victim.
1948-49 Arab-Israeli war. Started just after Israel was recognised as a nation. Attacked by the surrounding Muslim nations
1950s & 60s Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency. Palestinians attacked Israel supported by Arabs from Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Reprisals from Israel did cause high casualties in the short term intended to demonstrate invasion would be too costly.
Suez Crisis 10/56 Egypt's threat to close the Suez Canal led to hostilities and Israel taking control of Sinai but pacifying their south border
Six Day War 6/67 Israel was attacked by Arab nations of Egypt, Jordan and Syria, helped by Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others.
War of Attrition 1967-70 initiated by Egypt with backing from USSR, Jordan and Syria plus the PLO.
Yom Kippur War 10/73 Arab coalition states led by Egypt and Syria chose a Jewish holiday to launch a surprise attack (sound familiar?)
Palestinian Insurgency from Lebanon 1971-82 PLO launch attacks from Lebanon. Response in 1978 (note they waited SEVEN YEARS) was Operation Litali to get the PLO out of Lebanon.
Lebanon War & South Lebanon Conflict 1982-2000 began June 1982 as a response to the attempted murder of the Israeli ambassador to Britain
First Intifada 1987-93 Palestinian uprising in Gaza and West Bank
2nd Intifada 2000-05 Palestinian uprising with increased violence against Israel
The full list is much longer. Invasions backed by Arab states. Hamas and Hezbollah's repeated attacks on Israel.
Hamas was formed in 1987, not 2000. Yes, it had limited support from Israel as they hoped it could balance the PLO but that support was incredibly short lived.
Hamas fought Fatah literally not politically for control of Gaza.
Israel has defended it's borders from islamic invasions. Nothing more.
@Opinion owner. Yeah, that's the Israeli version and the version available in Western media. It portrays Israel valiantly defending itself against people who irrationally hate Jews. It's not truthful. But then, Zionists lie more than they breath. They always portray themselves as victims.
Try reading "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli Jew, Ilian Pappe for an introduction to the facts.
Dear blue anon,
The extremely cheap propaganda you're spewing is an insult to the intelligence of everyone who has a functional brain. You need to seriously improve your propaganda's game.
Because they are blinded by hate
Some people are still supporting Israel, but the majority are not. However, the people are powerless. All the power is in the president, the Congress, and the billionaires who own the military-industrial complex. The president is 100 percent in support of Israel, 100 percent of Congress supports Israel, and 100 percent of the military-industrial complex supports Israel.
clueless 0 brain cells
@TadBehaya all acts of islamic terrorism is an inside job in your mind.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/.../europe-attacks.aspx
@TadBehaya I already said that Israel don't target civilians on purpose, unlike muslims.
Ikr! People are just so ignorant
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I don't support either. I just hope both teams have fun.
Our social media is structured around generating engagement. Youtube, tiktok, twitter, etc.
This means that the algorithms that feed you news will feed you whatever it thinks you like or will interact with. Because of this half of us here actually live in different worlds. We do not partake of the same news or facts.
Getting an unbiased view takes effort now, because it is not rewarded in our media.
So people supporting Israel? They're simply fed a recurring narrative of how it is the right thing to do and once twenty sources in a row told you they're the good guys? People start to believe it.
Its a problem of our time and one that is difficult to solve because solving it requires passing on profit.
Our media doesn't ever talk about the horrific crimes Israel commits or even acknowledge Palestinians as ordinary people like you and me. It follows that Israeli hasbara narrative that the IDS is the most humane army in the world and is only defending Israel against terrorists.
In reality, Israel is the greatest terrorist state in modern history. Its brutality is more sadistic than anything the Nazis ever dreamed of.
Only people who have access to and seek out the truth have any idea. And even governments suppress the truth. They call the truth "Antisemitism", which is twisted because many Jews and even Israeli Jews oppose Zionism and the Israeli government.
But governments and the media are controlled by Zionists.
Please stop believing FAKE NEWS.
Muslims, Christians and Jews live in peace in Israel, at least when Israel is not being attacked.
Hamas attacked Israel on October 7 and Israel retaliated in defense. Iran, publicly shouting "Death to Israel" was developing nuclear weapons, and Israel took steps to stop that, improving not only Israel's safety but the safety of the entire world.
Check history carefully. On at least two occasions, Israel offered Palestinians their own land and the right to self rule. It never happened because Palestinian leaders (first Arafat and the PLO, later Hamas) refused.
Seems like you're the one who needs to read history.
Zionists introduced terrorism to Palestine. They attacked the British and blew up the King David hotel.
When the British pulled out, Israeli commandos attacked unarmed, sleeping, Palestinian villages, executed people, leveled over 500 villages and drove 750,000 Palestinians from their homes during what Palestinians call the Nakba.
The Zionist plan, as far back as the late 1800s, was the "de-Arabization" (their words) of Palestine. They NEVER intended to comply with the British mandate or remain in the UN mandated area.
@TadBehaya palestinians are arabs, not natives, Israel is jewish ancestral homeland.
@TadBehaya palestinians are arabs, so clearly that the natives was displaced by arabs.
To be honest anyone that's not living on either side chanting to support a country they know nothing about are brainwashed, brainwashed by the media that also have inaccuracy to what's actually going on in both countries, what citizens of other countries should do is butt out and find something to do with their privileged lives, something that isn't blindly chanting a useless quote that won't do anything, the truth is nobody from other countries is supporting anything, if you aren't packing food or weapons and ammunition and throwing them off a plane to aid the people of these countries then respectfully just shut your yap, it only seems that people on social media are just clout chasing by using these wars for publicity acting like they "support" a side but the truth is they are just chanting and watching both countries destroy each other, sympathy isn't aid, it seems in today's day, people get those two confused.
Israel is a lot like a western country whether they think so or not. Some Jews outright hate us but they are us. And by now they're so mixed with Europeans that they are essentially siblings. They might subvert and hold undue influence in our government or at least try to in some cases but all that is unnecessary now. To be a Jew is no longer a foreign thing it is like being a Frenchman or some other European race. We just naturally recognize our kin, wayward or not. They have our blood and they have our ways. Muslims do not, they are Semitic people for the most part. Jews are a weak Semitic mix if even that. Iran has never invented brackish water irrigation.
A lot of people haven't learned to think independently of media they consume, so if they drink in US/UK/Israeli nonsense, without seeking out opinions from the Arab world etc etc, all they will read about is how Israelis are pretty much the only non-savages (SARK) in the Middle East.
I"m amazed that vast numbers of people still think the USA is anything but an abusive rogue nation in international affairs, but I guess everyone needs their own naive beliefs...
Jews are natives. Muslims aren't oppressed they have full right to practice their religion there. Muslims on the other hand oppress other religions banning apostasy from islam, marriages between muslim women and non-muslim men, and blasphemy. This is part of a long history of Muslim oppression of Jews starting from the birth of Islam. Jews can get over the past if the descendants of their oppressors demonstrate an ability to learn, but only a minority have. Muslims as a body are still the people who ethnically cleansed us from Arabia and killed and enslaved many of us. In some countries insulting Muhammad is a capital crime. If Israelis had to go in and find militants every time they hid in civilian areas they would lose all their soldiers, so they bomb those areas where militants hide and among the Palestinians that is just about everywhere. Palestinian blood is only on Hamas's hands.
You are only right about one thing... There is a lot of brainwashing going on... You are a prime example of it. How does it feel being on the same side as Hitler and the Nazis?
“From the river to the sea Palestine will be free” means the total elimination of the Jewish people.
The real problem is not whether people support Israel, Palestines, Ayatolah, Putin, or whoever else, but the plain fact that in politics, human lifes never matter: there are only interests in whatever field.
Considering the flagrant lack of mental maturity and compassion in so many people, and particularly on behalf of and in politicians, the situation is not going to improve soon.
Israel is defending itself
As for the idiotic claims of „apartheid“, Israel has a large Arab minority , including judges, legislators, and military personnel. How many Jews live in Gaza? Absolutely none, so why are you supporting the Gaza terror apartheid? Only a Nazi would.
Why do you support the Hanas killing and rape of Palestinians and Israelis? Why do you insist that Israel not defend itself from attacks like 10/7/23?
😂 😂😂😂😂 another victim of Israeli propaganda. People without a working brain 🧠 are the easiest to fool.
@QuestionObsession: LOL, the nonsense you spew is Nazi and Islamist propaganda. And it speaks volumes you couldn’t refute what I posted, because you know I’m 100% correct.
@Avicenna Refute? Lol I can write an entire thesis on how fucked up the Israeli society is and how they have been using the USA like a bitch for decades. But it is not worth my time because anybody who even uses 'right to defend itself' when speaking about Israel is the dumbest brain in the room to begin with. Stay dumb yo! 😂
@TadBehaya It is amazing how even after the truth being exposed for the first time ever about Zionism and the evils in Israel, people are still eating the propaganda shit like a delicacy.
@QuestionObsession indeed. The ignorance and/or the willful denial is appalling. Such prejudice, hatred and bigotry... Dangerous society.
Because even though they know the truth now, they are ashamed of feeling like a fucking idiot for supporting it before and hence want to continue it instead of looking like idiots.
Also there are fools who will believe only their governments and the 'west'.
Palestinian Muslims were aligned with Hitler to commit genocide against Jews. This is a picture of Leader of the Palestinian Muslims Hajj Amin al-Husayni meeting with Hitler and his Nazi generals to offer his peoples' services in their genocide against the Jews before Israel even existed.
It's always ironic to me when an Indian defends an Islamic state. Do you not see the irony? I know Indians like peace and co-existence but at some point you have to know why Islamic states aren't good.
India has a horrible track record of Islam trying to invade it ya mean there's a reason Pakistan exists. And there is a reason why constant terrorist threats come from Pakistan so happen to be Islamic.
By logic of killing children is bad, what do you make of US when it nuked Japan? (that of which killed many innocents and babies) Were Japan any less of the bad guys just because US did that and ended the war?
Or how about when we all attacked Germans in Ww2 do you think no innocent people were killed?
In war bad stuff happens. That don't make one automatically evil plus if it does then what about Oct7? What about Hamas raping hostages?
So... How do you figure there good, if we go by the logic of whoever does bad things is bad you would have to conclude both are bad right?
You need some history lessons on pre-Islamic India, pal. The caste system was so horrible that lower cast people literally had hot glass poured into their ears if they heard a higher person chanting religious mantras. Belonging to a Hindu family myself and being an ex hindu, I like muslim kings more (they had their fair share of mistakes too but they're too demonised).
Widows were literally burnt alive in India (it's mentioned in scriptures of Hinduism as well), women had to pay taxes for having breasts. The range of taxes varied according to the size of the breasts. Aryan invasions also took place before, it's ridiculous to target only Muslims especially when India had the highest GDP under the rule of mughal ruler Aurangzeb. You can look it all up. Aryan invasions also took place in India. And do you have any idea about what Hindus have done to Buddhists? Please learn before you speak.
There are daily cases of attacks, rapes, mob lynchings of Muslims, lower caste Hindus, Christians in India. What about that?
And mate, it didn't begin on October 7, it began when illegal settlers were made to colonise the place of the inhabitants in 1947. Moreover, Israel had illegally occupied West Bank in 1967, Hamas was formed in 1987, 20 years later. It's very ironic to see people calling Hamas as terrorists and ignore the terrorist attacks by Israel.
I love how you posted a wall that didn't answer my point. Nor reject it.
And no I don't. The history lesson is simple which came first India or Pakistan?
And nothing else you say on that matters really, I never said India was great and know India is sexist too? But again wasn't my point. My point was simple it was about Islamic terrorists that attack India this a factual thing that happens lol
And I never said it began on Oct7? So again an irrelevant point that had nothing to do with mine.
It didn't answer the question at all to how that event didn't make you think both are bad? Or is is only good when Hamas rape and kill?
You seem to have no rationale for your thinking.
It's the weapon companies that profit from wars, no matter what countries are fighing over religion, territory, resources, independence, self defence or anything!
One guy made a video on YT, who had relatives, friends and coworkers from both sides and asked everyone to remember how people lile him are the ones trying to be normal to each other in the most not normal, evil times where both governments make them enemies.
As u said some people are dumb and rest are fuelled with hate. They're only brothers of this country who cares no less about innocent blood being shed just coz they belong to a separate religion.
Because people are fucking stupid They and think breaking laws and acting with impunity isn't going to come back on them.
I'm glad we are pro Zionisms, but it doesn't mean we miss them.
@TadBehaya Death do Israel... Death to America, onward with world wide "Intifada"
Death to all "infidels"...( I'm an infidel, BTY)
Death to America is official chant that muslims use, death to arabs is not official chant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America
They could be Christians and they're being a good little goyum for the chosen ones.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/QqJ-i9-qP5EIsrael is fighting muslims, it's a good thing, it muslims who destroyed the towers in 9/11.
I mean in case of my country it makes sense. I'm, from Germany. I think Germany just lost it's right to ever say anything not so nice about Jews ever again in WW2.
I guess guess they learned from the best XD
You sound retarded. Were you dropped on your head as a child?
1) Apartheid means separation or segregation generally based on race. Specifically it was in reference to White Europeans being separated from Black Africans. There is no segregation in the modern state of Israel. Regardless of your race/ethnicity, religion, etc. all Israelis have the same rights. When you examine the ethnic demographics of Israel it breaks down as follows:
Jewish 73.5% (of which Israel-born 79.7%, Europe/America/Oceania-born 14.3%, Africa-born 3.9%, Asia-born 2.1%)
Arab 21.1%
other 5.4%
When you walk around major cities you can see everyone going about their lives normally. Segregation/Apartheid isn't a thing in Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VCU8nv2U0
2) Palestinians have no legitimate claim to the modern state of Israel. There has never been a formal Palestinian state in the history of the Middle East with defined borders, a capital, known major cities, an underlying economic system, any recorded form of government, known historic leaders, and so on. Palestinians are not natives of the region. When you examine the Chronology and Kingdoms of the territory that represents the modern state of Israel you see the following. The land of the Hebrews is given to the Semites by God. Then Nimrod and the 7 nations invade the Fertile Crescent and form Canaan. The Israel is formed and the 12 tribes reconquer Canaan. Then Israel splits into Judah & Israel. Then Israel is conquered by Assyria and Judah stands. Then Nebuchadnezzar destroys Judah. Then Cyrus the Great ruling over Persia allows the Jews to rebuild the temple. Then the Greeks push through with Alexander the Great which is followed by the Hasmonean dynasty ruling over Judea during the Hellenistic times of the second temple. Then the Romans come (Time of Jesus) and Judaea becomes a Roman province. The Jews rebel against Rome and lose. So as punishment by the Romans to humiliate the Jews, the territory of Rome is renamed Syria Palastina to erase Israel culturally from history referencing the area to invaders that were disreputable around the region. Then the Eastern Roman Empire is renamed the Byzantine Empire. Then the Muslim Caliphates invade the Roman Empire. Then you have the Crusades where Jerusalem is temporarily reclaimed. The the Mamluks sweep through. Then the area is taken over by the Ottoman Empire. During this period Jews start to purchase land from the Ottomans to resettle Israel. The the United Kingdom take over the land and the Jews continue to legally purchase land from the UK. Then the modern State of Israel comes about through grant from the UK and a UN agreement. Then in 1967 the Palestinian movement is born. The country of Palestine never existed.
3) The word Palestinian is referenced throughout history in different forms with a meaning of invader. You it in reference to Philistine invaders from the Greek islands of Crete. They were barbarian marauders/raiders that came to steal belongings, rape women, and take slaves. In other words, pirates. There are historic groups of “sea people” like Vikings called the Peleset that tried to do the same shit to Egypt when Pharaoh Ramses III was in power. They lost and became captives of the Egyptians and where basically used as disposable mercenaries to go around fighting other adversarial countries in raids. Earlier in history you see reference to the Palasatini people in the northern Levant (i. e. Syria) in reference to a neo-Hittite power who were doing the same sort of thing. When you examine the Palestinian DNA it tracks back to the Greek isles and Spain. They went from one place to another to rape and pillage. They’ve done much the same thing in the modern era which is why nobody want the Palestinians in their country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4FEMJqxJ6Y
*When you look to history you find it referenced to Philistine invaders from the Greek islands of Crete.
*Then
Because I want them to win, but I admit it is getting annoying that they're taking so long to wipe out Hamas and their supporters.
Palestinians have commit terror attacks agsinst Westerners, the Israelis haven't.
Since when do Indians support Muslims?
Yeah so? Do you have a better idea of what we were supposed to do with all those displaced Jews? And actually, you should read about Amin-al-Husseini aka "The Palestinian Hitler". He made an alliance with Hitler and spread anti-Semitism across the Middle East and North Africa.
By killing innocent civilians?
Do you support Pakistan's claim of Kashmir then? I guess the Kashmiri terrorists who killed those tourists were also "defending themselves"?
Because when you call for the eradication of a people, you don't have any room to complain about how much you are separated out from society.
Zionists aren't calling for the eradication of anyone. It is others like Hezbollah and Hamas calling for the eradication of the Jews, first in Israel and then the rest of the world. Plus if you were a Zionist, you would be calling for the people of the world to be of one heart and mind to dwell in peace and follow the commandments of God.
I am and there can't be any brainwashing since I don't pay much attention to the news of what's current with the Middle East. I support them for Genisis 3
They have to bomb those places because Hamas bases their operations in those places and uses the Palestinian civilians as human shields
They believe Jews are G0d' s chosen people. I do.
I will neither research your allegations nor debate you. I support Israel. Capice?
Good for you.
Because they are inhumane and enemy of humanity and peace.
Because their people they have been attacking routinely murder for political and religious reasons and have done so for years.
No one is native. All land was stolen. War has always been fought over land disputes. Wars will always be fought over land disputes.
Because some people understand history and the events the got them here
Because Israel has a right to defend itself against a terrorist state threatening its existence.
Holocaust guilt upon which Israel trades.(Wish the same solicitude re. slavery and its aftermath were shown us !!!)
Learn history and verify your news sources. Then you'll be believable.
@TadBehaya palestinians are arabs, so clearly that the natives was displaced by arabs.
@TadBehaya. If Palestinians are native, why is there NOT one Palestinian archaelogical artifact, but you can find MANY Hebrew archeological artifacts! If Palestine is country, why CAN'T Palestinians pronounce or spell Palestine?
The more jihadist and Israel fight each other the less troubles the rest of us will have.
Because they're dumb cattle.
once they build the third temple, its over
It is prophecized that the holy temple of Jerusalem will be rebuilt a third time as promised for the Jews by the Son of God. This is promised at the end of times. The 2nd temple was destroyed by Roman soldiers invading the jews. The first temple was destroyed by Babylon. This new temple will be built just to be destroyed, as the antichrist is anticpated to rule over this temple. Then the 2nd coming of christ will take place to strike down the temple and punish the nations with the Sword from his mouth. This is all prophecy that must take place. All other signs of the prophecy have been fulfilled.
because israel are victims
Previous dealings with Islamic terrorism
@TadBehaya muslims are killing babies on purpose, Israel is just fighting a war.
It's like those kids on aljazera that were "starving". The parents that were being interviewed with their anorexic kids were well fed.
I wonder the same.
It's about money and also about anti-arab racism.
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