Who to condemn?

[Anonymous]

The thing is that people who don't know the history make them take the wrong side, if not, then they are either stupid or accomplices

Israel established their state by committing genocide,
Their state's age is 77 years now and it has started by killing the land owners - Palestinians-, forced displacement of others, stealing their lands and even their culture claiming that it's their land, with unconditional support from western governments mostly USA, and yet they call the Palestinian terrorists 😂

Another thing is their media which runs by the politicians and what they puplish to brain wash their communities, the difference between now and 77 years ago is there wasn't any effective way to spread the word of Palestinians, in fact they altered the truth and hid the most of it, but now everyone has a smart phone and can puplish the horrible genocide that has been happening in Gaza for almost 2 years and still they don't wanna see the truth

Do you condemn Palestinians for defending their lands and lives in Gaza, or do you condemn Israel for committing genocide for over than 70 years?

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[RavVid]

Not much history here in the question.

Inherently you are making a revanchist claim. But Jewish people have an older revanchist claim of it having been their land before it was your land.

Or is it? We might think of countries there being Arabic but they aren't. Arabic cultured certainly but there is little Arabic DNA. Quite simply from the Natufians and Canaanites onwards there has been a complex admixture of people on the Mediterranean coast of the middle east. So a claim that this land belongs to these people of this ethnic origin is bloody nonsense.

The Levant was conquered by Arabs in 634 AD. If you want to claim right by conquest than do you see that you need to allow others that right also? In about the oldest settled tracts of land on the earth all this revanchism is an utter nonsense.

You should clear out and give the land back to the original Natufians.

Long before Israel was mandated, Jewish people were buying tracts of land between the wars and moving there to live. They had some right to do so as they owned the bloody land.

REVANCHISM JUST DOESN'T WORK. And you have to give up on it. If nominally Arab countries hadn't launch failed war after failed war - most recent Oct 7 - the various people would be living quite harmoniously together.

Give it up and focus on living harmoniously.

[Asker]

What jewish people are you talking about? Do you think those who are settled in what they call Israel are jewish?😂 Those are zionists not jewish. DNA tests are forbidden there because they would be exposed that they have ZERO roots to the Palestinian lands.
They altered the history in order to settle in the Middle East for controlling it, threatening security and stability, trying to eliminate Islam because it harms their trillions of dollars businesses
If someone came at your house's door and claimed it was his ancestors 3000 years ago, would you give it to them? 😂 what a joke

[RavVid]

Although I did not say so before, I thought Islam would be a part of your revanchism. There is of course no reason why you cannot be Islamic and your neighbors next door be Judhaist and for you all to get along with equanimity despite you going to a mosque and your neighbor going to a synagoue.

It is fairly well documented that at various percentages of population, Islamic people demand different concessions. Already though some European countries are finding it necessary to expel Muslims largely over the inability to integrate. In mine there are routinely demands for Sharia law as another example.

Take Spain. Because it was conquered by Islam ~800 AD, Islamic views have been expressed that it should be returned to Islam although the Reconquista happened ~1400 AD.

Right by conquest doesn't work because it invites reconquest and people not only die but every one becomes impoverished.

Renvanchism doesn't work either because it is not possible to draw a valid line after which such claims are invalid. Plus inherent in revanchism is reconquista.

The only thing that can work is living beside neighbors of different religious views with equanimity. About 18% of Israel's citizens are Muslim so it is possible and I recommend that to you.

[genericname85]

i think in this particular case israel is to condemn. cause they're litterally commiting a genocide on the people who's land they took. the USA had that same story so i guess that's why they support them.

[SotiCoto]

Both. Because they're all middle-eastern religious scum. I hope they all kill each other.

[BarryLiverstone]

Both