People who don't have children should pay lower tax rates than those who do?

[Shiprex]

People pay taxes toward communities they live in and receive benefits from that COST money. Local government receive this money either from local taxes on individuals, households and businesses or from central government where it's sourced from the same sources plus borrowing from finance markets.

Some of this gets used to find schools and education that is generally a loss to the local government or tax payers in general and thus parents choice is being funded by taxpayers who do not benefit from schools and their children's support services.

Surely a tax break to those who remain child free or who cannot have children is only fair.

A consequence of this is that tax burden would be shifted toward women as roughly twice as many women have children as men.

[MuddyMole]

I don't know where to start...
Being pragmatic about it, if you ever want to receive a pension, you probably shouldn't discourage couples from having children. Birth rates are already declining, and the money that you pay into the pension pot is going to pay the pensions of the generations before you - so by the time you want to draw a pension, there will be noone left working and paying taxes to pay for it.

If you're taxing non-parents less, then either you have to tax parents more, or spend less on education. An uneducated populace is obviously not a good thing - see the USA. Taxing parents is no different from taxing the children themselves, since they have no income of their own, so it's the children who end up suffering, which is also obviously not a good or fair thing. And of course, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to be taxing parents more, while simultaneously giving them a whole lot of state benefits - and the majority of parents (not just the unemployed) do receive child benefits of some sort.

Public services are public for a reason. If you start charging parents more for sending their kids to school, then are you also going to take away universal healthcare, and charge people with long term health issues more to use hospitals? Maybe the police, ambulance and fire services should charge a call out fee? Maybe stop subsidizing public transport, so everyone drives a car, and then there's no parking, constant congestion on the roads, and horrendous air pollution in cities.

[Chazmatazz269]

I wouldn’t be opposed to a tax system by which taxpayers can decide where their money is allocated or not. I quietly hoped that Drumpf & DOGE’s discussions on the tax reform would result in such a change. What better way to determine which programs, policies and practices are worth preserving due to public support?
But that’s not the system we have.
You would do well to remember that, whether people like it or not, we are a socialist country in many ways. Everyone pays for things that not everyone benefits from, but we all have access to. Every public skool has programs and events for the whole community, whether you have kids or not. Skools provide jobs and generally attract productive citizens. Which is another important factor: we are meant to make more productive citizens. They incentivize having kids with tax breaks because the entire system crumbles without a working class and fodder for the military industrial complex. If you want to pay less taxes, make less money. Ell oh ell! That’s pretty much your only option.

[PretzelBeanie]

Supporting the children of the community helps the whole community, including the people in it who do not have children of their own.

They still have children in their family, or have friends who have children, or they care about children in general, or at the very least they do not want the next generation of workers and neighbors they will have to deal with to be poorly educated and cause them problems in life. Consider when they retire, those children will be the ones running the neighborhood. They will be the ones in charge of making sure that childless person's mail gets delivered, their streets and sidewalks get maintained, and their groceries get stocked and quality checked. They will be working at the pharmacy and handling that childless person's prescriptions one day.

It is in everyone's best interests to support the next generation. No matter if you personally have, know, or even care about children yourself.

[DrPepper12]

BRAVO 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[OneViewpoint]

Fine! Let's do a ME FIRST government policy. Then we're gonna need more immigrants to keep our economy stable and growing. Because if government uses tax policy to discourage citizens from having kids, you White clowns are gonna end up as the minority even faster. But at least you won't be paying for "the others", right?

[DrPepper12]

They're capacity for thought is zero. ZERO

[exitseven]

I worked for a K-12 School district. All the old people in town used to show up at meetings to try and get the schools to cut their budget.
My kids are out of the school system now but I think we still need a good school system just to keep property values high.

[DrPepper12]

Not to educate the next generation?

[exitseven]

@DrPepper12 that too but education is more than spending lots of money on fancy buildings. However, when young couples are shopping for a town to buy a home in they look at things like per pupil expenditure even though it is not necessarily an indicator of how good school system is.

[DrPepper12]

True

[DrPepper12]

You are too good to be true!!

"roughly twice as many women have children as men."

Trump must be paying for a SHITLOAD of IVF treatments for USA women!!

Hey MAGA, how's that campaign promise going? Still waiting for that DOGE check?

[Shiprex]

One man can impregnate more than one woman thus leaving at least one man out in the cold.

[Anonymous]

going by that logic, then old childless people should receive less or no social security from taxpayers who have parents and grandparents

it's only fair that the taxpayers invest their own money back into their parents and grandparents who created them

[Dargil]

People who don't have children should pay a higher rate because they aren't spawning new taxpayers to pay into the system. Should people who did not have children be prohibited from collecting social security?

[DrPepper12]

Why stop there? No kids? No one to draft, no one to pay into social sec, no consumers, no labor, etc!! They should be FORCED TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING A LA CARTE!!!

[Dargil]

@DrPepper12 starting with you. Show us the way.

[Kelly6]

@Dargil exactly

[Syntosi]

We as a society wants more children so we invest to make it as easy as possible to raise a family. Not everything has to or even should be "fair".

[Anonymous]

Nope, you have it backwards. People with no children should pay more, not less. Today's children will support everyone, including you, as you age. The parents of today's children are making sacrifices, financial and otherwise, that will benefit you as an old man.

[Panthero80]

I don't agree. An educated populace benefits society at large.

[Kelly6]

@Shiprex shouldn't it be opposite?

[Shiprex]

Why? Children are a drain on society. They're a selfish choice for adults expecting taxpayers to fund and support their choices to procreate without having sufficient funds to bring a child in to the world

[Kelly6]

@Shiprex
So after 100 years you want world to be empty?

[Kelly6]

@seeyounexttuesday
Help to educate here.

[Shiprex]

Let the rich reproduce and pass that wealth on to those who support them. Make having kids a serious expense business. There's already more people alive than ever and it's consuming the planet's resources quicker than can be sustained.

[seeyounexttuesday]

@Kelly6 I don’t know if I can help him. He’s bought into this nihilistic, narcissistic culture, and his last comment is pure eugenics.

Like most of these people he likely hates himself and projects that hatred on his parents subconsciously. They shouldn’t have had him because he sucks so no parents should have children.

But studies consistently show that the happiest people are those who are married with children.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday ad hominem is infant like immaturity but you do you. If you have to pay for others choices to say have holidays or new cars OR INVESTMENTS, maybe then you'd be less inclined to support that.

[seeyounexttuesday]

You don’t pay for my kids. Hope this helps.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday my taxes pay for parents to get leave for their crotch goblins. My taxes pay towards the school those crotch goblins attend. The child support (state money going to families with children to provide for them NOT parental support after divorce) government gives parents AND young adults in school comes from my taxes.

So yes, taxpayers fund families with children.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Are you retarded? Taxes don’t pay for parental leave. And my taxes pay for the roads you drive on.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday taxes DO pay for parental leave. Governments use social security and companies may add to that so parental leave can reach all who need it.
Roads are there for commercial transport to be swifter and cheaper.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yeah you don’t get social security for parental leave. I don’t know what crack you are smoking but you are full of shit.

[seeyounexttuesday]

If roads are for commerce then why are you on them?

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday wut? Who pays the wages of parents on parental leave then? Firms? Insurance MAY pay but in the 4 countries I lived in it was the state WITH mark up by employers sometimes.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday I'm on roads because I sell my labour to an employer who pays me (enough) money.

[seeyounexttuesday]

On the roads my taxes pay for.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday so that my labour can be used to create productivity.

[seeyounexttuesday]

And the children you are shitting on will be working to pay your retirement bennies. You’re actually a drain on them.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday not if I've saved and invested. If I'm prudent through life with choices and decisions, why should I contribute to those who aren't and who rely on others to support their choices?

[seeyounexttuesday]

You will still be there for your gubment handouts, I'm sure of it.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday hand outs that came from earnings I made that were spent on people's kids instead of me

[seeyounexttuesday]

You must not know how taxes work, then.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday I know the state pays parental leave and firms may pay extra to keep employees sweet after children.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Not in the US. At all.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday the US only supports corporations, not people especially working people who are sick or have kids.

[seeyounexttuesday]

So you were incorrect when you said that the government pays for maternity leave. Got it.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday no, the opposite. The taxes in countries where parental leave is given for up to a year each, pay from social security funds, employers may contribute when benefits don't match income levels to full salary or close as retention benefits.

[seeyounexttuesday]

No one cares about those other countries.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday not quite, Duhmericans don't know anything so can't form a valid opinion because they're ignorant

[seeyounexttuesday]

Wow, I see what you did there, you did a play on words combining Duh and American! fuckin genius, man. You showed us. You fuckin clown.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday yeah like we showed you how to run a non corrupt society that serves people not profits

[seeyounexttuesday]

Did you show us what happens to the rape rates when you import the 3rd world, too?

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday If you do that why not include the ship stats too, out at sea, then in aeroplanes, how about in brothels too. Comparing criminal justice systems is idiotic but this is about people sponging off others so they can have kids.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Except they aren’t. Thanks for playing. I get it. You’re repulsive and no one wants to fuck you so children are sour grapes.

[Shiprex]

@seeyounexttuesday They are, SCHOOLS come from taxpayers, tax exemptions for children are funded by those without, parental leave I've explained is paid by taxpayers so CHECKMATE.
How tf you spin this to be about fucking has some paedophilic vibes but heck that's what the internet drags up

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope

[seeyounexttuesday]

Weak trolling C-

[Buford_T_Justice]

D+..