Do you believe in eugenics?

[msc545]

https://hartmannreport.com/p/maha-madness-bob-kennedys-cruel-new-0d3?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

[slatyb]

Some characteristics are definitely inheritable, but it's not predictable. My maternal grandmother was mentally feeble and suffered paranoid delusions. My mother was of above average intelligence. I was a very precocious child, reading the newspaper at 4, self-taught algebra at 7 and calculus at 10. My child was also quite precocious. They were talking at 1-1/2, completely lucid and creating complex sentences at 2, then learned to read at 3-1/2 somehow, perhaps from watching Sesame Street.

Should my maternal grandmother have been sterilized?

[Syntosi]

There are so many problems with eugenics. For starters, what we as human think are good traits might not be particularly beneficial. Case in point; dogs. More specifically, this unholy abomination:


Or any other breeds of domesticated animals which we have ruined in the pursuit of the traits we want. There is also further issues such as inbreeding and that we need genetic variation and "bad traits" to survive diseases.

If everyone is the product of eugenics then we become like the banana. In other words, if we are bred for the same beneficial traits and as a result everyone develops similarly then if one person is vulnerable to a disease then everyone is vulnerable to that disease which can pretty much lead to social collapse and possibly extinction.

[exitseven]

RFK Jr does not believe in eugenics. He believes that the pharmaceutical companies should not be the ones to run our health organizations. Notice when Elizabeth (the fake indian) Warren was grilling RFK about withholding vaccines she would not let him answer with the fac that no vaccines were being with held and nobody was being prevented from getting a vaccine. She refused to answer him when he asked it was true that she took $950,000 from drug companies. She pretended she did not hear him but everyone in the room heard it.

He is cleaning house of all the members of the deep state and wants to get to the root of the health problems in this country. It will not surprise me if it turns out that the drug companies are part of the problem.

[dustybiker2]

The dude couldn't spell eugenics.

[exitseven]

@dustybiker2 The truth is that I remember him as a kid spitting ice cream in a cop's face on Cape Cod. He was an entitled druggie who could get away with everything just like his cousins. I knew he was a drug addict and when Tucker Carlson announced that he was going to be a guest on his show I wondered why he would have this entitled jerk on his show and what could he possibly have to say that would be interesting.
He talked about the Covid vaccine and he had a very good grasp of what the issues there were in vaccines and the covid vaccine in particular. It was obvious he had researched the subject and being a kennedy got him access to records that most people could not get. He takes full responsibility for his drug use and claims he has not used drugs in over 30 years. I have watched him workout and he is very impressive at 71.
I know that the democrats hate him but a lot has to do with him exposing what has been going on in public health for decades.
One one in 4 people under 18 suffers from a chronic disease and out kids are handed out anti depressants lie they are candy. I worked in a K-12 school system and saw this first hand.
50 years ago nobody even heard of autism. Now it is a part of life,. President Trump picked him to make America Healthy Again. he does not seem to care if he pisses off some people.

[msc545]

You do not know what he believes in, but I know, based on his own words, that he does not believe in vaccines or in medicines in general. He has no medical or pharmaceutical education and is basically a charlatan who made money suing drug companies and began to believe his own bullshit.

You like him because Trump likes him.

[msc545]

He does not know a fucking thing about vaccines.

[dustybiker2]

@exitseven Point blank. He does not have the required educational experience for the position. Which is a theme for this admin. He couldn't answer the most basic questions when pressed.

It doesn't matter a damn if you think dems hate him, which they don't I've only heard they think he's an idiot based on his responses to question.. The country should be concerned for their health.

[exitseven]

@msc545 He knows more than you do. Have you even listened to what he has to say or do you continue to let CNN make up your mind for you?

[exitseven]

@dustybiker2 He is there to clean up our health organizations and bring back some integrity. This can only be done by getting rid of the influence of the big drug companies. The whole country was lied to for over two years over Covid. Dr Fauci lined his pockets and that taxpayers were on the hook for billions.
Kids lost 2 years of school and will never recover. Thousands of small businesses were forced to close and they never reopened. Many people refused the shot and lost their jobs and were prevented from collecting unemployment., Many were forced to take it and had adverse side effects that still persist. Meanwhile we were told that China did not create this in a lab but it mutated in a wet market. Masks were totally ineffective and social distancing was a joke.
Americans are getting sicker while drug companies just push more pills.
When RFK jr is done, I thing he will find that the drug companies are part of the problem and not part of the solution.
This is what they are afraid of and rightly so.

[msc545]

My time is too expensive and valuable to listen to morons. The man has 3 years of law school. I have 14 year of education after high school in human behavior and medicine. Do you really think he knows more than I do?

[exitseven]

@msc5455 So that would be a no. Maybe if you stopped living in an echo chamber and actually tried to see what is right in front of you , you would not be so quick to judge.
And RFK jr attended University of Virginia School of Law. He graduated in 1982 and got his Masters of Law from Pace University in 1987. He also had a degree from Harvard.

[msc545]

He has a law degree that he paid a lot for. So what?

[exitseven]

Do you know that for a fact? I have a CS degree that i paid a lot for too. i worked my ass off to get through the courses to graduate.

[dustybiker2]

@exitseven You find people to fill position before firing them. Anyone with half a brain knows that. These are integral positions with life saving studies that have had funding cut, not kids running a theme park. You can't just find someone off the street.

My guess would be RFK did drugs through all of that and he was only given the degrees because of daddy's payments and his family name. John musr be rolling in his grave.

[msc545]

I respect that you know a lot more than I do about computer science, and I respect that Kennedy knows a lot more about the law than I do, given that you both were professionally educated in these areas. I know a lot more about human behavior and medicine than both of you do, given that I was professionally educated in these areas.

A little respect both ways would be appreciated.

[exitseven]

@msc545 i only call you a jerk in jest.😊😊😊

[msc545]

Same for you. 😊😊😊

[Amy10223]

Kennedy does not believe in science, climate change, vaccines, and other science related subjects, like many who support him and Trump.

[exitseven]

@ No Trump likes him because I do

[Amy10223]

I doubt he knows more than Fauci, the nation'a last infectious disease specialist. Fauci knew more than anyone on the possibilities of Covid and its transmittance--but Trump decided he didn't like all the attention he was getting, being the attention seeker he is, so he fought with him and challenged him with his childish tantrums, even going so far as to suggest people could possibly inject bleach into their veins. Some folks actually died after ingesting sanitizer, hard to believe. No--Kennedy is unqualified --UNQUALIFIED--just so you know, and is UNFIT to do what he does. It's as if Trump handpicked the most unqualified people into his cabinet, with NO experience whatsoever in the job they were assigned to.

[Anonymous]

More proof he thinks himself hitler. Dream on loser.

Article highlighted section. Out of wannabe project 25. "Are we allowed to talk about Project 25 yet. *scoffing laughter*"

RFK said the US had 20% of the worlds covid deaths. Then said he is pissed about mandatory distancing and mask wearing implimentations which were upheld by his orange hero as trump was president at that time...

Slightly off track but whatever, Mike Johnson saying trump is an FBI informent. These people are bottom of the bottom and so stupid. Incapible of holding up lies for him. Hitler would have killed off all of these weak links. They better hope he doesn't immitate that.

[Amy10223]

No. That's what Hitler tried to do with the Germanic people, and trying to make that group, coined "Aryan" people, a master race. The film The Boys of Brazil was based on it. Terrifying.

[exitseven]

Hitler tried to make Germany healthy again?

[msc545]

@exitseven Hitler failed statistics. Eugenics does not work. Here:

“Regression to the mean” is the tendency for extreme measurements to be followed by more moderate ones when there’s a random component.

If you pick a group or an individual at an extreme (very high or very low) on some measure—say, test scores, height, or athletic performance—then test again later, their average score tends to move closer to the population mean.

This happens because extreme scores often combine both underlying ability and random fluctuations. On a second measurement, the random factors usually even out, pulling the score back toward the average.

[msc545]

The concept of regression to the mean actually emerged from Francis Galton’s work in the late 19th century. Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin, was studying heredity—particularly height—and noticed that tall parents tended to have children who were also tall but closer to the population average than the parents, and vice versa for short parents.

He coined the phrase “regression” to describe this “reversion” toward the mean, and his data gave rise to the first regression line.

Galton used these observations to argue for and develop ideas about heredity and, later, for policies and theories that became known as eugenics—the attempt to “improve” human populations through selective breeding.

However, his discovery of regression actually undermines simplistic assumptions about hereditary “improvement”: it shows that extreme traits tend not to persist as extremely in offspring without strong selection and environmental effects.

In the context of eugenics, regression to the mean is a natural limit on how much selective breeding can shift traits in a single generation:

Even if you select for an extreme trait (e. g., height, intelligence), the offspring of those extreme parents will on average be closer to the population mean because of the random (non-genetic) factors and the mixing of genes.

This was (and still is) a caution against overinterpreting single-generation results or assuming linear hereditary “improvement.”

Modern genetics recognizes this as the interplay of additive genetic variance and environmental variance—not a simple “destiny” in genes.

Regression to the mean, coined by Galton in the context of studying heredity, mathematically describes why offspring of extreme parents are likely to be less extreme. Ironically, although the concept arose during early eugenics research, it actually highlights why simplistic hereditary “improvement” schemes are limited and why extreme traits don’t persist as extremes without continuous selective pressure.

[exitseven]

@msc545 If this is true how do you explain the day to day performance of both athletes and high achieving geniuses? They are consistently better performers tht the average person?

[msc545]

@exitseven Yes, but their children are not consistently better, and their grandchildren are even less so, until the means of relevant measures begin to resemble those of group means even more closely.

[msc545]

Regression to the mean is about fluctuations around a person’s own average, not about everyone reverting to the population mean. That’s why you see day-to-day highs and lows even among geniuses or pro athletes. Their “regression to the mean” happens toward their own typical performance, not toward the average person’s performance. top performers often have less variance. They’re not just better on average, they’re more consistent because of better technique, preparation, and mental control. That narrower variability makes their regression-to-the-mean less visible. Regression to the mean doesn’t predict that high achievers will become average. It predicts that their unusually good or bad outliers will return toward their own normal high (or low) level. Their baseline is simply far above the population mean.

[exitseven]

@msc545 True, unless they are mated with another person with exceptional genes.

[msc545]

@exitseven, I don't think you are understanding this. It would not matter who they mated with at all. Genes exhibit temporal changes due to environmental factors like diet, cosmic rays, toxic exposures, and simple prior heredity. There is no such thing as an "exceptional gene".

[msc545]

Even when two high-performers mate, the principle still holds. The “mean” their kids regress to is higher than average, but still closer to the general mean than the parents’ extreme values. This is exactly how regression to the mean was first discovered. The same principle holds true but even more so for each subsequent generation.

[exitseven]

My kids are all genetically enhanced.

[msc545]

@exitseven how can you tell?

[exitseven]

@msc545 They are even more awesome than me

[msc545]

@exitseven Perhaps less self-aggrandizing?

[exitseven]

@msc545 i can't help it if I am awesome.

[msc545]

@exitseven Also modest.

[exitseven]

@msc545 I am the most modest person around.

[Amy10223]

@exitseven Hitler tried to make a master race. He killed 3 million Jews and hated all races but the one he tried to create. If you saw The Boys From Brazil--and excellent movie about his Nazi's and how they were operating around the world, you would see the basic ways in which eugenics was tried with boys around the world. Trump admires Hitler. This is why he is trying to make his own version of America.

[exitseven]

@amy10223 Trumpdoes not admire Hitler. It is talk like this that is getting people killed.

[msc545]

Howxitseven Ho do you know - he acts Hitler-like, Hitler did, and has admired him publicly.

[Just_Ken]

It would screen for genetic defects, genetic incompatibility and seek to enhance certain desired human traits from intelligence to height and stop inherited genetic defects being passed on. Morden medicine encourages genetic defects to be passed on and increases the cases of them.

Eugenic breeding programmes of the past have been shown to work, the most successful one being used by Jews.

[msc545]

Due to the mathematical phenomenon of regression to the mean, eugenics absolutely does not work. However, it remains a favored tool of authoritarian regimes.

[Just_Ken]

The Jews have been using eugenics since 1945 and its worked.
The human rave is currently regressing.

[msc545]

No, it has not worked, Ken. Jews have not been using eugenics.

[msc545]

Users are not stupid enough to believe it works.

[msc545]

Sorry, that should say, "Jews are not stupid enough to believe that it works."

[Just_Ken]

Tay Sachs disease
Tay Sachs disease is a fatal genetic disorder in children that causes progressive destruction of the central nervous system.

This disease is controlled by a pair of genes on chromosome 15. If both genes are inactive the person has the disease and dies very young. If one gene is active the person is perfectly healthy - but they are a carrier of the disease.

If they marry another person who is a carrier there is 25% chance that any child they have will have the disease and a 50% chance that any child they have will be a carrier.

Jewish people with an Ashkenazi background are much more likely to be Tay Sachs carriers than the rest of the population.

Premarital screening
This has been widely done to find people carrying the gene for Tay Sachs disease. In the USA over 70,000 people have been screened for the Tay Sachs gene, and over 100 couples have been discouraged from getting married as a result.

In Israel, screening for carriers has cut the number of Tay Sachs children born to newlywed ultra-orthodox Ashkenazi Jews to zero.

[msc545]

I am very much aware of what this disease is. That does not justify the practice of eugenics one bit and it does not in any way limit the transmissibility or occurrence of this disease.

[msc545]

Screening for the gene that causes this disease. It's an easy way to counsel people to not have children together, but then they just have children with other Jews since very few people comparatively speaking actually carry the gene for the disease.

[Just_Ken]

Exactly. Eugenics works. It worked for the jews. Tay-Sachs Is a serious disease, kills kids before they are 12 and they live a very poor life. Jews had a very serious problem with it before 1945. Something like 1 in 3000 were born with it and nearly all jews.

[msc545]

No eugenics doesn't work and that is not really what eugenics is. Anyway. Eugenics is selective breeding to avoid certain conditions.

[Just_Ken]

Yes selective breeding to prevent Tay-Sachs

[msc545]

That won't work because Tay Sachs will just appear again and again and again, just like it has for many, many, many years. Won't eliminate it by doing this

[Just_Ken]

No its all but disappeared for a reason.

[msc545]

Yes, it has all but disappeared because we can warn people about it before they have children. This is not the same thing as deciding who is allowed to have children with other people and who isn't. That is what eugenics is about.

[Just_Ken]

Its disappeared through eugenics. That is not passing defective genes on.

[msc545]

At what point were Jews telling people who they could have babies with and who they couldn't?

[Just_Ken]

In 1971.
In the US also half of all states ban cousin marraige, not the case in the uk where Pakistani children have higher mortality rates and are over represented in children born with birth defects and special needs are double the national average.

[msc545]

Do it all understand the mathematical concept of regression to the mean?

[Just_Ken]

You can successfully breed out genetic weaknesses with eugenics. Everything from Tay-Sachs to short eyesight.

[msc545]

No, you cannot. It will keep reoccurring because of regression to the mean. That is my entire point.

[Just_Ken]

No it won't keep occurring because the gene isn't passed on.

[msc545]

Doesn't work that way at all.

The key flaw is that eugenicists are confusing reducing the frequency of a recessive disease with eliminating the underlying allele from the population.

For Tay-Sachs, the argument can be rebutted quite directly:

Tay-Sachs disease is autosomal recessive. A person generally has the disease only when they inherit two pathogenic copies of the HEXA gene, one from each parent.
Carriers usually do not have Tay-Sachs disease. A person with one pathogenic copy and one functioning copy can be healthy and reproduce normally.
Therefore, selection against people who actually have Tay-Sachs cannot eliminate the pathogenic allele, because the great majority of copies are carried by people who are phenotypically healthy.
Even if carriers were somehow identified and prevented from reproducing, that would reduce transmission only over generations and only under extremely comprehensive selection. It would not magically "get rid of the gene," and mutation and population movement can also reintroduce or maintain variants.

[Syntosi]

No. Also, considering what he did to horses and dogs, I would not trust the tender guidance of human hands in my genetic evolution.

But honestly, if you want to play God then just use genetic editing and cut out the pointless middleman. There is literally no reason anyone would ever consider eugenics today when we can simply change the DNA ourselves to exactly what we want without having to rely on blind luck.

[Sevenpointfive]

what's the point? they take your money and put it where they want it to go. eugenics, stem cells and cures are going to be researched regardless of what i believe. i won't be the recipient of any of it anyway. there's no benefit for the taxpayer because it's not for the taxpayer. and when it is for the taxpayer, you should be skeptical.

[DrPepper12]

No but I do believe in useful genetic therapies & CRISpR gene editing

[DonaldDarko]

I already agree with his ideas , you don't need to sell me on him.

[Anonymous]

eugenics is inevitable and feminism makes it possible for eugenics to exist, not RFK Jr

abortion alone is already proof of eugenics being widely practiced

[MisterWack]

I oppose eugenics.

[beefcakebradybatson]

I'm black. Why would I?