Should we just accept humans are evil?

[Crimsyjo]

Murder, hate, racism (agism, sexism etc) bullying, abuse, theft, anger, corruption, greed, war...

Are we doomed as a species?

[aceleon]

this is the part choosing between theism or nihilism is something you can't no longer avoid.

unless there is a God who decides things for us and choosed to create us this way to test us there is no such thing as good or bad.

because without a God you are just a bunch of atom particuls merging into one in order to survive and nothing you do is good or bad, it is just self-preservation, there is no difference between me killing you right now and me eating an ice-cream, it was to maximize my own benefit or simply fullfilling a desire, me hurting you for it doesn't make it bad because emphaty is another lie need for survival created for us in that scenario, wşthout a God the one emotion we can call the key of goodness is just another evolutionary tool we developed into fit into a pack structure better, it is still self-serving.

unless you have a God there is neither good or bad, there is benefit, there is egoism, but there is no morality, no other meaning in anything aside from benefit, only the existance of a God who choosed to create things this way make anything have a real meaning.

[Pohjolan]

Firstly that's basically arguing that we should pretend that Santa Claus is real for social cohesion.
Secondly which god? You do realise that ISIS did not do anything unislamic and their god is just as real as yours.
Thirdly morals can be based on others things as well like utilitarianism for a example.

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan 1- santa claus? really? well believe he created you and putted rules on you if you insist on it then? not my problem.
2- i don't know? choose yourself, again not my problem, i choosed islamic one, you can choose hindu gods if you'd like for all i care.
3-no, it can't be, what you call utilitarianism is a flashy nickname for egoism.
so again there would be no morality in it, maybe killing you in the most gruesome ways feels good to me and maximizes my living standarts by bringing me joy?
who decided being a bloodthirsty monster is bad? the society? this is facism not morality.
with utilitarianism there is no objective morality with a solid basis, what you call good is good FOR YOU while it can be terrible for others.

and no their god is not as real as mine, they believe it to be the case and wise versa.
if you don't wanna be a nihilist you can simply choose the religion that makes the most sense to you and volla. the end, at least your morality has a basis now instead of what your self serving egoistic brain says this is good while it is actually bad for another.

[Pohjolan]

@aceleon
The premises between god and Santa are similar. Do what some fictive character tells you to do in hopes of a reward though coals aren't exactly comparable to hell.
You know Muhammad was a warlord, slavery and a rapist? Children have been literally killed for eating ice cream because of your religion. Your religion already permits you to kill me and rape my sister so as far I'm concerned your morality having "basis" is not a positive.
I see you didn't even Google utilitarianism and that's only one example.

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan dude.
i wrote who know how many times that i am a QURANİST MUSLİM
i don't believe in anything that is not written in the quran?
so no, muhammed didn't take slaves and raped anyone if he obeyed the quran.
my religion in the quran doesn't permit any of those things you mention. i'm not from that religion we are separate religions from each other.
i googled it. and that's what i saw, benefit is benefit, aka egoism, no matter how much it looks like it serves others too the moment it clashes with your own benefitting you have no reason to think turning back on your ideals in order to maximize your own benefits and betray others is a bad thing.
i don't wanna have a islamaphobic mutt tossle with you, if you are not going to talk to me with a civil way instead of this lame excuse for a passive aggressive arrogance consider yourself the winner and go live the rest of your very limited existance thinking your morals is anything higher than egoism.
İ DON'T CARE.

[Pohjolan]

@aceleon
"so no, muhammed didn't take slaves and raped anyone if he obeyed the quran."
As a historical figure he did IRL. Also the quran wasn't even written while he was still alive.

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan dude, who do you think quran came first before it was a book?
perhaps... muhammed?
historical figure? tell that to someone who believes in that shit, i have quran, the end for me.
have this debate with a ehli sunnah not me.

[Pohjolan]

@aceleon
Muhammad was dead by the time they wrote the quran so its not like he could have proof read it.
Debate? We know that Muhammad was a warlord with sex slaves. There is no need to debate it or for you to lie about it for that matter.

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan you know? wow, you are 1400 year old and know how to use this type of technology? while cearly not knowing that history is written by people who has no obligation to be moral so a guy who was concidered the messanger of God was a very good tool to use when they wanted to make some evil they will be doing look okay since he did it too.

you know nothing as long as you invented a time machine and saw him do all that.
and even then it wouldn't mean jackshit to be honest since quran itself doesn't defend anyone as blameless.
oh but quran was written while he was alive if you are so adament on believing every story you heard, you believe the stories that he was an evil man but not believe the ones that says quran was already written as a book when he was still alive? hypocrisy fits your idea of utilitarinism i guess.

also why proof read a message he himself takes from God?

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan dude we are not going to achieve anything with bothering each other like this.
so go sell your atheism to someone interested. i don't come to you with god exists argument since you don't believe it but you are still coming to me with stories no matter how much i say i don't believe any of them even the good looking ones.

[Pohjolan]

@aceleon
Stuff was written while Mohammed was alive but it wasn't assembled into the book you call quran until he was dead.
Point is that you are claiming that there is no objective morals without religion yet you base your religion on ignoring parts of it you don't like.
ISIS unfortunately did very little that would be unislamic.

[aceleon]

@Pohjolan i don't know who this İSİS is and i don't care.
dude, learn to read before you come here and sprout nonsense.
i said i don't accept even to good parts if it is not written in the quran.
do you think turning to quran made my religion better for me?
where i ignored the hell was not eternal, there was also a khabir where i could pay for my sins before i even enter hell, there was always read this surah or ayah x times and have x year of sevap points, give zekat only when you get and stay rich for 1 year and it is 1/40 instead of whenever you get your income and no 1/40.
trust me, for my faith i gave up on much better things than the bad ones.
muhammed doing any of those shit didn't have to do anything with me, he could be the scum of the earth and i would still get all the benefits from the things i reject.
but i choosed to believe in real thing instead of human corruption.
you say quran was not a book and i say it was, we won't get an agreement here.
so for the last time drop it.
i don't have to proove my religion to you, wanna believe what you saw in internter? fine, your decision, i don't go around calling you out for being an atheist, left my religion to me and go get a hobby aside from bothering people who are trying to say ''debate is over left me alone''

[Hardon-Collider]

No. That's a lazy way to look at it. You're looking at the effect and calling it the cause. What you're seeing as 'evil' is just people being asleep. It's a symptom of a spiritual problem, not the problem itself. You have to understand that people are actually awake, but they don't know it. They don't know about the divine spark inside them. They think it's just a story or a metaphor. This lack of awareness is the real problem. When people are asleep to their own spirit, they act out of instinct, passion, and fear. They become like sleepwalkers, and the things they do in that state can look very evil from the outside. But it's not who they are at their core. The core is a divine being, a spiritual reality that is capable of love, wisdom, and goodness. The task isn't to accept that we're evil, but to wake up. The more you awaken to your own inner light, the more you can see that light in others. And that's the only way to bring the good into the world.

[just_a_potato]

Probably controversial take, but I believe humans are inherently animalistic and selfish. Always have been always will be. But at the same time, I also believe they don't have to stay that way into adulthood. If they're raised right. But it's really easy not to be raised right, so maybe we wouldn't use such a strong word as evil for like, the general public who aren't commiting heinous crimes, but most are no good.

[Billlewis]

Since when is that a controversial take? We are, after all, animals to begin with, and the worst emotion of all, jealousy, is the driving force behind most of our problems in society, as well as our entire political system.

[just_a_potato]

@Billlewis I called it controversial because I've gotten negative reactions from responding to similar questions like this in the past! Probably because my language was a lot more passionate about how I thought no one was born good lol.

[Simslover92]

Humans are not evil. Yes we all may have some darkness inside of us, some have more than others, but many of us choose good over evil. We can't let recent events overshadow all the good that people do in this world. Yes there's a lot of evil but there is a lot of good too.

[Purpleronnie]

I think through the proliferation of modern media channels it may seem like that at times , we are generally bombarded with what’s wrong with our world daily and many of us regularly add to this with doom scrolling consuming yet more distressing and negative content.
As I see it we aren’t born evil , but rather amoral with a capacity for benevolence or malevolence and then adapt to our environment, wherher it be our home lives our parenting and influencers or society. at large.

[Chazmatazz269]

Acceptance is a copout in that sense. We can be better. We can do better. We can accept that we are not doing our very best and strive to do better.
But just throwing our hands in the air and giving up because being our best selves isn’t as easy as being horrible is a copout.

[NaultD]

We are quite the opposite just by the fact we are able to have writing in the first place and cherry on top internet to communicate from anywhere at any time globally.

Sure there are weak jerk offs who want to ruin the very idea of fun but the power of sharing pet photos is 100x more powerful. Let alone the greater good of the internet.

[WonderingManII]

I'm going to say something that isn't popular. Without Jesus we are doomed as a species. The Bible explains where are corruption comes from. In the book of Genesis. I was born at the end of the 1970's. I thought the 1990's were bad. But I have observed that lately things are getting extremely worse. It seems like the more people turn away from loving each other, as themselves, the worse they get to each other. People don't forgive anymore. They get revenge.

[genericname85]

no. we should acept that not all humans are willing to submit into a harmonic social structure and rather abuse and exploit social systems to their benefit. not all do it. but the few that do it, ruin it for the rest, so we gotta build society around these individuals.

[KostasKouvalis]

Yeah, I've been saying this for a while. We would always talk about people like the Mongols, but look at the Nazis, Stalin, the Khmer Rouge the Rwandans. Those weren't that long ago. And in modern times you have Muslim terrorists, Cartels, mass shooters. Not a whole lot has changed. I genuinely believe humans are inherantly evil and violent and if we didn't have laws against it, most of us would be raping and killing.

[Grond21]

"The line between good and evil runs through every human heart." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

[Crimsyjo]

I think evil is winning. And us nice ones just get hurt. It's hard to see why being kind is worth it?

[Grond21]

That belief will certainly make evil win. After all, good people will always get hurt when fighting evil, but if they don't fight it, then we are lost. But don't lose hope because evil will always lose in the end, and all evil will be turned to a greater good.

[Crimsyjo]

I hope so. ...

[Grond21]

Well done

[midnightmoon05]

I try my best to raise good hearted humans. It’s hard but I try.
others… most are… they have been raised to be not so very nice.

[Kelly6]

@Crimsyjo Yes

As I used to say, humans are very wild and evil creature on earth…

[Crimsyjo]

Think I agree. From. What I keep seeing

[Kelly6]

@Crimsyjo
Exactly same with me

[Berethor]

Ape Shall Never Kill Ape and Nature is Not Nice Tropes, the Animals not more Merciful. :)

[Billlewis]

No. We should start to figure out that in the vast majority of cases today, the most evil individuals are those who loudly claim to be the most morally superior to the rest of us.

[emeraldsaphire]

I don't know that I believe in "evil" Also we are equating "racism, sexism, and agism" To murder and war? Plus Greed and anger aren't even bad

[Dargil]

That is the consequence if free will. But so is..

So perps should be buying Kelvar.

[AviatorTom]

Some humans are evil. You have to remember, though, that without some evil, there could be no good... nothing to compare against.

I'm not giving up on the human race... not yet.

[DonaldDarko]

It's hard to say, people are mean like chimpanzees. We're not domestic animals no on ever tamed or bred us to be gentle, we grow wild like weeds and it shows.

[Anonymous]

yeah and we can start with those libtards celebrating Charlie Kirk's death

[SamIam96]

who?

[ChicoFromThe305]

No never accept evil, we are suppose to avoid such desires or urges, whatever they may be, if anyone feels like a bad person they should try their hardest to be a good one.

[InknKink]

No one is pure. Darkness lies in the depths of all of us. Cultivation is key.

[Crimsyjo]

Yes it does. Tho some people try to be pure. And j7st get hurt by the majority that aren't. I don't believe in heaven. Is there a point to trying to be "a good one" ?

[InknKink]

Trying to be all of one thing and nothing of another is simply denial of self. We need to learn about ourselves, the good and the bad. And we need to have healthy ways to express those aspects of our personalities.

Good and evil. They are symbiotic with one another.

As for the pure... the worst atrocities are always committed under the guise of something good. The purist of intentions will reap the most evil of outcomes.

[TonyMetal___86]

Not everyone are like this, but certainly there's a big war since the dawn of time between the power of light and the power of darkness, between being a good person and being a bad person!

In the end, the good will eventually win!

[Bricealan]

@Crimsyjo I cannot see the long-term survival of the human race as it is now. Some other species will evolve

[Miristheiss]

Of course they are evil. Of course. That has never been in question. That is kind of why we need saving and cannot do it ourselves.

[Pohjolan]

To a extent but we are not as evil as we used to be. Like slavery was a moral improvement at a time.

The nazis lost the war, USSR is no more and ISIS is today just another terrorist group.

It is a eternal struggle.

[Flowersareawsome22]

Yes I been discriminated for being a Jehovah Witness.

[Tamera952]

No no at all. Don’t be silly. They all May end up that way, but they don’t start out that way!

[AaronKrieger]

No, it's not that black and white. It's easy to think that it is, but it's not.

[Anonymous]

No. If you're feeling evil then speak for yourself, don't drag the rest of us into your generalizations.

[Crimsyjo]

I'm not evil but I'm not pure either. And I just seem surrounded by evil intentioned people lol

[Nerdvana]

Most people are not evil, maybe a little selfish, but not evil. And we are not doomed because some people are evil, we are doomed because good people let evil happen.

[nawtee_me]

Yes we are but there is hope in Jesus Christ where there is a new heaven and a new earth without corruption….

[Crimsyjo]

I give and give and am nice but just get evil people use me for my goodness. Even in school days. I don't believe in heaven so why do I keep being nice just to be hurt?

[nawtee_me]

You keep being nice for that one nice guy you haven’t run into yet…. I wish it was me…. lol

[Fireguy17]

Not all people are like that.
Those are just the ones that make the news.

[DrPepper12]

Yes. In the right crucible we are capable.

Maybe we should destroy the crucible?

[soe11]

• I do think personally should not be accepted.

[noohair]

Humans, by our nature are greedy and selfish. Humans have used violence as a problem solving tool since the beginning of our species.

[Mcluven101]

We all sinners. Free will is a gift but also a curse. These things have been happening for thousands of years and will continue to happen. Don't stress yourself about it.

[braxxx79]

As a species yes. When we see and treat each other as individuals is where I see hope and decency and empathy. Empathy is a muscle you have to exercise it.

[Anonymous]

W a t c h t h e m

the universe and humans are good and evil and no changing DUALITY

[Anonymous]

We all have the capacity for evil. I don't think that is the same thing as being evil.

[Hellraiser1984]

If Satan is real I agree with him about humanity. We're completely irredeemable as a species.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Your looking at this all wrong. Plenty of good things happen in the world some humans are bad but the majority are good.

[Anonymous]

Most humans are, but probably not all the humans.

Also, some humans are simply neutral.

[fish5505_87]

Unfortunately, we are! however, I am an optimist, maybe we can change!

[Agape93]

I already do.

[InfoSeeker88]

We are if we dont figure out how to stop judging pthers and allowing all the hate!

[Sal_Monella]

That's the downside of free will.

[chrissykerdock]

would have to killing raping is horrific

[CubaPirate]

Definitely 👍

[Awantika03]

Yes yes

[Crimsyjo]

Haha. OK. but it's hard to just forget everyone and be alone sigh

[WhatIsYourZodiac]

In 2025 yes we are doomed.

[loveslongnails]

For the most part, yes.

[es20490446e]

The accurate phrase is:
Some humans are evil.

[Staximus]

The world has never been a fair place