Was Charlie Kirk the greatest president America never had?

[exitseven]

I read this today and wondered what Charlie would have accomplished in his life. I thought of the possible dream team of a Vance - Kirk ticket in 2028.

Too bad we will never find out.

[WhiteSteve]

Why did you never talk about this guy when he was alive, and now he’s sainted all of a sudden?

[exitseven]

@WhiteSteve This is a good question - I have been thinking the same thing. I was aware of Charlie Kirk. He and Ben Shapiro were the two most notable young conservatives of their time. They were frequently on FOX news and they were on social media.
Turning Point was a huge organization and they had an annual national convention that was much like CPAC that could draw major conservative politicians and other conservative figures. And I believe Charlie Kirk had his own podcast.
I am a little surprised at the extent of the outcry of this heinous act. Mr. Kirk's funeral will be hald in Arizona at a stadium that can hold 60,000 people. President Trump ordered the FBI to pull out all the stops to make an arrest in this crime. They had the killer under arrest within 33 hours. Trump will posthumously award Charlie Kirk the President's Medal of Freedom, the highest honor given to a civilian. Not to mention all the news coverage that is still going on.

[dustybiker2]

Nobody knew who he was.

[Hardon-Collider]

i had to click off of his videos because i didn't have the nerve to hear out the stupidity he was facing from the left. He patiently heard them out and talked to them. almost like a therapist.

It's like they killed the only therapist they had because nobody else has the nerve to listen to their insane shit.

[goaded]

The FBI incorrectly claimed to have had the killer twice, then the real one turned himself in to the local police. Trump sat on the news that a murdering sniper was no longer at large for hours so he could announce it live on Fox.

[lightbulb27]

@dustybiker2 Most whom are on the right knew of him... because when you watch "right stuff" you get these feeds. Candace owens can show up, etc.. . Your google feed probably lacks such people if you are watching more left sources. The search engines just give us more of what we looked at in the past.

I used to watch TYT (The young turks to get their view)... so search would feed that. I stopped, and they drop out and it feeds other stuff more right. It's all about selling clicks/advertisements so it feeds what you want but especially... what will grab your attention.

Just fyi... so you have more awareness of your search systems.

[dustybiker2]

@lightbulb27 I don't use google. I use duckduckgo with the filter off...

@goaded Patels FBI had false collar three in custody when the kid was turned in by the paster.

[WhiteSteve]

Go down the line for me and tell me which of these statements you would endorse of someone who should be the President, and in what ways it would make you confident that he’d be a President for ALL Americans, not just people conservatives approve of…
youtube.com/shorts/2QkRUUUlFKY?si=0g0mn711oaUwbtYH

[lightbulb27]

@dustybiker2 the most visited sites filter or some other? I use that as well...
I really meant youtube, but searches same issue.

[Hardon-Collider]

@WhiteSteve OMFG, even I, someone who posts around that the bible is an occult book and must not be allowed into hands of those who only interpret it in a literal way, am disgusted by how Charlie is treated just because he was a church boy.

as you people call it, "you lost me"

at the very first sentence. It is what you call "debunked" many times over.

I specifically looked up the clip that you insinuate has charlie proposing stoning fags as a solution.

Where he responded to an LGBT-interpretation of "love your neighbor" bible verse.

He stated (as he interprets the bible literally) what god's ideal law is.

Charlie insisted that someone who is bible-thumping verses about "love your neighbor", should not cherry pick, and should also look at the description of the ideal design, the fertile and functional way to make a family.

In other words he tried to correct those people who specifically put "christian god" and "lgbt" in one bucket. He specifically in that clip argued with other christians who want to discuss sexuality and the ideal law, because it was offensive to him that she called god lgbt.

if you cannot get that sorted out, you are deranged. If he really advocated stoning people to death he would long be in jail. It's the leftist BLM rioters who stone people to death.

[WhiteSteve]

@Hardon-Collider I believe his direct quote was something to the effect of “The Bible says [whatever that thing is about not laying with a man as you would a woman], and that you should be stoned to death for it, SO I’M JUST SAYIN’…”

Please don’t try to rebrand his words in death. I don’t even think he’d want you softening his views for him posthumously. He said what he said, we all know it, we all heard it when he was alive, and it’s the whole reason we didn’t like him in the first place. Now he’s dead and we want to say “well what he ACTUALLY meant was…..” Please don’t piss on our legs and tell us it’s raining.

I can’t just sit here and pretend like people aren’t scouring the Bible looking for any way to spin scripture to back up their own bigotry and try to make it “protected”🙄 The rest of us aren’t stupid.

But you couldn’t even mention homosexuals yourself without calling them a slur, so I’m guessing you’re a backwards caveman too🤷‍♂️

[dustybiker2]

@WhiteSteve Thanks for sharing that, been looking for a clear compilation.

[exitseven]

@dustybiker2 They sure know who he was now.

[dustybiker2]

@exitseven Shit load of good it does him now. Maybe if he had less hate he would have been more popular.

[Hardon-Collider]

@dustybiker2 i found as many mistakes as possible in my previous posts and made this video in an attempt to correct the misinformation.

Most of this video is meant to convince people that israel is on the wrong side of the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otNolbXS22Y

[exitseven]

@dustybiker2 liberals cannot handle the truth. that is what got him killed.

[goaded]

No, what got him killed was too many young men who have been brought up to think killing is an answer to problems and handed guns from an early age.

[lightbulb27]

So much for being tolerant and accepting of everyone. Reality of many is they only tolerate what they believe to the point they justify killing people that disagree with them. Multiple assassination attempts is a problem. Now they are going to get themselves cancelled... which can fuel more political problems..

[dustybiker2]

@goaded 👍🏻

[Hardon-Collider]

he was literally funded by the same israel that faked October 7th to justify a genocide.

mainstream media on both political parties is literally paid for by the same israel. who kirk talked about also, israel sending jeffrey epstein to keep the American politicians on the hook and maintain control over the entire MSM, on both sides.

Is it any surprising that in this very comment section, people say "political divide is the issue" while propagating even more political divide?

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 In recent years, 520 people got killed by right-wing actors, 42 by the left.

The cancelling isn't a result of anyone's comments about Kirk, he said much worse about Floyd, it's a movement to control the media and make it bow down to Trump, just like every dictator needs.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded what I glanced at didn't se that. either way, if they believe what they are doing and saying they should stand and fight on their rights to free speech. The founders stood and fought to the death to protect those rights and others and weak nbc won't stand and defend what that show was doing? Why?

Because they are wrong...
others have said it... nobody know whom CK was but they know JK and it's prime time.
They should re-think their show and it's content, good time to take a breather and think harder. hopefully they and others do... like snl.

I doubt they are capable of it... it's like any other relationship where people walk into the therapist and point fingers at the other.

There's no defending making jokes around CK murder by assassination or anyone elses. If they do they should apologize. Trump maybe fair game but is often distorted and it doesn't help matters. Time to rethink...

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 files.mastodon.online/.../2e6dc42469a045cb.jpeg

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 What did Kimmel say, that was so terrible, exactly? What did he say about Kirk?

Kimmel said the "Maga gang" was "desperately trying to characterise this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" and of trying to "score political points from it". True, and not about Kirk.

"This is not how an adult grieves the murder of someone he calls a friend. This is how a four-year-old mourns a goldfish," he said. (Talking about Trump's reaction to being asked how he's holding up, which was basically "fine, now look at my ballroom".)

The administration, the government, then threatened the network with removing their licence, just like Trump had already said they were going to.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded then they should fight it. I wouldn't be cracking jokes near an assasination. Lets do this... have Kimmel show write some humor around George Floyds death/murder. Or the assassination of John Lennon. Lets see how that goes over...
It's just humor right?
I tend to agree with you that this is freedom of speech though, they should stand and fight. But I support their (nbc) decision to table it and put something else on.
But I don't care, I don't watch it.
I only saw blurbs of it I don't need to see anymore of the drama.

[lightbulb27]

Call up nbc and ask your question. And have them switch it up... write some joks on this story:
www.fox8live.com/.../
Can have AI write it for you... how a black man went road rage after thinking someone shot at him and murdered a 17yr old... her child will never see her mother.
That should be really funny to lots of lefties in the big city especially if he was a trump voter.
Disgusting... my point is how messed up all this media is... hope you can see that, might be hard to see...

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 Ah, yet another example of guns not killing people in the US.

You didn't see what he actually said, yet you approve of the government pressuring companies to cancel him.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded I watched snippets of it, minute or two. I dont' watch this stuff... like I said, call up nbc/disney, but I agree with decision to pull them out. Walt would be rolling in his grave with what htey have going on.

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 “The Fascist State lays claim to rule in the economic field no less than in others.” Mussolini - you should be raging about what the government is demanding, not about what a comedian says about them, thinking the government is telling the truth.

This is their way to get around the first amendment, shake down businesses to ensure they bend the knee to Trump.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded ok.
But I cannot blame Trump for his reaction either. Like I said, spend a month cracking jokes and making fun of other people and see how it goes. It won't go well. The left are closet fascists too. They hit Trump with many lawsuits... now he's using the same and possibly, he'd win defamation case and yank licenses... which is why they bridled the JF show. Biden wis bridling parents at school boards and other places. It is our political times of control... not ideal.
I think in times like this grandma was right... if can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Go ahead and protest nbc to fight to the death for their freedom of speech if you wish...
As Jesus said "words are like swords"... and "do not put the lord thy God to the test".
lots of wisdom that would save lives and prevent problems in the first place...

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 "The left are closet fascists too" No, they're not, and the right isn't closeted any more.

Trump is POTUS, Obama and Biden endured fewer jokes because they didn't do things like boast about building a ballroom when they're being asked about a death or claim 300 million people died of drugs last year. They did receive many death threats.

Trump was hit with lawsuits and indictments because he was almost certainly guilty of the things they said. Trump is "hitting back" with a lawsuit against the paper that said there was a birthday message to Epstein from Trump, which Trump claimed didn't exist and has since been published. You really think he's going to win that?

Worse than that, he's transparently using the power of government to force companies to censor themselves, in direct contradiction to the first amendment. "Do what I want or you won't get that merger." "Do what I want or spend millions defending yourselves against a SLAPP suit with POTUS defaming you every day."

Do you really believe that all those boxes of documents didn't exist, or that the audio of him showing classified war plans to admirers wasn't real? Or even that a few documents found abandoned in boxes by Biden is remotely similar (a Trump-appointed prosecutor explained in detail why it wasn't)?

Nobody was targeting people at school boards who weren't illegally threatening people harm.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded he's using what was used against him. they have the $ so they can defend what they say. he keeps winning many suits... various ones just paid him lots of cash. gross, but it's the game they play. NBC backed down... because they'd lose... and they were wrong?
it IS a problem having someone with his personality at the top... that's the risk voters took voting him in. but it's to some extent what they voted for, and many smart and successful support and behind him. A lot of the pain you see and feel others felt under Biden.

the knowledge of good and evil at play... "I can't see the evil I do"... everyone could wear a shirt like that at this point.

precarious times. People need to calm down.

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 "NBC backed down... because they'd lose... and they were wrong?" Not according to most experts. They're bribing Trump to get things they want or avoid government interference in their business.

You didn't answer my question about the stolen documents case, or whether Trump is going to lose his suit against the NYT concerning the document (birthday wishes with the image of a young woman and text about shared beautiful secrets) they reported existed, and Trump claimed didn't, has now been published and is in the hands of Congress.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded Mr goad, I think the spirit of your question is finding the truth and agreeing to that. That's great, but I don't know what it is. I'm less engaged in the discourse... I'll let the officials deal with the noise. One of trumps strengths is focusing on goals, always was a "get it done" person., so I'll look to policies and what I agree /disagree with than the noise which has gone on for 10yrs. He's got plenty of difficult issues... some have gone as bad as biden's time.
CK assissinated by a selfish snot nosed brat mentally ill brat caught my eye and it's sad to see people cheeky if not cheery about that, that's a sign. The media spin that fans flames is bad... lack of empathy. Trump behavior... he's kinda whacky so can see poking fun, but that's whom he is. I watch him directly and he's tolerable usually. Chop him up, he looks like huge idiot. thus free speech, but I'd tread lightly around assassination as he was shot in the head... attempted twice and one guy was murdered... and a few others. It's a real problem, not a joke. Where is JK standing up talking about this issue like he did with George Floyd.. the care and compassion and perspective? That be better, those writers aren't capable of writing that yet. After they get "whacked a bit", maybe they will... lol... not... it's nyc, they can't think outside the "mind meld".
I get all this within family... the perspective gap is huge with some on this view and others on the other side. It's driven by media and perception. That is what trump goes after next I suspect. And that... might go really bad given the viewpoint of "fascist takeover".
Peace! But the only peace you will get in this world is Christ. That's my bet.

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 "as bad as biden's time" there you go again.

"it's sad to see people cheeky if not cheery about that", except they weren't. People have reacted to the MAGA people claiming Kirk was the pope when he was a horrible person who thought nothing of telling women they should stay in the kitchen, saying black people are stupid, and gay people should be stoned to death.

In particular Kimmel called out MAGA for doing exactly what they are doing, and they promptly got his show cancelled based on lies and threats from the government. You already admitted you didn't watch Kimmel "directly", try it. He doesn't say anything bad about Kirk, just MAGA's fake reaction.

I mean, here is the NYPost edit of the monologue. You'll notice that Kimmel plays clips of Trump behaving exactly the way he described.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATqJc2MjDY

Feel free to tell me the context where 300 million drug overdoses isn't stupid. Or where a ballroom is more important than a life to anyone but Trump.

[lightbulb27]

@goaded it's funny to watch no doubt and he kinda freaked the reporters, that I believe. But whats the context. he just speaks out his hat all the time, his emotions are somewhere else. I came ot accept that over the other options. question is the JF edit... true? To determine that Id have to watch all engagements in order from when he found out. I've seen a few blips. I think there's no recognition of what such a person deals with, so there is no consideration of him as a human being... like he's a machine. That's the unfair part.

Do an experiment for me... have a friend of yours shoot you in the ear from 30 paces... get that patched up. It has to be a random surprise though like when you are sitting on your deck. A cheap subsitite would be your friend jabbing you in the ear about 10 times with a razor or jumping into a wasps nest. After a few months when there's another tragedy, we'll ask your opinion of it... but only after asking you 30 other questoins on #1 priority issues and Fing with you for a few hours. We'll record and see the results. Maybe this should be done as part of a $1m research grant at a university so we can study Sociology better.
I said the same about Biden as well... people don't respect the person or what they are going through. He was in effect saying..."I don't want to talk about it". He doesn't process his emotion well, but that seem understandable in a way.

There is no humanity... only coldness. Can people even think or feel anymore? Maybe he's an old guy, got a lot going on and he already shed his emotions. Personally, 'd be sick of the media after 2 days in that job. He handles them better than I would.

I don't know what you are talking about 300 million, don't care.

[goaded]

@lightbulb27 What was the joke Kimmel told about Kirk's death? ↗

[Iron_Man]

Maybe so I don’t really know too much about him, though just heard about him after his death

[Chazmatazz269]

Watch his videos. You will enjoy him. I’m sure of it.

[Chazmatazz269]

https://youtu.be/orVZu8PIxPc?si=MNjggzXBJFxTIIRw

[Iron_Man]

@Chazmatazz269 i’ve heard a little bit, but it’s very depressing knowing what happened

[Chazmatazz269]

I agree. I’m more hurt than i have any right to be. I hope you can get through it on the upside.

[Iron_Man]

Thanks for the award

[Hardon-Collider]

i think we feel a sense of wrongness hearing about this story because just like 911, it is unnecessary suffering, and it is deliberate act of terrorism, and not only that, but the official narrative is a twisted lie, blaming someone who did not do it directly even though they wanted to (back then alqaeda, now the furries) the fact that we are blaming the wrong group makes this feel off, and evil.

You really believe a liberal weakling gooner just out of the blue made this difficult shot without practice? A gooner so rotten to the point they inscribe "notices bulge" on the ammo? that he can bypass security and aim? That he can run and jump on and off roofs while the rifle is hidden inside his pants?

speaking of bypassing security, students filmed him,



yet these men in black positioned on the opposite rooftop missed him? What's he doing on the top left corner of this clip?



so even after the gunshot, they still did not notice him? Instead, this George zinn was arrested instead, who is a known crisis actor also famously interviewed about 911 https://youtu.be/6lxRy5bt-ok

why was he arrested and believed to be the suspect for an entire day, with all the students seeing someone else on the roof?

but wait. Witnesses heard the shot originating from nearby:



here is exactly where the bullet came from, and explains why so much blood rushed out of charlie's left side (entry wounds don't do that) - the bullet entered from the right, exited from his left.



and the signs were not random

[Chazmatazz269]

He would have been one of the all-time greats, for sure. I saw a post in which someone compared him to John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King jr. It just clicked. Great men with large followings are powerful. People like that don’t typically fare well against the establishment.
One of the arguments against “make America great again” is “America” was never great. Only an ignorant person would make that argument. But if we dial down the extremism and are willing to acknowledge that the USA has always had room for improvement, then the conversation can move forward. How amazing would the country be if we could get to a place where people like JFK, MLK jr. and Charlie James Kirk would never be antithetical to the establishment and marginalized by it? How would we even get there?

[Ariesman81]

https://youtube.com/shorts/YbzRlcZfZDc?si=39xhDmK5UGHErhws

The man most deserving of power is usually the one who doesn't want it.

[Flowersareawsome22]

Charlie would be a perfect leader from what I see , Charlie did follow Christian standards.

[goaded]

I can see the dawn stonings of gay people right now. Magnificent!

[Flowersareawsome22]

@goaded I'm not into politics it's just a comment I made.

[goaded]

And Kirk was in to stoning gay people. Are you good with that? It's in the bible,

[Anonymous]

yes. everyone from his supporters and allies to his enemies and haters knew he was gonna be president one day

AOC and Jasmine Crockett would stand no chance against him, older Democrats like Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer can forget it

only Nick Fuentes stands the most chance against Charlie Kirk and I think Nick would make a great president too

[exitseven]

I heard Rush Limbaugh comment that the first time he met Bill Clinton he knew that he would be president someday. He said it was the same with Charlie Kirk.

[Opinion Owner]

Charlie Kirk's death in the political world was equivalent to Kobe Bryant's death in the basketball world. it leaves a huge hole and a lot of what ifs

[WhiteSteve]

Nick Fuentes is looking like the reason he’s dead. Fuentes hated Kirk, for somehow not being extreme enough

[WhiteSteve]

Not directly, but one of Fuentes’ “Groyper army”

[Opinion Owner]

@WhiteSteve Nick wants to debate Charlie, not kill Charlie

Nick has made it clear to his audience repeatedly

it's easy to point the finger at a non-establishment figure because the government won't defend him

Charlie's assassin looks no different to the murderer who tried to assassin Nick a few months ago

[Hardon-Collider]

@WhiteSteve this is laughable, that man can afford to bribe everyone to kill kirk, someone who had more in common with him than just about anyone in the world?

[Hardon-Collider]

Nick's attempted assassin was chased by cops and killed though.

He wanted to debate charlie because of zionism, and lately charlie spoke out on zionism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1NUTMoKPw

so there is nothing left for them to disagree that much upon.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Sure, if you have a Meth, crack, coke and heroin breakfast and drink corn liquor for lunch !!!

[exitseven]

I suspect that Charlie Kirk never touched illegal drugs in his life. Can you say the same thing?

[seeyounexttuesday]

@exitseven you’re dealing with a Canadian who pretends to be black. The elevator doesn’t go all the way up to the top floor on this one.

[exitseven]

@seeyounexttuesday I think there are black people in Canada.

[seeyounexttuesday]

He ain’t one of them.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Yep.

[beefcakebradybatson]

Kirk was stoned on racial and other hatreds, pardner !!!

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yawn. You’re so boring.

[beefcakebradybatson]

About four percent.

[seeyounexttuesday]

Is that your IQ?

[sage2021]

I had never heard of him until he was killed. But then I don't have anything to do with universities either.

[Bricealan]

@exitseven People everywhere seem to have the ability to destroy things that may have been to their great benefit, in time. Who knows what JFK and Bobby Kennedy, might have, accomplished if so crazy son-of-a-bitch had not killed both of them.

[AviatorTom]

At only 34 in 2028, Charlie wouldn't have been old enough to run, Constitution requires at least 35. He might have been a very good candidate in 2032 but that will never happen now.

[exitseven]

He would be 35 on October 14, 2028. just makes it.

[AviatorTom]

@exitseven Thanks for that. I figured 2032 was more likely.

[exitseven]

I heard somebody talking about this today. These two guys with their diverse backgrounds and ability to debate and engage people would be unstoppable. They would have Trump as a backstop and by 2028 the nation should be in a new golden age.

[Anonymous]

I am not religious, but I liked how he debated political opponents and did not resort to name calling. He respected people with different beliefs than himself. You can see it if you watch videos of him on college campuses.

[bingbongbangbung]

Except when it came to asking about stuff Israel did

[Lliam]

Not my cup of tea. I didn't agree with him about much. In fact, I never paid attention to him. I'm not interested in listening to people spout the opinions. I avoid "influencers".

[Apple1996]

I dont think a dude who rage baited kids on college campuses would have made a good president

[Chazmatazz269]

You’re probably right. But that has nothing to with Charlie Kirk. You’re only demonstrating your ignorance by saying such things.

[Anonymous]

Yes. That is one of the worst parts of all of this. He was only 31. He was a rising star and would have been an amazing president. Just what this country needs.

[SuperZonicGUY1992]

Only Democrat should be allowed to drink Tequila.

It should be against the law for Republicans to but tequila or bit any Mexican food. Only Democrats have should be allowed to eat Mexican food.

[Cidknee]

I was contemplating Charlie running for president a few weeks ago. I figured he'd be a shoe in. Articulate, obviously he was sharp as a tac, and a good Christian. A leader with a solid temperament.

[dustybiker2]

Pfft

[exitseven]

4 letter word?

[dustybiker2]

No. A quick release of air in embarrassment for you. Then moved on.

[Jennz6]

Could have been

[Jennz6]

@exitseven
But Charlie Kirk didn’t want to be the President

[Anonymous]

Yes, and that’s probably why the left killed him.

[DrPepper12]

Al Gore. GTFOH with Kirk.

[goaded]

500 votes in one state run by the brother of the other candidate. Maybe no 9/11, certainly no Iraq war, continuation of the surplus until it could be spent on making people's lives better...

[seeyounexttuesday]

Yes.

[NYlatefun]

Lol the brainwash is strong in this one!

[Anonymous]

Have you heard of the nuremberg trials?

[Shiprex]

No he was not

[RedInnocent69]

God, no… 🙄

[jimmy2]

Who knows now