Are labels forcing us into weird political divides?

[OddBeMe]

[contentious]

Who's the retarded commie in the video that thinks he "cooked" someone because they wouldn't claim to be part of a designated terrorist organization and a member of the paramilitary wing of the Communist party of Germany? Lefties are retarded. What funniest is that "Action" is theological concept in the Fascist religion and ANTIFA subscribes to it fully. Many ANTIFA members were Nazis during the war and Stasi after WWII into the Cold War. All the Hegelians are retards. If you owe your allegiance to a foreign paramilitary group which is linked to the Communist party and a foreign nation as well as being designated a terrorist organization, you've already broken a dozen American laws of the most serious nature... You might want to real the Law of War Manual, anticommunist laws, treason laws, domestic terrorist laws, etc. Quite frankly you're fucked and you will disappear into a hole so deep and dark that you will never see daylight again. To admit that on video... That's just crazy... So long...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

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[contentious]

One of the three methods of execution for treason is the electric chair. It would be interesting if that was his final sentence. By making that video he very well may have cooked himself...

[contentious]

He made that shit a day ago? That's crazy... Even after being a designated terrorist organization and seeing drug cartels that were designated terrorist organizations just a short time ago getting vaporized he still out there asking to get droned striked? smh Dumb kid. What a complete lack of self awareness.

[TwoToTooTutu2]

It's more than just labels. But yes. And people will follow the lines of their labels into oblivion.

[msmissydc]

Antifa is not a label! The right wants to use it as a label because they want facism. It can't be much clearer.
Antifa is and will always be just that Anti facism. The only reason antifa is often and wrongly considered left wing is, because one form of right wing extremism is facism. You can easily be right wing and antifa. Hell we want that because antifa is at least democratic.
Also lets make one point clear. The only change in meaning, that antifa has actually gone under is that its also against neo-facism, which people today mean when they say facism. The original historic facism is part of it but not all that facism is today.

So loud and clear "alerta alerta antifacista! Siamo tutti antifascistia"

[Hardon-Collider]

are you a republican?

"A republic is a form of government where power rests with the people, who typically elect representatives to make laws and govern on their behalf, rather than a monarch or hereditary ruler..."

[msmissydc]

No. Republics are not bad but that doesn't make me a republican. Democracy is essential that doesn't make me a democrat either. Well in theory yes but not in a way americans use the words.

[Hardon-Collider]

same point with this antifa nonsense. multiple organizations call themselves antifa. just because you oppose fascism doesn't mean you have a membership in all of these organizations.

[msmissydc]

Antifa is not an organization though.

[msmissydc]

The difference is, that no organization calls itsel the antifa. People can be antifa, opinions can be antifa, you can work towards an antifa goal but it's not an organization. There is no structure or leadership.

[BadApple69]

Please Google this: “what year was antifa founded”.
Antifa is an organization and not “an idea”. They were founded in 1932 by the communists to combat the rise of the Nazi Party.
Even today you have to admit when they show up in buses, with matching shields, signs and attire…. They are organized. Not just a bunch of church goers out for a Sunday walk. Someone pays for the buses, and accessories. That means organized.

[msmissydc]

So I did what you said and google exactly what you said "antifa, a broad and decentralized political movement comprising individuals and groups who believe that fascism continues to pose a unique threat to democratic and peaceful societies and must be combatted through extraordinary, radical, and, in some cases, violent and illegal means."

It was not founded. The term was coined by anti Nazi protests, yes but that was a multiparty thing. You do know the difference between a movement and an organization right?
Ironically church IS an organization with funding etc. So yeah its not a bunch of church people.

[Hardon-Collider]

@msmissydc you can go another route: look up pictures and videos of "antifa"

I hate what fascist states like israel are doing, but i am not antifa. i am not rioting my western country. i am not running around with hateful slogans, face masks, middle fingers in the air and doing vandalism.

[msmissydc]

The fact that you guys try to attack antifa without even knowing stuff about it tells me more about you than anything else. There is another quite simple reason for this. "If you Are anti antifa you are FA!" Because there is no real other reason, as that is the only thing that antifa has in common. Being against facism and facist.

[Hardon-Collider]

@msmissydc No, what they also have in common across multiple countries is they are paid by zionists to riot, then the zionist politicians say "see, these antifa are the same people who support palestine! therefore destroying palestine will stop the rioting here!"

[msmissydc]

So the antifa that is protesting against the genocide in israeo is also the one getting paid by zionist?🤣🤣🤣🤣 that is some maga level brain gymnastic there.
So you obviously have proof of the payments right? No one would be shouting such nonsense without proof, right?

[Hardon-Collider]

anyone with half a brain can figure it out, funding the opponent and then crying that you are a victim is top of the jew's playbook. like it was here: www.nytimes.com/.../...ar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

or the fucktard aired his plans on tv: x.com/.../1720923597873549554?lang=bg

but if you literally need receipts then I can provide a copy of a jew billionaire funding antifa:

www.opensocietyfoundations.org/.../past

x.com/sunrisemvmt/status/1798368263682072658

[msmissydc]

Non of that is relevant for the argument. You still haven't shown proof of antifa receiving funds, thats what you told was happening. You showed actual organizations yes. But they are not antifa. They share their values but if you dont, than fuck of facist!

[Hardon-Collider]

@msmissydc are you defective?

there are thousands of receipts on this billionaire jew's website directly to those who scream "fight fascism" while rioting, such as the one i linked.

[msmissydc]

So you recognize antifa is not an organization because otherwise it would say it in the recipe. So again, you failed to show how it is an organization which was my point. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

[BadApple69]

Antifa is just like BLM. Black Lives Matter BUT they never donated any funds to black people, they didn’t go to Chicago where 50+ people every weekend get shot by other black people. They loot, they riot and they destroy while their founders buy mansions in rich white neighborhoods. They are NOT what they claim to be.

Antifa are not anti-fascists… their techniques are those of the fascist. They try to silence who they disagree with. They harass, beat up and even kill who they disagree with. Antifa ARE the fascists. As fr being an organization. There is money going to Antifa they have supplies and buses supplied. Someone is organizing them. Are they a registered organization? No, but they are organized! So saying they are not an organization is just a technicality. And I really believe they are organized more than you know.

[msmissydc]

So if I organize a party and invest imto alcohol for that party that party becomes a funded organization. That's your definition of an organization. Its not how real life works though.
Everything else is astonishing.

[msmissydc]

You define antifa by people who are funded and are rioting. Nowhere does it say antifa or does anything antifa like. You just say its antifa because you dislike antifa. Am I following here?
I stand by the point if you are anti-antifa you are FA!
Also you kinda got the point, antifa does kill those that disagree with them or at least they try. The U. S. Army during WW2 for example was a prime example of antifa. They killed nazis and shut down their propaganda. So yeah I agree on that part. Antifa does kill and silence those that disagree with them. Trump making everything that could be considered antifa illegal is highly suspicious and it's crazy how you don't see that or don't want to see it. You fell right into his trap and that as his sorry ass supporters🤣

[BadApple69]

Ok we are debating over something that isn’t all that important. They are organized and big money backs them AND pays many of them to protest.
And the best part is they are now classified as a terrorist organization.
And you comparing buying some alcohol for a party is a ridiculous comparison.

You buying alcohol, renting 10 large busses to get your friends to the party, buying outfits, masks, shields AND paying to have piles of bricks stacked around your party area….. that would be a better comparison.

[msmissydc]

The comparison was that you s id beibg organized is an organization, which I just showed you isn't the case.
So you actually want facism. If thats the case any discussion is useless I agree.
But I do think fighting facism is important.

[BadApple69]

I agree fighting fascism is important. But what I disagree with is that Antifa actually fights fascism. Looting stores isn’t fighting fascism, burning buildings isn’t fighting fascism. In 2020 (the summer of love) there were 2 billion dollars in insurance claims from those clowns “fighting fascism”.
I can call something a “cancer cure” that doesn’t mean it actually cures cancer. Antifa don’t really fight fascism.

[msmissydc]

Whenever I try to find antifa riots it always shows me georg floyd riots. Is that what you mean by burning buildings and antifa riots.
Trumps action specifically call out antifa attacks agains SS officers, Sorry I meant ice agents. Yes that fits. Ice is doing facist actions so antifa tries to stop them. Again making antifa illegal is the same as saying I am a facists. Trump did that, and they are going against facist.

[BadApple69]

If you are against something doesn’t make you the opposite. Antifa killed a Trump supporter in 2020 just because he had a MAGA hat on. So using your logic you agree with Antifa shooting a guy because he has a MAGA hat? If you disagree with shooting that guy you must be a fascist … right?

[AviatorTom]

Labels mean nothing unless someone makes them mean something, and usually that's something that they are not.

Though the group ANTIFA is anti-fascist, the label ANTIFA does not mean simply anti-fascist. Rather, it refers to a specific group of people who are trying to get their political beliefs in the mainstream using covert tactics.

For a more thorough description of the ANTIFA movement, please see this Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

[msmissydc]

Antifa is not a real group. But yes antifa should be mainstream because not being antifa means facism is mainstream. Sadly that is already the case.

[ohsheeT]

Word are just words

Republican and Democrat are the same exact things except for they use different words. But they're owned by the same secret societhey. They both get their money from the same people to be re-elected for the favors. That they have to do

[DryGermanGuy]

Rather, a weird two-party system forces you into political divides.

[DryGermanGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P_01YN9jO8

[Snakeyes7]

Of course. That's why the word nazi and fascist has been thrown around like it is nothing for the past decade, knowing full well the people being labeled such things are not.

I would take this question as a sign of self awareness but given the video, I don't think so.

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't think we know the real numbers on that but the lines are blurred. i'd say the biggest party divide is the middle and growing.

[noohair]

Two competing tribes are easier to control by the Professional Political Overseer Class. If we finally see the overseers for what they are, 2 sides of the same coin, they will finally lose their death grip on the American people…

[Ariesman81]

If the byproduct of antifa is chaos, murder, and rioting... then I am anti antifa.

[goaded]

Good news! It's not.

[Ariesman81]

@goaded

Wish I believed you

[OddBeMe]

Whole fbi wing focused on antifa.
(Checks)
Wait... right wing nationalists.

[Ariesman81]

Your claim is that ANTIFA is comprised of right wing nationalists?

[OddBeMe]

No im saying far right nationalists are law enforcements fear. Not antifa.

[stayorgo]

Of course , they are be careful , is my advice follow... ROMA.
ROMA ARMY , she fights for Men's RIGHTS she will help you

[beefcakebradybatson]

I'll soon launch my brand;hopefully not with me OR among Americans re. labels/brands.

[Anonymous]

Antifa is just a lable that burned Portland to the ground.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I believe so, these days it's all about labels.

[Anonymous]

The problem is Antifa itself (and the things they do), not the label.

[Anonymous]

Only the feeble minded

[Anonymous]

Not for normal people

[ilistengood]

Seems like it to me