Do you know what Reactionary Centrism is?

[goaded]

Reactionary centrist (n) — Someone who says they’re politically neutral, but who usually punches left while sympathizing with the right.

https://www.aaronhuertas.com/we-need-to-talk-about-reactionary-centrists/

[Danzigdawson]

It is indeed really weird that some journalists and pundits still cover current US politics as normal republicans vs. democrats politics.

Neutral is fine at times when most parties more or less revolve around the status quo. Being neutral is impossible when fascism is rising. If one remains proudly neutral right now, he/she is not paying attention.

On top of that is the epidemic of self-professed "free-thinkers" who conform to the good-looking, cynical idea that taking sides is inherently stupid, while being "neutral" (or, at least, make it seem like you are) is systematically smart.

Cynism won't do much for them when a loved one is taken away for suspected anti-trump activities.

[goaded]

Exactly. What's the "neutral" position between "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects," and we can enter and search any property if we pretend we think there's an illegal immigrant in it without "probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"?

[MisterWack]

A lot of The Right is reactionary.

There are students dressed like cats using litterboxes in bathrooms (not true), They’re eating the dogs, they’re eating the cats, they’re eating they’re eating the pets of the people that live there (not true), windmills cause cancer (not true), and they are escaping from insane asylums (not true).

It mainly translates to, “I don’t understand what’s going on, I want someone to tell me its okay to rage, complain, bitch, moan about everything without having to put in real effort to make the whole thing make sense or educate me on what’s actually happening in the real world”.

[goaded]

The problem, in this case, is people pretending to be "centrist" and saying, say, Universal Basic Income and putting people who are legally in the country in concentration camps both have their pros and cons. Universal health care and shooting citizens... Defending the first, second and fourth amendments and ignoring them if they're inconvenient... It's basically bothsiderism.

[MisterWack]

@goaded I know we can’t afford to be neutral when things are happening everyday and we need to be more involved in our Democratic process. I hope 2024 gets people to the polls not just 26 and 28, but every year after to say no to kings and oligarch sympathizers.

[msmissydc]

So not centrism at all?
Like the rest of those: "I am politically neutral, I just love hitler and hate the left".

I guess the main reason for this is, that real centrist conservatives got older. So every single left progressive opinion is considered too left for them and even their old neutral is now a right-wing opinion.

Its not necessarily about left vs right for them but progressiveness is not what they want. They want total standstill where nothing changes.

But yes, the main "I am centrist" are just right wingers who disagree even with conservatist becauxe they are more right wing than them. Thats their "middle ground".

[NathanDavis]

it's all the same BS...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/RJO_1BhBIDA

[goaded]

What, is this the new right wing approach to avoiding reality, post music videos? Pathetic, especially from someone who pretends he can't tell the difference between aggressor and victim if the victim fights back legally.

[NathanDavis]

I'm not from the right... lmao

never been, never will

I've said it many times before... but I will say it again

I don't vote, never voted, never will... neither Left or Right represent my view, never have, never will... I'm not into a bipartisan electoral college

[NathanDavis]

on a sidenote... there are times in which a victim can fight back illegally

but I am sure you're smart enough to figure that, and become the aggressor

[goaded]

Being a reactionary centrist in this environment is indistinguishable from Trump support.

[NathanDavis]

only to willful ignorant...

so, would you say you're a Leftist?

[goaded]

Let's just get this clear, you know that, for example, people who are legally in the US are being locked up 70 to a cell for months on end by Republicans, but say Democrats are the same?

You know that Republicans in Texas gerrymandered their election maps for 2026 explicitly to win 5 more seats for Republicans and Trump, and say that California asking their voters if it's OK for them to gerrymander their election maps for 2026 explicitly to win 5 more seats for Democrats in response is the same?

You know that Trump has appointed RFK Jr. as health secretary, and the country is experiencing massive outbreaks of measles because of low vaccination levels, but say Democrats are the same?

You know that Trump is raking in bribe money hand over fist and openly selling pardons, but say Democrats are the same?

That's willful ignorance.

[NathanDavis]

The Supreme Court allowed both states to do exactly the same thing...

which is to "redraw" the electoral map to give advantage to themselves and take away the voting power from the rivals

both sides just neutralized the individual choice of the people effectively, for the next 10 years or so

both sides of politicians just NEUTRALIZED choice for the people, in order to keep their control

both states... are doing the same exact thing, for the exact same result

[NathanDavis]

[goaded]

"The Supreme Court allowed both states to do exactly the same thing..." They had no choice, once they'd allowed Texas to cheat, not expecting a Democratic state to retaliate. You're also avoiding the obvious point that the side that starts shit like this is worse than the side that responds.

This is how you're a perfect example of Reactionary Centrism, pretending not to see the differences.

In addition to the concentration camps, unprovoked gerrymandering, anti-public-health policies, open bribery and corruption I listed above, Trump is threatening to take over elections in states he lost, withholding funds from Democratic states, refusing to host Democratic governors for a meal, and generally dividing the country. Biden's infrastructure bill, on the other hand, send MORE money to RED states, because they were the ones that needed it most.

All the honest fingers point in exactly one direction. Yours point equally in both.

[NathanDavis]

so... that would make you a "Screw me, but not harder than the Right screws me, Leftist"?

because you sure are the perfect example of that

never willing to see ANY wrong from your side, but to always point out the bad on the other side...

there's another word for that, but I won't say it... lol

[goaded]

You saying "never willing to see ANY wrong from your side" would make you a liar. What did Biden do wrong? He appointed an AG who wasn't willing to go after Trump for his attempt to steal the presidency. He didn't expand the SCOTUS to avoid presidents being given carte blanche to legally sell pardons and have political opponents killed. He supported Israel in Gaza.

Why don't you tell me what Obama or Biden did that was comparable to Trump's Jan 6 attack, concentration camps, unprovoked gerrymandering, anti-public-health policies, open bribery and corruption, threatening to take over elections in states he lost, withholding funds from Democratic states, refusing to host Democratic governors for a meal, and generally dividing the country?

Or do you not know the difference between a mote and a log?

[NathanDavis]

so, basically... as long you get screwed but they use lube first... you're fine with it

[goaded]

Oh, look at that, you're ignoring everything I say in order to avoid answering a question.

Why don't you tell me what Obama or Biden did that was comparable to Trump's Jan 6 attack, concentration camps, unprovoked gerrymandering, anti-public-health policies, open bribery and corruption, threatening to take over elections in states he lost, withholding funds from Democratic states, refusing to host Democratic governors for a meal, and generally dividing the country?

[NathanDavis]

even if I did...

your answer will be the same

" but Biden and Obama did it with lube, and they kissed me after it... but the Republicans just do it harder and in a very mean way"

there's no point to that...

[goaded]

You can't, which is why you won't. You pretend that there's some utopia where nobody ever does anything anybody doesn't like, while purposely ignoring Trump's Jan 6 attack, concentration camps, unprovoked gerrymandering, anti-public-health policies, open bribery and corruption, threatening to take over elections in states he lost, withholding funds from Democratic states, refusing to host Democratic governors for a meal, and generally dividing the country.

You must be so proud of yourself.

[NathanDavis]

lmfao... that's still funny

"unprovoked gerrymandering"

[goaded]

OK, you're clearly not going to answer any reasonable questions and keep being a poster child for bullshit.

[Shiprex]

I think it's a form of cognitive dissonance that modern culture, especially online obsession, can manifest this behaviour.

[CuriousMufuxka]

Oh good god, another way to overcomplicate what really means nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/GHkUCSeTi2I

[goaded]

How do you think a music video adds to the conversation?

[CuriousMufuxka]

It was more interesting than your stupid question. Granted staring at a wall would have qualified..

[goaded]

How do you think a music video and an insults add to the conversation?

[CuriousMufuxka]

What insult? It's a stupid term put in question form.

[goaded]

What's the "neutral" position between "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects," and we can enter and search any property if we pretend we think there's an illegal immigrant in it without "probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"?

[CuriousMufuxka]

I don't give a shit. If you're in a country illegally, time to get the fuck out! Period

[goaded]

And those whose rights are being trampled despite being citizens or in the country legally? Screw them, right?

[CuriousMufuxka]

Now you're just making shit up to try to have some point. "Persuasion attempt failed"

[goaded]

What did I make up?

www.theguardian.com/.../irish-man-seamus-culleton-ice-detention
nymag.com/.../...d-deported-ice-trump-updates.html

[CuriousMufuxka]

Ha! I trust the Onion more than the Guardian.

[goaded]

So an Irishman who'd been living in the country for decades and just about to finish the process of becoming a citizen wasn't locked up 70 to a cell for five months?

Have you heard of "Ad hominem"?

[CuriousMufuxka]

It's still a silly concept no matter what you try to shoehorn in to back up your initial bullshit!

[beefcakebradybatson]

Most of the DUMBOCRATIC Party, though that may change should Democratic Socialist Gotham City Mayor Zohran Mamdani turn around his city.

[AngryCarl3]

We just need more political labels. That will solve everything.

[goaded]

LOL.