We're crossing the line, more than what it should be, but at the same time, we want it to stay the same. Does that describe civilizations to you?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

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credits to Bklynbadboy12 for this aphorism

[msc545]

It may make sense to you, but I'm so sorry it does not make sense to me at all. Could you please explain what it is you're trying to say here?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

NathanDavis chose an interpretation you can read about in this very page, mine is different but I recommend his, as a first shot !

[msc545]

Well I'm sure Nathan had a point but quite honestly it eludes me

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I viewed it as "civilization's fate explained by human nature"

[msc545]

Okay, I'm just going to sort of give up on this one.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@msc545 Don't quit yet, maybe you'll find something with my interpretation, as is:

"crossing the line, more than what it should be" = pushing forward with science, soft and hard ones, with subversive arts as well, challenging our current views, crossing the figurative line of the world as we know it.

"we want it to stay the same" = we want status quo, preserving us from anguish of the future, from changes that could occur, from anything that endangers current stability of our minds & mores, as individuals and societies.

[msc545]

Crossing the line implies some sort of penalty for doing so, which you have not described.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Hmmm the penalty would be the loss of status quo in this frame

[msc545]

What is the definition of status quo?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I already talked about statu quo, dear reader

"we want it to stay the same" = we want status quo, preserving us from anguish of the future, from changes that could occur, from anything that endangers current stability of our minds & mores, as individuals and societies.

Which is another way to talk about societally conservative positions, that is statu quo, opposing to changes

[NathanDavis]

there... I feel a bit better now

[NathanDavis]

so... Sustainability

I think that, THAT... was a very short-lived concept and idea, so this is about idealization as well

you see, yes... agriculture was perhaps, the birth of civilizations, but also the birth of politics, marketing and "adaptation"

pretty sure the leaders promised sustainability to their people... "we keep these lines, we stay on these lines, everything within these lines IS OURS"

and then, the lines could just not stop, moving... right?

sustainability became... "conquerability"

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

... and then, the lines could just not stop, moving.

[NathanDavis]

I'm looking at you... France...

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

[NathanDavis]

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

lololol

[queenofcardio]

Yeah, kinda. The cost of living is really high now, and even though we can still grow our own vegetables etc. Life just feels more complicated now. I think back then people didn't need much to get by and or they figured out how to manage with whatever they had.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

Life became EXTREMELY complex since rural exodus, it gradually made us run, check, look up and manage thousands of micro-steps to live in modernity. Cognitively, it's impressive !

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

And I didn't start talking about the sheer number of social rules we integrate during our own development. Each time you're talking to me, you use thousands of parameters to assess and combine, in real time, memories you have of previous interactions, and deductions, to figure out a simple line typed in response to something I said

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

... and in most cases, it works, you manage to say the right thing, at the right time, in the right context and to the right person. Out of all the wrong things you could say, you still manage to do it right.

You're a damn machine, QoC ! 😝

[queenofcardio]

Umm, thanks 😂

[Anonymous]

Worth pointing out that at the start of civilisation north African, asia minor and the middle east was a much greener place not desert.

[Bklynbadboy12]

Yes it does and it really explains a lot especially when you look at the way things are now a days

[MrChinaski]

Wha?

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

t-t-t

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@MrChinaski it's in the making, please look up both msc45 and NathanDavis respective threads, you should get fat pieces of where this is going, philosophically 😌

[msc545]

Thank you. It makes me feel a lot better knowing I'm not the only person who doesn't understand what the hell this is about.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

@msc545 To be fair, it's speculative action here lol, different people relate differently

[msc545]

I kind of like to know what I'm reading.